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Posted by grrrilla on May 8, 2000, at 17:52:43
Through the years I have off and on been described as autistic-like or residual high functioning childhood autism,etc. Since childhood I have had problems with perspective which are distinctive but a little hard to describe. When I was a child I felt like I was falling off the curve of the earth or floor or whatever. I used to say I couldn't tell where my edges were. I said I couldn't make eye contact with people because I was taller (often but not always true) and the perspective was off. Something is just out of focus in a spatial kind of way. I walked with my hands on the walls and was very sensitive to changes in physical surroundings, etc.
But anyhow years later I tried Parnate for severe social phobia and depression. I tried it twice and both times for about the first 5 days things shifted and there I was walking in the same plane as everyone else!
It didn't last but it was so distinctive and I wonder if anybody knows why this happens and how it could be made to happen consistently. I thought since it just lasted few days each time it might be from the amphetamine-like stuff (excuse the technical terms). Ritalin doesn't do anything like that. I've never tried other stimulants. My doctor said it sounded sort of like LSD (never tried that either).
Thanks
PS I'm not willing to take anti-psychotics and the mention of them tends to make me grouchy {:0)
Posted by Noa on May 8, 2000, at 17:59:15
In reply to Perspective Parnate LSD ???, posted by grrrilla on May 8, 2000, at 17:52:43
That is so fascinating. Did the Parnate effect only last a few days and then go away? Do you experience this sense of yourself in space as uncomfortable? Have you ever been evaluated by a neurologist?
Posted by Cam W. on May 8, 2000, at 18:48:22
In reply to Re: Perceptual Phenomenon, posted by Noa on May 8, 2000, at 17:59:15
grrrilla - What you are describing almost sounds like a problem with your sense of vision or something with your vestibular apparatus (the middle ear structure that helps you to determine your orientation in space. Do you have trouble with dizziness, at times? Noa is right, this might be a job for a neurologist. - Cam
Posted by grrrilla on May 8, 2000, at 20:04:00
In reply to Re: Perceptual Phenomenon, posted by Noa on May 8, 2000, at 17:59:15
> That is so fascinating. Did the Parnate effect only last a few days and then go away? Do you experience this sense of yourself in space as uncomfortable? Have you ever been evaluated by a neurologist?
The Parnate effect lasted about 5 days each time and then stopped. It is uncomfortable in an anxious kind of way. The difference on those few days of Parnate was dramatic. I don't get dizzy, it's more like being unable to tell where things are in space. It's very subtle, if it hadn't stopped for a while I wouldn't be so sure there was another way to percieve things.
I think I've been seen by a neurologist before but I don't remember much about it, I might try to get another consult. Thanks again.
Posted by grrrilla on May 9, 2000, at 10:33:35
In reply to Re: Thanks Noa and Cam, posted by grrrilla on May 8, 2000, at 20:04:00
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> The Parnate effect lasted about 5 days each time and then stopped. It is uncomfortable in an anxious kind of way. The difference on those few days of Parnate was dramatic. I don't get dizzy, it's more like being unable to tell where things are in space. It's very subtle, if it hadn't stopped for a while I wouldn't be so sure there was another way to percieve things.
> I think I've been seen by a neurologist before but I don't remember much about it, I might try to get another consult. Thanks again.
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Second thoughts time. I just came back from the store and saw some man with real neurological problems and I don't think I want to go to a neurologist. It's just not that big a deal. I don't bump into things or anything. It's probably just anxiety or being too aware of things. I don't think I'm autistic or anything either-I only meant that I had looked like that from the outside sometimes.This is a VERY old joke;
Neurologists know everything about the brain but can't do anything about it.
Neurosurgeons don't know anything about the brain but they can do something about it.
Psychiatrists don't know anything about the brain and can't do anything about it.So I guess I'll just stick with trial and error for now. I do wonder if it would feel the same initially if I kept starting and stopping the Parnate and how long I would have to wait between episodes of taking Parnate to get the initial effect again.
And I'm a teensy bit disappointed that no old hippies showed up to recommend I try some therapeutic LSD. {:0)
Posted by Elizabeth on May 10, 2000, at 23:27:47
In reply to Re: 2nd thoughts, posted by grrrilla on May 9, 2000, at 10:33:35
> And I'm a teensy bit disappointed that no old hippies showed up to recommend I try some therapeutic LSD. {:0)
I'm not an old hippie, but LSD won't do much if you take it while you're taking Parnate! :)
Posted by Cindy W on May 10, 2000, at 23:40:30
In reply to Re: 2nd thoughts, posted by Elizabeth on May 10, 2000, at 23:27:47
> > And I'm a teensy bit disappointed that no old hippies showed up to recommend I try some therapeutic LSD. {:0)
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> I'm not an old hippie, but LSD won't do much if you take it while you're taking Parnate! :)grrrilla, I'm tempted to go to New Mexico and beg to be in a study of people with OCD using psilocybin for treatment! ;)
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