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Posted by Dan on February 28, 2000, at 17:28:24
not one phyc drug fixes anything it simple impares your ability to feel it. continued use can cause serious damage. dont believe it? ask the former director of NIMH (national inst of mental health) and the former directory of the dept of phy at Harvard. DR PETER Breggins . im a survivor of these meds and im damaged .i got Tardive Dy from a combiantion of these meds . the doc above wrote a book that should come with each bottle of these drugs . Find his book < read it or pay the uneducated price in the long run like i did. good luck your going to need it-
Posted by Noa on February 28, 2000, at 19:00:02
In reply to these drugs impare you not fix you!, posted by Dan on February 28, 2000, at 17:28:24
I am sorry you had a bad experience with medications, and got TD from them. But not all meds cause these problems, and some people, lots of people ARE indeed helped by them. I'm sorry you weren't.
I may be mistaken, but I don't think Dr. Breggin was ever head of the NIMH.
I have read some of his work, and have heard him speak, and still believe that he takes an extremist position, which is not helpful.
Posted by Noa on February 28, 2000, at 19:06:54
In reply to these drugs impare you not fix you!, posted by Dan on February 28, 2000, at 17:28:24
I just wanted to add. I recognize that my medications are not completely benign. They are serious chemicals, and believe me, if I could do without them, I would. But my illness is very serious and has impaired my life significantly, and so I need medical treatment. My medications are part of a total treatment plan, and without them the other elements of my treatment plan would be almost completely useless. Without medications, I would probably be dead. So, you see why I feel ok about assuming the risks of adverse effects, because the alternative is really not viable.
This is my way of looking at my illness and my use of meds. Each person has their own approach. If yours is to exclude meds, and that works well, then I respect your decision. But what is right for you is not necessarily right for me or anyone else.
Posted by Rick on February 28, 2000, at 19:37:50
In reply to these drugs impare you not fix you!, posted by Dan on February 28, 2000, at 17:28:24
> not one phyc drug fixes anything it simple impares your ability to feel it.
Anything that will impair my suicidal thoughts until I can feel healthy again is a risk well taken. I have already lost a leg, a wife, two children, my home, my apartment, and my driving privelages. I don't want to lose my life due to the depression that all of these losses have caused me. It amazes me (well, not really) that a person can jump onto a BB like this one and post a message like this. Who are you to judge an entire community of people, including those of us who are depressed, anxious, or among the several other disorders that we take medications for, and also to judge the many professionals around the world who prescribe them and see wonderful results? I do not see my medications as impairing my life, in fact, they are allowing me to continue living it.
continued use can cause serious damage. dont believe it? ask the former director of NIMH (national inst of mental health) and the former directory of the dept of phy at Harvard. DR PETER Breggins . im a survivor of these meds and im damaged .i got Tardive Dy from a combiantion of these meds . the doc above wrote a book that should come with each bottle of these drugs . Find his book < read it or pay the uneducated price in the long run like i did. good luck your going to need it-I also am sorry to hear that you were injured by the use of "these" drugs...I would be interested in knowing more specifically which ones they were. I can understand your frustrations, as I lost my leg at 9 years old to cancer, and to this day, I have no one and nothing to blame for it, sometimes these horrible things just happen to people and there is nothing that can be done to prevent it. I am sorry you became a minority statistic, but many of us are in the majority statistic, and benefit greatly from these medications, in my case, Paxil, Remeron, and Ativan.
I wish you the best, and invite you to respond!
RICK
Posted by vesper on February 29, 2000, at 3:32:53
In reply to Re: these drugs impare you not fix you!, posted by Rick on February 28, 2000, at 19:37:50
In case anyone forgot to mention it, this Breggin character conveniently skews the data to fit his apparent anti-psychiatric meds agenda. In the cases in which he refers to people becoming suicidal after taking prozac, for example, he neglects to mention that EVERY ONE of these people had a prior history of such things, and that their cases were thrown out of court. I could go on. It is a valid point that medications can be dangerous, and I think that everyone should be well educated. I also think that only Psychiatrists should be able to prescribe psych. meds, and perhaps highly trained psychiatric nurses, in an emergency. Doctors in other specialties simply do not have enough specific education to be prescribing these. It would be asking too much of anyone, IMHO, to know her or his chosen specialty AND current psychopharmacological protocols.
Posted by JohnL on February 29, 2000, at 3:46:25
In reply to these drugs impare you not fix you!, posted by Dan on February 28, 2000, at 17:28:24
> not one phyc drug fixes anything it simple impares your ability to feel it.
......Absolutely false. The WRONG drug indeed impairs and numbs emotion. That's because it isn't targeting the underlying chemical imbalance directly. It is instead hitting around the edges and merely numbing all emotions. The right drug for the person's unique chemistry completely normalizes whatever is out of sync, allowing the patient to feel the entire spectrum of normal emotions. Sounds to me like you were on the wrong drugs for your chemistry.
continued use can cause serious damage.
......Sometimes....BUT more people suffer complications or death from ASPIRIN each year than SSRIs. Like everything else in life, it's a risk/benefit decision.
dont believe it? ask the former director of NIMH (national inst of mental health) and the former directory of the dept of phy at Harvard. DR PETER Breggins .
.....I would prefer to ask the MILLIONS of people who have normalized lives on psych drugs...especially the ones on the RIGHT drugs. We don't see many of them here...they're out living full happy productive lives.
im a survivor of these meds and im damaged .i got Tardive Dy from a combiantion of these meds . the doc above wrote a book that should come with each bottle of these drugs . Find his book < read it or pay the uneducated price in the long run like i did. good luck your going to need it-
.....So sorry you have to live with the consequences. Unfortunately, it happens sometimes, with aspirin and every other drug or herb on the face of the earth. Even certain normal everyday foods can cause some people serious problems.
Posted by AprilA on March 1, 2000, at 8:58:59
In reply to Re: these drugs impare you not fix you!, posted by JohnL on February 29, 2000, at 3:46:25
1.Is there any effective treatment for TD? Reserpine or levodopa? Does it matter how long the person's had it?2.Is Schizophrenic "burnout" from the progression of the disease or from the years of medication?
Would a fairly short time (2 years) on massive doses of the old neuroleptics (thorazine,etc) leave behind negative symptoms which might not be recognized as side effects?
Posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2000, at 23:35:16
In reply to Re: Impairment????, posted by AprilA on March 1, 2000, at 8:58:59
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> 1.Is there any effective treatment for TD? Reserpine or levodopa? Does it matter how long the person's had it?Often, discontinuing the antipsychotic drug will work (though not always immediately). Seemingly (but not really) paradoxically, raising the dose can temporarily alleviate the movement disorder, though people can become tolerant to this. Finally, switching to an atypical antipsychotic such as clozapine may work.
Reserpine isn't used for anything anymore, AFAIK. I think there has been some experimentation with a number of things (lately: Zofran, high-dose vitamin E, selegiline, valproate) for TD. But there's no sure fix for it at this time.
> 2.Is Schizophrenic "burnout" from the progression of the disease or from the years of medication?
Do we have a definition for "burnout?" I'm not sure what you mean.
> Would a fairly short time (2 years) on massive doses of the old neuroleptics (thorazine,etc) leave behind negative symptoms which might not be recognized as side effects?
Umm...can you rephrase?
Posted by AprilA. on March 2, 2000, at 23:09:44
In reply to Re: Impairment????, posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2000, at 23:35:16
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> > 2.Is Schizophrenic "burnout" from the progression of the disease or from the years of medication?
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> Do we have a definition for "burnout?" I'm not sure what you mean.
Permanent damage to neurons(burning out) that causes negative symptoms like apathy, anhedonia, withdrawal.>
> > Would a fairly short time (2 years) on massive doses of the old neuroleptics (thorazine,etc) leave behind negative symptoms which might not be recognized as side effects?
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> Umm...can you rephrase?Sorry that was kind of garbled. I'll try again.
If a person had "neuroleptic-induced deficit syndrome" because of the medicine would it be permanent? After the medicine was gone it might be diagnosed as depression rather than recognized as lingering damage from the neuroleptics.
It said in the Stahl Psychopharmacology (from the booklist) this syndrome was more common in people who were given these drugs with no underlying Psychosis, as happened to this person. It was unclear to me if this syndrome was permanent.Thanks a lot for responding.AprilA
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