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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Phil on May 6, 2000, at 15:52:02
bob...Did you switch to Desipramine? How ya doing?
Posted by grrrilla on May 6, 2000, at 17:43:39
In reply to bobless, posted by Phil on May 6, 2000, at 15:52:02
> bob...Did you switch to Desipramine? How ya doing?
The translator translates bob as sacudida in spanish but then it translates sacudida back as shock. Is this some sort of secret message?
Posted by grrrilla on May 6, 2000, at 20:22:45
In reply to Re: bobless in babbleland, posted by grrrilla on May 6, 2000, at 17:43:39
> > bob...Did you switch to Desipramine? How ya doing?
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> The translator translates bob as sacudida in spanish but then it translates sacudida back as shock. Is this some sort of secret message?NEVERMIND
Posted by Noa on May 7, 2000, at 13:38:32
In reply to Re: Ignore previous post please, posted by grrrilla on May 6, 2000, at 20:22:45
grr, that is funny, tho. It makes me want to experiment with the translator.
Posted by bob on May 7, 2000, at 13:46:59
In reply to Re: Ignore previous post please, posted by grrrilla on May 6, 2000, at 20:22:45
> > > bob...Did you switch to Desipramine? How ya doing?
Overworked, too little sleep. The four web design courses I've been teaching weekends and evenings for a NYC university have finally ended, tho, so I may get some rest this month (next round begins in June).
Yep -- I made the switch to the desipramine. Too low a dose. I see my pdoc Monday (5-8), so that should be remedied.
Thanks for asking. I guess after my three-month drop-out a while back my recent quietness may be of some concern, but I'd just like to reassure my friends out there it's got far more to do with work and brain surgery than with my mood.
cheers,
boboh ... not MY brain surgery, tho at times I'd like to trade it in for a newer model. My computer's brain surgery. It's been suffering from a severe case of CUF (cascading upgrade failure ... I've been trying to find some way to change the name of that syndrome so I can reverse the acronym).
[for those technically minded and interested, I'm starting off with a Mac-clone that is basically a Performa 6400/200MHz, 48MB RAM, 4gig internal SCSI and 2gig internal IDE hard drives.]
First I get a cable modem. Then I need an ethernet card to deal with it. Then my CPU starts choking on the 2MB downstream bandwidth, so I go for a processor upgrade (a Sonnet Tech G3/L2 at 250MHz + 512k backside cache). Then, the whole thing's as stable as a house of cards in a tornado, so I install MacOS 9 over 8.1. During the installation process, it crashes and takes out my 4gig internal HD ... which subsequently interferes with any attempt to start-up from the OS9 or my Norton CD ... it would prevent the desktop from loading. At this point, I thought I had lost the patient and was ready to head to the store, Amex in hand, dreams of a G4 in mind, when I came up with an open case surgery procedure -- unplugging the drive's power cable until after the whole system had booted, pluging it back in, then formatting the drive. The procedure was a success, but now the long, slow healing (reloading of all my software) process has begun. To top that off, OS9 has only marginally improved the stability, so I'm pumping up the RAM as high as it'll go (being a Umax C600 and how f*ck*d it's motherboard design is, that's 80MB tops ... *if* I'm lucky and these DIMMs actually work) and considering a PCI video card. Not that I have the time (or reflexes or purchasing power after all of this hardware expense) to play any of these new 3D-enhanced games, but it'd sure help my graphics design work plus I'm hoping it'll take some of the processing heat off the built-in video support (which s*cks) as well as the new CPU and RAM.
The house of cards keeps growing .... ;^)
Posted by Cam W. on May 7, 2000, at 13:57:18
In reply to I've always wanted to be shocking, posted by bob on May 7, 2000, at 13:46:59
bob - I lost you at the bakery, was it a left or right turn? The only thing I understood was OS-9. The propeller-heads at work told me to wait for the OS-10 version. The rest of the gobbledy-gook, I will not take as an excuse for not being addicted to posting. - CamP.S. - Do miss your wit, though. - C.
Posted by Noa on May 7, 2000, at 14:10:56
In reply to Re: Ignore previous post please, posted by Noa on May 7, 2000, at 13:38:32
Just testing to see what kind of goofy text appears when translated into another language and back again.Testing Juste for in Latraduction voirqueltexte goofy returns. (Eng-French-Eng)
As soon as examinee in order to see that text kind goofy appears once still translate in other language and posterior part. (Eng-Ital-Eng)
Even one checking, in order to see, what type goofy of the text appears, if it is translated again into another language and into rear side. (Eng-Ger-Eng)
But testing to see that type of the text goofy appears when translated in one another language and has broken back another time. (Eng-Port-Eng)
Hardly proving to see it appears what class of text goofy to when it is translated another language and posteriora part again. (Eng-Span-Eng)
As soon as the examinee to see in that once still goofy appears good of the text translates the other language and later part. (Eng-Ital-Eng-Span-Eng)
As soon as the candidate in order to see that goofy pleasant texts always appears once will translate in the other language and posterior part. (Eng-Ital-Eng-French-Eng)
Posted by Phil on May 7, 2000, at 14:48:47
In reply to bob - Huh?, posted by Cam W. on May 7, 2000, at 13:57:18
Yeah Bob, I wasn't worried about your mental health. I've got my hands full with mine. I just missed those lines you can spew out like 'reversing the acronym'. LOL
Posted by tina on May 7, 2000, at 16:39:44
In reply to Re: Just having fun, posted by Noa on May 7, 2000, at 14:10:56
Holy cats Noa---What the Heck WAS that??????>
> Just testing to see what kind of goofy text appears when translated into another language and back again.
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> Testing Juste for in Latraduction voirqueltexte goofy returns. (Eng-French-Eng)
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> As soon as examinee in order to see that text kind goofy appears once still translate in other language and posterior part. (Eng-Ital-Eng)
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> Even one checking, in order to see, what type goofy of the text appears, if it is translated again into another language and into rear side. (Eng-Ger-Eng)
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> But testing to see that type of the text goofy appears when translated in one another language and has broken back another time. (Eng-Port-Eng)
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> Hardly proving to see it appears what class of text goofy to when it is translated another language and posteriora part again. (Eng-Span-Eng)
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> As soon as the examinee to see in that once still goofy appears good of the text translates the other language and later part. (Eng-Ital-Eng-Span-Eng)
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> As soon as the candidate in order to see that goofy pleasant texts always appears once will translate in the other language and posterior part. (Eng-Ital-Eng-French-Eng)
Posted by medlib on May 7, 2000, at 21:00:04
In reply to I've always wanted to be shocking, posted by bob on May 7, 2000, at 13:46:59
bob
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>My computer's ... been suffering from a severe case of CUF (cascading upgrade failure ... I've been trying to find some way to change the name of that syndrome so I can reverse the acronym).
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> [for those technically minded and interested, I'm starting off with a Mac-clone that is basically a Performa 6400/200MHz, 48MB RAM, 4gig internal SCSI and 2gig internal IDE hard drives.]
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> First I get a cable modem. Then I need an ethernet card to deal with it. Then my CPU starts choking on the 2MB downstream bandwidth, so I go for a processor upgrade (a Sonnet Tech G3/L2 at 250MHz + 512k backside cache). Then, the whole thing's as stable as a house of cards in a tornado, so I install MacOS 9 over 8.1. During the installation process, it crashes and takes out my 4gig internal HD ... which subsequently interferes with any attempt to start-up from the OS9 or my Norton CD ... it would prevent the desktop from loading. At this point, I thought I had lost the patient and was ready to head to the store, Amex in hand, dreams of a G4 in mind, when I came up with an open case surgery procedure -- unplugging the drive's power cable until after the whole system had booted, pluging it back in, then formatting the drive. The procedure was a success, but now the long, slow healing (reloading of all my software) process has begun. To top that off, OS9 has only marginally improved the stability, so I'm pumping up the RAM as high as it'll go (being a Umax C600 and how f*ck*d it's motherboard design is, that's 80MB tops ... *if* I'm lucky and these DIMMs actually work) and considering a PCI video card. Not that I have the time (or reflexes or purchasing power after all of this hardware expense) to play any of these new 3D-enhanced games, but it'd sure help my graphics design work plus I'm hoping it'll take some of the processing heat off the built-in video support (which s*cks) as well as the new CPU and RAM.
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> The house of cards keeps growing .... ;^)
---------------------------Bob---Just bemused by your struggles to resuscitate your moribund Mac--mania or masochism?
Curious about why you installed OS9 on top of 8.1, or is that the Mac way? Life-threatening functions were "locked out" on the 20-some-odd networked Macs I helped keep running at work, so I never upgraded a Mac OS, just updated browsers and installed new software and external hardware. On PCs, I *always* removed the old version before installing an upgrade of *anything*--to forestall instability. Whenever I'm hit by the computer "remodeling" bug, I try to keep in mind that each new hardware component added/replaced increases compatibility problems--geometrically, if not exponentially!
Are you going to be working on your/Dr. Bob's project from your home computer this summer? I'm trying to visualize you copying and pasting from Babble archives on IE to your database in atlas.ti running through Virtual PC on an unstable OS--except I keep getting the giggles. Oh, but maybe there's an html version out by now; the only one I've seen was DOS-based, I think. Are you sure you don't want to pony up for a G4? Lots o' luck! (Is that what LOL means?--I'M not really up on all the chat acronyms.)Anyway, hope both your "surgery" and desip. increase are successful; let us know if the patient(s) lived. Happy coding and annotating!
Best wishes--medlib
(BTW,I've always considered IE for Macs to be Bill Gates' vengance against Steve Jobs--bet B. gets a charge out of every embedded bug.) Speaking of bugs, this is my first post post registration--guess I'm about to find out the current status of Dr. Bob's remodeling. I wonder if it will double post?
Posted by bob on May 8, 2000, at 23:17:04
In reply to Re: Metamorphing a Mac?, posted by medlib on May 7, 2000, at 21:00:04
Cam:
You may want to upgrade to OS9. It's going to be the last MacOS for those of us without a G4 ... apparently the G4 with the more modern motherboard as well -- not those 350's with the old G3 (hah! "old" G3!) design. I actually am enjoying it far more than I thought I would, given all the dire warnings the Mac-erati issued upon its arrival.If you need something a bit more modern than what you have but want something a bit less taxing than 9 may be on your hardware, check out the back of a MacAddict or MacWorld. Some of the vendors back there are selling MacOS 8.6 dirt cheap ($30). Get it before it's gone.
Noa:
Waaaaaaaay too funny!! Reminds me of something that must be archived somewhere on the web. Back in the earliest days of the very first PDA with handwriting recognition -- the Newton 100 Messagepad -- someone came up with the idea of writing in the poem "Jabberwocky" and letting the recognition software + Newton dictionary, well, "recognize" it. "Jabberwocky" became "Tablespoons". Only other thing I can remember (other than it being an absolute scream, especially since I knew the lead programmer for the handwriting recognition project!) is:"Oh fractious day! Cartoon! Cathay!
He chortled in his joy"Hmmm ... considering the nonsense words in the original, I guess that WAS a pretty good translation.
medlib:
Thanks for mentioning your post -- I would have missed all of this!!LOL -- laugh out loud
ROTFL -- rolling on the floor laughing
FTF or F2F -- face to face (as opposed to online)
IM(H)O -- in my (humble) opinionJust a few ... then there's Babbleland's own YMMV.
> Just bemused by your struggles to resuscitate your moribund Mac--mania or masochism?
Well, if you read my post up in the "issues" thread, you'd think masochism. But it's love for a dying friend ... doing anything to extend its life. Hell, I'd still be working on my "Fat Mac" if I could!
So, maybe "delusional" would be a better descriptor.
And now, more Technobabble on Psycho-Babble:
> Curious about why you installed OS9 on top of 8.1, or is that the Mac way? ... On PCs, I *always* removed the old version before installing an upgrade of *anything*--to forestall instability.But you can still boot a PC from a floppy and still have room on the disk for CD drivers plus HD formatting and repair utilities. Aren't you glad Gates was lying when he said they removed all the DOS code from Windows?
Of course, we Mac folk tend to eschew such minimal media as floppy disks in favor of DVD-RAMs and such (... yeah, right!).
Yeah, that's the Mac way. Installing the new system removes the old system in the process. There's also the option of a "clean" install that pulls out all the third-party system extensions and such into a separate folder since those little snippets of code are the things that destabilize a Mac more often than not, particularly when old extensions meet a new OS.
> Are you going to be working on your/Dr. Bob's project from your home computer this summer?
Well, I still need to work out the details with Dr. Bob on that -- way behind in my email. Before any work begins, it's gotta get approved by his institutional review board (since I'm "freelancing" on this one and don't have an IRB to report to) ... among other things. But, for those interested in the analysis of hypertext, the tool I would use IF this gets off the ground is a program called Palimpsest by Western Civilization (www.westciv.com). All of the research tools I've seen that try to use hypertext to analyze any other sort of text have been rather disappointing. I know the programmer for Palimpsest and have a great deal of respect for his work (I use a CSS editor of his) as well as his knowledge of and approach to this aspect of computing. Plus, Palimpsest was written to deal with hypertext, as opposed to being a program that tries to analyze texts through a hypertext interface. I don't know if I'm being too subtle with the distinction, but I personally find it a compelling difference.
I also think that the fact he named this software Palimpsest (look it up) shows the depth of his grasp of using hypertext to deal with hypertext.
> Anyway, hope both your "surgery" and desip. increase are successful; let us know if the patient(s) lived. Happy coding and annotating!
Just got my June MacAddict in the mail today -- the superduper How-To issue -- and had the chance to read it on the commute to my pdoc's.
And had one of those Homer Simpson "DOH!" moments....
What I had failed to do in all of my surgeries was kind of the technical equivalent of having to tie off the carotid to perform some delicate procedure and then FORGETTING to untie it ... no wonder my Mac was having seizures!!
I don't know about PCs, but Macs have a hardware reset button on their motherboards. It completely erases all the hardware parameter information from the Mac's memory, forcing it to re-examine what components it has instead of plodding along in blissful ignorance of any changes. This is a particularly important thing to do when you upgrade something major, such as an L2 cache card or, say, your CPU.
DOH!
Well, my RAM also arrived today, so I got to change two variables in my experiment at once. So far, I've been up and running with no program or system crashes in over four hours -- when yesterday I was averaging 2 of either an hour or so. So, even though I cannot precisely determine the cause I my Mac's new-found stability, the patient seems to be resting comfortably and seizure-free.
> (BTW,I've always considered IE for Macs to be Bill Gates' vengance against Steve Jobs--bet B. gets a charge out of every embedded bug....
Those aren't bugs, those are features.
Besides, when Gates spent $150M on Apple stock -- just as Jobs returned as iCEO -- the share price was about $30 per. Recently, it's been over $100 per and posting even higher than MS's stock. ;^)
The other (sad but true) fact is that Mac IE 4.5 is the most standards-compliant browser around of any of the Netscape or Microsoft releases (from what I've heard, Opera may be the best out there ... and rumor has it coming to the Mac soon!), particularly when it comes to rendering Style Sheets. Mac IE 5 has some nice tweaks, but it actually takes some steps backwards wrt standards compliance. Both kick the tar out of Netscape (sorry, Dr. Bob, but its true -- Netscape 4.x has the wrong DOM and it can't handle much of CSS1, let alone CSS2) ... but that should change quickly when Netscape 6 is released.
*IF*, that is, you can meet the hardware requirements to run Netscape 6 ....
I took pictures of the brain surgery -- should have them online sometime before This Old Mac actually kicks the bucket.cheers,
bob
Posted by Cam W. on May 9, 2000, at 0:15:43
In reply to Patient updates, patience updates, etc., posted by bob on May 8, 2000, at 23:17:04
bob - I have OS 8.5. Is that enough? I have a second generation I-Mac with expanded memory (or so they tell me). I can print any journal article available so far. That's basically all I want it for. I don't need or want live action porn (or anything live action for that matter).The propeller-head at work did say I would be able to use OS 10 when it comes out.
Would upgrading to OS-8.6 or OS-9 be of any benefit to me. To me my computer is a glorified typewriter with Index Medicus capabilities. Oh, and I can also save on stamps with e-mail, although I send few of those.
Basically, would OS-8.6 or OS-9 help me give better information to people on this board. If so, I'll buy it.
Just curious - Cam
Posted by jane on May 9, 2000, at 15:59:38
In reply to bob - My Mac still plays solitaire - CPU stuff, posted by Cam W. on May 9, 2000, at 0:15:43
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> Just curious - Cam
Cam - just curious - are you an "old" computer person? because of your use of termoinology 'CPU' vs 'PC' -jane
Posted by Greg on May 9, 2000, at 16:49:17
In reply to Re: - CPU stuff-Cam W, posted by jane on May 9, 2000, at 15:59:38
The Future of Macintosh
The year 2004
In August 2004 Microsoft is faced with a choice: write for the Mac or die. Macs are now 90% of the world's home computers, with PCs
being put to more appropriate uses such as bird feeders, doorstops, and even to Apple for a unique recycling program that breaks down
PCs to their basic materials (plastic, metal, etc.) and reconstitutes them as Macs. Bill Gates, who is beginning to look like Hitler in 1945
(a besieged dictator praying for a miracle to resurrect his trashed empire), still has too big an ego to submit to the superiority of Mac and
refuses to go to the programs that will save his company. As a result, Microsoft files for bankruptcy and has all their assets bought by
Apple, who turns Microsoft's old headquarters into a big museum where startled schoolkids can experience what their parents had to go
through with Windoze PCs.What happened? Well, first off, once everybody was connected to the internet, they suddenly discovered that there didn't HAVE to be a
single standard for the world's computers. Free from the lies of Microsoft, everybody tried out different OS's until they all agreed that
Mac had been best all along. After the masses came to that realization, they all dumped PCs for Macs with amazing speed. One
drawback to this was in Silicon Valley, where the Cupertino city council suddenly had to figure out where the city ended and Apple
began. They still hadn't figured it out by the time of Microsoft's bankruptcy.Yeah, as if.....
Greg
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> > Just curious - Cam
> Cam - just curious - are you an "old" computer person? because of your use of termoinology 'CPU' vs 'PC' -jane
Posted by bob on May 9, 2000, at 17:02:07
In reply to bob - My Mac still plays solitaire - CPU stuff, posted by Cam W. on May 9, 2000, at 0:15:43
> bob - I have OS 8.5. Is that enough?
From what I understand, 8.6 is considerably more stable than 8.5. At the least, you should check out Apple's website for any firmware updates. Just went there myself and it looks like 8.6 is a free update to 8.5 (at that level of an increment -- +.1 -- it had better be!). Go to www.apple.com, click on the Support tab, then rollover the software pop-up -- you'll see a link for 8.6 there.
> The propeller-head at work did say I would be able to use OS 10 when it comes out.
Well, who knows? Unless they come out with a G4 iMac on its release, OS10 would be excluding a considerable portion of Apple's base.
Then again, to crank the most modern OS possible out of this, they may target it for the most modern hardware. Apple's already kissed floppies, ADB, SCSI, and serial ports goodbye in the last few years. It may simply make more long-term sense not to make OS 10 backwards-compatible at all.
> Would upgrading to OS-8.6 or OS-9 be of any benefit to me. To me my computer is a glorified typewriter with Index Medicus capabilities.
Hmmm ... that means you must have something resembling a life. Tsk, tsk, tsk ... that's bad, Cam, very bad. Probably has something to do with being Canadian, you know. See, a friend of mine brought me this T-Shirt from Montreal that said: "La vie est simple. Manger. Dormir. Naviguer sur Internet." See, the problem with that is that Quebecois webmonkeys apparently SLEEP. Way too laid back. =^P
OS9 probably ain't worth the money since you already have 8.5. It has some neat internet features in Sherlock 2 and how it handles Appleshare volumes over TCP/IP connections, then there's all the voice command stuff and the Keychain, but the latter aren't necessary for you and the former are really only worthwhile with a broadband connection, IMO. (AppleTalk was slow enough ... imagine sharing files via a modem -- no, wait. Don't. We're all damaged enough around here. ;^)
cheers,
bob
Posted by stjames on May 9, 2000, at 17:37:47
In reply to Re: bob - My Mac still plays solitaire - CPU stuff, posted by bob on May 9, 2000, at 17:02:07
> > bob - I have OS 8.5. Is that enough?
>
> From what I understand, 8.6 is considerably more stable than 8.5. At the least, you should check out Apple's website for any firmware updates.James here....
I predict we will all move to Linux (which runs on mac's, too) A majority of the net runs on Xinux
(Unix, Linux, ect) and has for some time. Win 9X and 2000 still is not a stable OS. Linux/Unix is very stable; there are wed servers on line that have not been rebooted for 10 years.james
james
Posted by bob on May 9, 2000, at 22:47:39
In reply to Re: bob - Move to Linux, posted by stjames on May 9, 2000, at 17:37:47
> James here....
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> I predict we will all move to Linux (which runs on mac's, too) A majority of the net runs on Xinux...Since Mac OS X's core is NeXTStep is Unix, the X in OS X might as well be for Xinux than for 10.
A NYC computer newszine columnist recently wrote about how hundreds of thousands of CD-ROMs of Linux have been sold but he doesn't know a single person who owns one. Well, he's a Windows.X hack anyway. All the same, now that my school district finally has a network in place I've been trying to convince my fellow computer teachers that we need to take one of our rebuilt machines (out of all the castaways that "broke" in classrooms), install Linux, and give the school a server where the teachers and students could have their own file directories, etc. The biggest impediment, though, is not the lack of interest of my colleagues but the complete buttheadedness of the yokels running the IT department for the school system.
[sigh]
bob
Posted by Cam W. on May 9, 2000, at 23:06:05
In reply to Re: - CPU stuff-Cam W, posted by jane on May 9, 2000, at 15:59:38
> >
> > Just curious - Cam
> Cam - just curious - are you an "old" computer person? because of your use of termoinology 'CPU' vs 'PC' -janeJane - I typed CPU because I was too lazy to type computer. When I was in University the first PCs were just coming out and we had one in the lab I worked in (story in itself). I had a computer major in the rooms to each side of me in residence. They told me not to worry about how a computer works, let them do that and they would make it easy for me to use. I'm still waiting. I think computers have something to do with zeros and ones, but I could be wrong (and I don't want to know). All I need is how to turn it on and how to dump stuff I don't want (eg AOL free trials that come with ALL software).
bob - I will try to download OS 8.6 this weekend (I need frustration in my life). I've learned that with downloading things like Sparkle and Netscape 7.whatever, that it helps to read the instructions (CPU...er, computer doesn't freeze as much).
Thanks for all the help, guys - Cam
Posted by bob on May 10, 2000, at 0:35:19
In reply to Re: - CPU stuff-to jane and bob, posted by Cam W. on May 9, 2000, at 23:06:05
> bob - I will try to download OS 8.6 this weekend (I need frustration in my life). I've learned that with downloading things like Sparkle and Netscape 7.whatever, that it helps to read the instructions (CPU...er, computer doesn't freeze as much).
"Sparkle"?! It's *still* around?! HAH! That reminds me of the Good Ol' Days of the Web, back in early 1995 or so ... ;^)
If it helps, Cam, the manual that came with my Trek bike had this quote up front:
"When all else fails, it's too late to read the manual."cheers,
bob
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