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Posted by Noa on April 22, 2000, at 15:54:36
I was leafing through a magazine, ok, I admit it, it was Martha Stewart Living, here at the library, and I came across an add for Anipryl, which is selegeline hydrochloride for dogs. Is this the same as the selegeline for humans?
Posted by Brandon on April 22, 2000, at 16:41:56
In reply to Anipryl, posted by Noa on April 22, 2000, at 15:54:36
> I was leafing through a magazine, ok, I admit it, it was Martha Stewart Living, here at the library, and I came across an add for Anipryl, which is selegeline hydrochloride for dogs. Is this the same as the selegeline for humans?
Yup, Used for CDD. Officially known as Canine Cognitive Dysfunction. :)
Posted by MA on April 22, 2000, at 20:28:24
In reply to Anipryl, posted by Noa on April 22, 2000, at 15:54:36
Our dog was on Anipryl for a year or two and I asked the vet if it was the same drug that my father was prescribed for Parkinson's diseas, Eldypryl, and she said yes.
So we aren't all that different from our canine companions. The reason I asked the vet was that the cost of the med for the dog was $100/month and I wanted to substitute the human drug although the dosages did not compare very well.
MA
Posted by Chris A. on April 22, 2000, at 23:00:37
In reply to Re: Anipryl, posted by MA on April 22, 2000, at 20:28:24
That makes me feel like a real dog now.
Posted by KarenB on April 22, 2000, at 23:43:20
In reply to Re: Anipryl, posted by Chris A. on April 22, 2000, at 23:00:37
> That makes me feel like a real dog now.
Chris,
At least you haven't lost your sense of humor, right?
About this "Canine Cognitive Dysfunction," I think I had an Irish Setter that may have suffered from that.
Hey, have you ever noticed how all dogs walk in a circle several times before lying down? Could this be OCD?
Goodnight. I'm tired and getting punchy.
Karen
Posted by Chris A. on April 23, 2000, at 0:34:19
In reply to Re: Anipryl, posted by KarenB on April 22, 2000, at 23:43:20
Karen,
I'm glad you're feeling punchy. Actually, I think my self-esteem issues were speaking up. I'm leaving this round of selegline in the bottle at least until we eat that ham my husband picked up today (no, it's not the right brand). It would be nice not to have to start it again at all.Happy zzzzzzzzzzzzz,
Chris A.
Posted by kazoo on April 23, 2000, at 0:58:32
In reply to Re: Anipryl, posted by KarenB on April 22, 2000, at 23:43:20
> About this "Canine Cognitive Dysfunction," I think I had an Irish Setter that may have suffered from that.
>
> Hey, have you ever noticed how all dogs walk in a circle several times before lying down? Could this be OCD?^^^^^^^^^^^^
This dog behavior of circling before laying down is a throw-back to their wolf origins (dogs are essentially refined,
domesticated wolves). They do that to make a bed for themselves; i.e., to stomp down the area for sleeping. It's no
big mystery.Now, re. CCD: good grief, that *is* a mystery! I think I'm going to barf.
Greetings to Karen.
kazoo (arf, arf)
Posted by JohnL on April 23, 2000, at 4:45:31
In reply to Anipryl, posted by Noa on April 22, 2000, at 15:54:36
> I was leafing through a magazine, ok, I admit it, it was Martha Stewart Living, here at the library, and I came across an add for Anipryl, which is selegeline hydrochloride for dogs. Is this the same as the selegeline for humans?
Forget it Noa! :-) LOL. Dump anything that has to do with antidepressant. That includes Deprenyl. You can always come back to these time-consuming things later if need be. For now, you need the potential for FAST improvement. Once again, I mention comparing all the stimulants and several antipsychotics. Why? If they are to work, they will do so FAST. Since other classes haven't been working all that well, the odds are in your favor that these may. Please please please. I would LOVE to be able to say "I told ya so". But I won't. :-) Just do it! Kick that doctor into gear!
One thing I've neglected to say in all my previous posts on this topic is that during these trials it may be a good idea to lower the doses of Effexor and Serzone first. In a perfect world we would stop them completely first, as other posters have suggested. But I'm very aware that is much easier said than done. So we'll just have to do the best with the situation we have.
Let's say for example you've tried all the stimulants I mentioned and they were no good (I doubt that will be the result though). But just for the sake of example. So then you move on to the antipsychotics. You discover after two days on Zyprexa you are feeling better than you have in a long time. After a week you are very pleased, EXCEPT the combined sedation of Serzone and Zyprexa is just too much to bear. At that point, you would know Zyprexa is the one credited for the good response, so you could very likely taper off the Serzone at that point. I really think though you may find one of the other NE stimulants will work nicely. If not, antipsychotics next.
JohnL
Posted by KarenB on April 24, 2000, at 0:10:30
In reply to Re: Anipryl, posted by kazoo on April 23, 2000, at 0:58:32
> > About this "Canine Cognitive Dysfunction," I think I had an Irish Setter that may have suffered from that.
> >
> > Hey, have you ever noticed how all dogs walk in a circle several times before lying down? Could this be OCD?
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> This dog behavior of circling before laying down is a throw-back to their wolf origins (dogs are essentially refined,
> domesticated wolves). They do that to make a bed for themselves; i.e., to stomp down the area for sleeping. It's no
> big mystery.
>
> Now, re. CCD: good grief, that *is* a mystery! I think I'm going to barf.
>
> Greetings to Karen.
>
> kazoo (arf, arf)I thought ALL canines were cognitively dysfunctional. And by the way, that "wolf origin," stomping, bed-making deal is just a theory. OCD is mine. Go ahead, prove me wrong. For that matter, I propose that OCD is hereditary in all canines. What do you think of that?
Greetings to kazoo!
Karen (woof woof)
Posted by saint james on April 25, 2000, at 13:16:09
In reply to Re: Anipryl, posted by KarenB on April 22, 2000, at 23:43:20
> > That makes me feel like a real dog now.
>>
> Hey, have you ever noticed how all dogs walk in a circle several times before lying down? Could this be OCD?
>
> Goodnight. I'm tired and getting punchy.
>
> KarenJames here....
No it is not OCD it is a common trait every dog has.
j
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