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Posted by Vesper on February 24, 2000, at 21:22:30
Well. The person who came here from Arizona has an eating disorder, among other things, and I am finding myself with yet another thing to worry over...she is not eating, and when she does, it is orange juice or fruit...nothing else. I am trying to get her help here, but I don't know what to do! I know next to nothing about eating disorders! I feel like now that she is staying here I can't abandon her to go into the hospital, and I feel even more anxious and suicidal. Instead of helping myself, I have made things worse. Her family is harassing her(us) and contacting all her friends and prospective employers and even the police, telling them she has stolen property, is suicidal, etc. and threatening me...(oh by the way, she's 21, not suicidal, and her car is hers, with a co-signer, and she is making the payments.) Her mother is irrational as hell. I didn't need this, but now I feel like I'm stuck. Damn I hate being in constant crisis, I just joined this list thing recently and I'm Mr. High Maintenance. Janice, I agree that is was really above and beyond for you to help me like you did. Thank you. I really don't know what to do next. I stopped taking most of my meds, and dropped out of day tx. They will probably drop me at UCLA now, and I have no where else to go, as I cannot pay my monthly "share of cost" (California's version of medicaid, medi-cal, makes a person pay a certain amount per month based on income) Of course, SSDI raises my payment every year by about $15 then medi-cal raises the share of cost by $40, effectively making sure I have LESS money per month as each year passes. Lovely, isn't it? C'est la Morte!
goddess bless you all
Vesper
Posted by Noa on February 24, 2000, at 21:59:53
In reply to Another ridiculous vesper update, posted by Vesper on February 24, 2000, at 21:22:30
Take care of yourself first.
Posted by Vesper on February 24, 2000, at 23:19:20
In reply to Re: vesper , posted by Noa on February 24, 2000, at 21:59:53
> Take care of yourself first.
Thank you noa, but I can't just leave this person on my boat! And I can't tell her to leave, she has no where to go!
Posted by medlib on February 25, 2000, at 0:35:42
In reply to Re: vesper , posted by Vesper on February 24, 2000, at 23:19:20
> > Take care of yourself first.
>
> Thank you noa, but I can't just leave this person on my boat! And I can't tell her to leave, she has no where to go!Noa's right, Vesper. I urge you to do whatever is necessary to remain in the Calif. med system--at least until you are admitted. Once in, they can't kick you out just for nonpayment; but they can prevent your admission if you don't qualify. Maybe your dad could loan you enough?
Non-sucidal bulemia is not an immediate medical emergency like you're facing. What is the worst that you can imagine if you DID leave her on your boat? And what is likely to happen if you continue to delay treatment for yourself?--neither of you would be better off.
Could you pdoc help with this latest complication?
Best wishes
medlib
Posted by CarolAnn on February 25, 2000, at 8:31:21
In reply to Re: vesper , posted by medlib on February 25, 2000, at 0:35:42
Vesper, look, if you promise to go into the hospital right away, I will send you the money for the current payment to stay in the system. Then, as medlib says, they can't kick you out, and you will get the help you need. If you want to do this just post an address I can send the money to, and the exact amount you need. CarolAnn
Posted by Vesper on February 25, 2000, at 12:59:54
In reply to Re: vesper , posted by CarolAnn on February 25, 2000, at 8:31:21
> Vesper, look, if you promise to go into the hospital right away, I will send you the money for the current payment to stay in the system. Then, as medlib says, they can't kick you out, and you will get the help you need. If you want to do this just post an address I can send the money to, and the exact amount you need. CarolAnn
Thank you, but I think you misunderstood. I don't have to pay anything, as long as I use UCLA for my services(not at the moment, at least) because they are paying my share of cost for me. It is only if I can no longer avail myself of their services that I will have to pay. Anyway, I would never accept $ from you or anyone else, although I really am touched by the offer! At the moment, there are 2 people staying with me, and we are doing some things together, so I am doing a little better for now...we'll see. I'm still cutting, but not that deeply.
Posted by Noa on February 25, 2000, at 13:45:06
In reply to Re: vesper , posted by Vesper on February 25, 2000, at 12:59:54
Use the time with people around to PLAN for how to keep yourself safe when they leave, including plans to go into the hospital if you return to the state of mind you were in just a couple of days ago.
Posted by Janice on February 25, 2000, at 22:21:48
In reply to Another ridiculous vesper update, posted by Vesper on February 24, 2000, at 21:22:30
Hi Vesper,
My god! If you make it through this bad time, you may have a movie script on your lap.
Help turns up and is in worse shape than you almost! I unfortuneately know alot about eating disorders - so please ask me any questions you have? I can tell you this, as I am typing this right now, she is probably thinking about food, and as you are reading this right now, she is probably thinking about food. I almost hope she can aggravate you just enough to take your mind off how bad you feel.
Please keep in touch, either through babbleland or through my e-mail. I did close to nothing for you, I picked up a phone, pushed 8 digits with my forefinger and spoke a few words into the receiver. Let me know if I can help again.
What about your father? Did he call back? Could he help you? Janice
Posted by finally sane on February 26, 2000, at 3:07:25
In reply to Vesper, posted by Janice on February 25, 2000, at 22:21:48
Vesper...
Get a life besides this board and seek some help. quit this damn cutting, because if you meant it you would have done it. Find something bigger than yourself and get the fuc* on with your life and quit worrying bout other ppl and deal with your own problems for once. the only reason you take ppl in is so you wont have to take care of your self... Guess what? you are all you really have... Know what? It really isnt as bad as it sounds. You can do it with out all of us and our pity and you will be so much more proud of your self. Just do it!
Posted by Vesper on February 26, 2000, at 4:09:43
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by finally sane on February 26, 2000, at 3:07:25
> Vesper...
>
> Get a life besides this board and seek some help. quit this damn cutting, because if you meant it you would have done it. Find something bigger than yourself and get the fuc* on with your life and quit worrying bout other ppl and deal with your own problems for once. the only reason you take ppl in is so you wont have to take care of your self... Guess what? you are all you really have... Know what? It really isnt as bad as it sounds. You can do it with out all of us and our pity and you will be so much more proud of your self. Just do it!WHy thank you. Goodbye everyone, sorry to have bothered you. No more posts from me! You obviously don't understand the nature of cutting, it has nothing to do with attempting suicide.
Thank you andyone who had genuine understanding and words of wisdom, they DID help.
Goodbye, good luck, and have an adequate life. I am dead already and damn glad.
Sorry to have taken up your time and space on this board, goodbye.
Posted by Carolyn on February 26, 2000, at 6:41:35
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by finally sane on February 26, 2000, at 3:07:25
> Vesper...
>
> Get a life besides this board and seek some help. quit this damn cutting, because if you meant it you would have done it. Find something bigger than yourself and get the fuc* on with your life and quit worrying bout other ppl and deal with your own problems for once. the only reason you take ppl in is so you wont have to take care of your self... Guess what? you are all you really have... Know what? It really isnt as bad as it sounds. You can do it with out all of us and our pity and you will be so much more proud of your self. Just do it!Boy, that is real helpful. I once was a cutter myself. I was not trying to die, I was trying to relieve my psychological pain by substituting physical pain. I was also trying to seek help, but having trouble verbalizing it. I have learned not to do that anymore. We are all at different stages in our journeys. Sometimes we do indulge in some self-pity. It's not the best idea, but we're only human. I congratulate you on solving all your own problems. The rest of us are still engaged in the struggle. Hopefully when we reach your mountaintop we will be kind enough not to throw stones down at those still making the climb.
Posted by ChrisK on February 26, 2000, at 6:47:27
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by Vesper on February 26, 2000, at 4:09:43
Vesper,
Don't pay attention to a-hole trolls like this one. People around here a genuinely concerned about other people's health and Safety. You are in more prayers and thoughts than you will ever know about.
Get yourself into the hospital today. It's the safest place for now.
E-mail me or Carol Ann or Noa. Just stay in touch with someone.
Chris
Posted by Noa on February 26, 2000, at 8:54:22
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by ChrisK on February 26, 2000, at 6:47:27
> Vesper,
>
I agree that finally sane does not understand cutting. You don't have to leave. That was one opinion, and an unhelpful one, especially the way it was expressed.Vesper, you have a strong "flight" response, don't you? You sense danger and you run. That tells me you have a good survival instinct. Somewhere along the line, you figured out out to get yourself out of danger by fleeing. That is a way of taking care of yourself. And it is a good core of self-preservation to begin to build on.
Thinking of you.
Posted by dove on February 26, 2000, at 10:06:51
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by Noa on February 26, 2000, at 8:54:22
Vesper, don't go! The post above was very harsh and rude, but even they care about you, Vesper. They want you to be safe, just as we want you to be safe, and we all want you to seek the help you need. Please don't view the board as hateful or callous, we all really do care. Even if that care is expressed very badly at times. You need an outlet for your pain, frustration and emotions. We know that, and we want to see you express those feelings constructively rather than taking it out on yourself. Either way, we are here!
dove
Posted by kelly on February 26, 2000, at 16:18:34
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by finally sane on February 26, 2000, at 3:07:25
> Vesper...
>
> Get a life besides this board and seek some help. quit this damn cutting, because if you meant it you would have done it. Find something bigger than yourself and get the fuc* on with your life and quit worrying bout other ppl and deal with your own problems for once. the only reason you take ppl in is so you wont have to take care of your self... Guess what? you are all you really have... Know what? It really isnt as bad as it sounds. You can do it with out all of us and our pity and you will be so much more proud of your self. Just do it!The person who has strong opinions & always says what he thinks is courageous- and friendless.
Posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2000, at 22:29:04
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by finally sane on February 26, 2000, at 3:07:25
Uh, Dr. Bob? Can something be done about this "finally sane" (whatever that means) person?
Posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2000, at 22:33:30
In reply to Re: Vesper, posted by kelly on February 26, 2000, at 16:18:34
> The person who has strong opinions & always says what he thinks is courageous- and friendless.
Heh.
Vesper, I'm sorry you were subjected to that. I hope you aren't driven off by it. Some nasty individuals like "saner-than-thou" seem to have some kind of need to troll around and try to hurt the people who need support the most.
*hugs*
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