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Posted by jules354 on May 10, 2006, at 20:24:32
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by johnnyj on May 10, 2006, at 14:44:28
i'd definitely recommend keeping up with the walking. it's so good for you and will really help.
i definitely had ups and downs w/ anxiety and depression - and it was confusing bcs i never had problems w/ anxiety before, just depression. so i'm convinced it was the w/d symptoms.
take care,
jules
Posted by johnnyj on May 10, 2006, at 22:00:43
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by Marian29 on May 10, 2006, at 18:58:14
Hello Marian,
I have not tried a sleep med yet. I have samples of rozerem but I hesitate due to some contradictions concerning depression on the accompanying info.
About Lunesta, well, I thought of it but most benzo drugs made me more depressed and since they work on the same receptors my doc was not too thrilled about it. What is your feeling with it? I thought if I did take something I would only take it every 3rd or 4th night and may switch up different meds as not to let my body get too adjusted.
Tonight I have hardly any anxiety, but do feel a bit down. Today was rather blah. I do pray for a good nights sleep. That feels so good to have a sound comfortable sleep.
Keep fighting everyone
johnnyj
Posted by musky on May 10, 2006, at 23:46:16
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » jules354, posted by johnnyj on May 10, 2006, at 9:24:48
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Hey johnny... sorry tohear you are having a bit of a rough time , cause the last post you sounded not too bad.. Hang in there and I will say a special little prayer for you tonite.It takes time,,, I too am kinda worried that this drug permenantly damaged me.. but I try to not focus on that and think logically... It is probably temporary what this drug does ...
Try to keep busy as you can so that time passes by fast and you take the focus off yourself..
I know what you mean by wierd.. everytime I cut back i would get this out of body sensation , foggy brain stuff.. I would just walk around in a daze it seemed..
Had an acupuncture treatment today... evened out my mood again... pretty stable tonight..Good luck
Keep going... Im told the brain will heal its neural pathways.. read that in a medical book somewhere.. so it gives me hope....
muskyHI Jules,
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> How long after cutting/quitting did things start to smooth out?
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> My wife said I snored last night but I woke up many times. Anxiety is better today but I feel "weird" today. Some depression, nausea, kind of shakey, sponge brain and kind of numb around the eyes. I also have this sensitivity with my ears and smell. More acute than normal. I had this on my benzo reduction too. It is hard to stay still. If I sit still and then move it feels kind like I'm dizzy or something. So hard to explain. On day 14 of my reduction and hope this abates some time soon. I just want to curl up and sleep for two weeks until my body adjusts but that can't happen unless I can have a coma induced! I am tired and fatigued. I just wonder how long until this smooths out? I hate to think this stuff has made me worse and permanently changed my body. I am hanging on but how long can I stand this withdrawal? Pray for me everyone.
>
> johnnyj
Posted by musky on May 10, 2006, at 23:55:17
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by johnnyj on May 10, 2006, at 14:44:28
>Hey johnny... what u said about exercise... I can see how yo dont want to rev up your system but i think otherwise.. from all reports exercise is the best thing for w/d and stress.. seriously ,,,i'm going on the tredmill 2x week right now and it has helped with all this w/d as well. you want to break a sweat as that is how the body detoxifies too.
Oh ya... wait until you are STABLE mood before reducing... at least that has what my acupuncturist told me and what i have researched about w/d... this has worked for me.. they say no matter how long it takes just keep going.. dont get to anxious to cut back too soon.
For me it was about every 3months.. I have been like jules .. taking forever to wean... its been 2yrs (Icant believe this!) but I am almost done..
and im glad i have taken my time so far.. it has taught me more about myself I think and has taught me mental disciplinemusky
Hang inmusky
thanks for the reply
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> I am not sure about a reduction quite yet. I am not sure if I should stablize or just go to zero. It could help or make the w/d worse. Hard to tell because 7.5 just made me more depressed. But I don't want to prolong the w/d....doctor doesn't have a good idea either. They don't seem to know much about withdrawal. Almost act like it isn't that bad and are quick to say it is just your original condition. If so, why all of the other symptoms?
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> I guess I am not suprised by the 6 weeks for you. I had a month of depression after my last benzo dose and then boom, I felt better. This is a more potent med and hits so many receptors. Waiting it out is rough though. I have to watch the excercise since it kind of revs up my body and makes sleeping more difficult. I don't want to "overcharge" my system right now, just want to limit all types of stress. I am limiting excercise to yard work and walking. It is funny but today I was naseated but around lunch was so hungary.
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> Did you have ups and downs in anxiety and depression? That is what is confusing. Today, less anxiety but more depression. Go figure. Thanks again for the reply. I will do some progressive muscle relaxation tonight.
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> johnnyj
Posted by musky on May 11, 2006, at 0:04:44
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » Marian29, posted by johnnyj on May 10, 2006, at 22:00:43
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Hello johnny:about sleep... try some natural remedies such as chamomile tea.. , hot milk... a hot bath just before going to bed..
try some relaxtion tapes/cds listen to them in bed.. there are even tapes out there that play certain sound waves to increase the brains alpha waves(the ones responsible for the deep sleep we get)..
Acupunture has helped me soooo much with balancing out my sleep... iwas getting broken sleep alot through this and have since stabilized.wierd but at this lower dose of 2mg I am sooo tired in the am.. hard to wake up for work!! I hope that my insomnia dosent return after stopping completely.. but I will cross that bridge later...
I would hesitate to take a sleep med as once ;you take it.. how then will you wean off that? to me its just another med to have to come off.. and then you may feel anxious if you dont have it and your insomnia will come back??
I had sleeping pills when first on remeron ,, they didnt help me one bit.. still woke up in the night,, restless sleep and then i had this horrible metal taste in my mouth the next day.
I weaned myself off those meds a while back,,, and havent looked back..
like i said.. acupuncture was the best thing for helping with insomnia...Good luck
the body will balance.. thats what it was made to do
Musky
Hello Marian,
>
> I have not tried a sleep med yet. I have samples of rozerem but I hesitate due to some contradictions concerning depression on the accompanying info.
>
> About Lunesta, well, I thought of it but most benzo drugs made me more depressed and since they work on the same receptors my doc was not too thrilled about it. What is your feeling with it? I thought if I did take something I would only take it every 3rd or 4th night and may switch up different meds as not to let my body get too adjusted.
>
> Tonight I have hardly any anxiety, but do feel a bit down. Today was rather blah. I do pray for a good nights sleep. That feels so good to have a sound comfortable sleep.
>
> Keep fighting everyone
>
> johnnyj
Posted by cashy72 on May 12, 2006, at 5:14:27
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » johnnyj, posted by jules354 on May 10, 2006, at 13:55:15
Hi Jules, just picked up your message too johhnyj, hope you don't mind me replying for some reassurance... I'm 7 days into being free of remeron, which i'd been on for 18 mths or so, 45mg, then 30mg for 12mths, i cut down 15mg to 7.5mg over a week or so. In the last day or so my sleep pattern has been terrible, maybe 1 hour at best, and anxiety levels are very high, especially in the morning... Is this what you experienced, i'm just going too grit my teeth, and see it through, but just wanted some confirmation of the w/d symptoms..
Cheers. Cashy72
Posted by johnnyj on May 12, 2006, at 8:17:22
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by cashy72 on May 12, 2006, at 5:14:27
It is withdrawal in my opinion. When I first tried remeron years ago I stayed on it for about 3 months and when I quit I was fine for a week and then wham, the worst anxiety I had in years. Well, they just upped my benzo, tripled it, and this helped but the benzo just made me depressed after some time. So, in my opinion, it is withdrawal. So many times the people here talk of insomnia and anxiety as being very severe. The good news is my anxiety has gone down but there is a low grade depression in conjunction with my heavy head. That is why I think I may need to go to zero from the 3.75 and try and gut it out. Remeron is viscious that is for sure.
Posted by jules354 on May 12, 2006, at 22:36:41
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by cashy72 on May 12, 2006, at 5:14:27
hi Cashy72,
that was my experience exactly, and plus i've never had probs w/ anxiety before so i feel sure it was the withdrawal. yes, my anxiety was esp. pronounced in the morning too.
i think for a lot of us, these symptoms were worst when cutting back to the lowest doses...makes me think that they're like the side effects themselves of the remeron, which are also worst in lower doses.
i hope things even out for you soon.
take care,
jules
Posted by Marian29 on May 13, 2006, at 12:22:33
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » cashy72, posted by jules354 on May 12, 2006, at 22:36:41
I almost went back on Remeron last night! Not sleeping is killing me. I'm now on my third sleep aid, and while I can fall asleep without panic attacks, I'm up at 3am. And I'm exhausted and kinda without motivation all day long.
So I caught myself thinking, maybe I should just take a small dose. I recall feeling pretty good on Remeron, had a lot of energy. It was soooo tempting....
The only thing that stopped me was the realization that I've lost 5 pounds since quitting. I don't want to go back to my clothes being too tight.
Anyone else dealing with the temptation of just chucking this withdrawal and heading on back?
Marian
Posted by johnnyj on May 13, 2006, at 21:43:30
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by Marian29 on May 13, 2006, at 12:22:33
Marian:
You reading my mind? I thought about going back up a few nights ago. I didn't. I had five not so good days and sleeping was so tough. It will be 3 weeks this Monday that I cut to 3.75. Well, last night I slept about 8 hours. I got some giner ale for the nausea and today was not too bad. I still have a low grade anxiety though and my chest feels very full, some depression but managable.
I worked outside today and got developed a thumping feeling in the back of my head. I know it is withdrawal since the remeron caused heaviness and headaches. It is gone now but I am still feeling "strange" but at least I didn't feel like dying today. I hope you are able to stick it out because if I go up in my dose I may sleep better but the other side effects are too much. I haven't used a sleep med either. I just try to let it pass. Are you totally off now? I do believe this takes weeks to adjust and I am still not there but I am hopeful. Hang in there.
cheers
johnnyj
Posted by musky on May 13, 2006, at 21:44:45
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by cashy72 on May 12, 2006, at 5:14:27
>Hey Cashy... good to hear you are sticking it out.. you sound like a FIGHTER and will win this battle... IVe done some more research on Remeron and its pharacodynamics... Did you know that females metabolize remeron at a slower rate than males.. therefore the half life is much longer. The average half life of remeron is 20-40hrs.. so its no wonder withdrawl takes a long time..
Docs dont tell the patient this though.. at least mine didnt.. and they all prescribe the same dose for males and females... how dumb is that!!
Anyways... hang in and it will get better... look at jules and johnny...
I guess im next to go off completely ....12 days and counting...
I take my last remeron then.Musky
Hi Jules, just picked up your message too johhnyj, hope you don't mind me replying for some reassurance... I'm 7 days into being free of remeron, which i'd been on for 18 mths or so, 45mg, then 30mg for 12mths, i cut down 15mg to 7.5mg over a week or so. In the last day or so my sleep pattern has been terrible, maybe 1 hour at best, and anxiety levels are very high, especially in the morning... Is this what you experienced, i'm just going too grit my teeth, and see it through, but just wanted some confirmation of the w/d symptoms..
> Cheers. Cashy72
Posted by musky on May 13, 2006, at 21:50:59
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on May 12, 2006, at 8:17:22
> you got that right johnny.. vicious is putting it mildly... I'm kinda getting a little nervous reading all these posts with withdrawl symptoms.. but I have a saftey net set up ... my survivor bag FULL of things to help me feel better(all natural stuff), and my acupuncturist if things get too rough.. plus im continuing to exercise and will really go at it too if my anxiety gets bad...
But im trying not to let the fear get to me too much.. I quit altogether in 12days and have been taking about 2mg for the last 3.5 months.
Im not goiing back on benzos for this either..Ive been clean from all of that for 2yrs now and have managed fine without, again thanks to acupuncture.
Musky
It is withdrawal in my opinion. When I first tried remeron years ago I stayed on it for about 3 months and when I quit I was fine for a week and then wham, the worst anxiety I had in years. Well, they just upped my benzo, tripled it, and this helped but the benzo just made me depressed after some time. So, in my opinion, it is withdrawal. So many times the people here talk of insomnia and anxiety as being very severe. The good news is my anxiety has gone down but there is a low grade depression in conjunction with my heavy head. That is why I think I may need to go to zero from the 3.75 and try and gut it out. Remeron is viscious that is for sure.
Posted by musky on May 13, 2006, at 21:53:45
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » cashy72, posted by jules354 on May 12, 2006, at 22:36:41
>Funny you should mention that jules.. about the side effects stronger at lower doses.. for me yes I too am more anxious at am and figity.. and also since being on 2mg its soo hard to wake up in the morning,, and I am napping every aft too. just no real energy.. not like tired just feeling slow.. hard to explain..
Musky
hi Cashy72,
>
> that was my experience exactly, and plus i've never had probs w/ anxiety before so i feel sure it was the withdrawal. yes, my anxiety was esp. pronounced in the morning too.
>
> i think for a lot of us, these symptoms were worst when cutting back to the lowest doses...makes me think that they're like the side effects themselves of the remeron, which are also worst in lower doses.
>
> i hope things even out for you soon.
>
> take care,
> jules
Posted by musky on May 13, 2006, at 22:02:18
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by Marian29 on May 13, 2006, at 12:22:33
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Marian... do uyourself a HuGE favor and DOOONT go back,,, I know its hard, but just keep telling yourself its the withdrawl and the body will Create a "false" crisis to get the drug.. much like a drug addict I hate to say...
look at jules.. managing fine it seems..try natural sleep aids.. ie) chamomile tea, valerian root(short term), acupuncture(very effective for insomnia/broken sleep).. watch out for the sleep aids.. they can be addicting and then have fun to try and get off of these,,as they disturb the normal sleep patterns... then insomnia returns with a vengenance when stopping these meds.. Natural products dont do this... try to get more info on this and talk to your doc..only if he/she is knowledgeable in this area.. alot of docs arent and will quickly prescribe yet another med..
just HANG IN there.. and yes think of your wt loss and you will look good again...
I mean so you feel better on Remeron and then still gain wt?? to me thats not a trade off, especially when remeron DIDnt make me feel good .. Ive hated my wt gain since day one... and have been on this drug for 3yrs.. IWant my body back.. ALL OF IT!Keep going.. one day at a time
Musky
I almost went back on Remeron last night! Not sleeping is killing me. I'm now on my third sleep aid, and while I can fall asleep without panic attacks, I'm up at 3am. And I'm exhausted and kinda without motivation all day long.
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> So I caught myself thinking, maybe I should just take a small dose. I recall feeling pretty good on Remeron, had a lot of energy. It was soooo tempting....
>
> The only thing that stopped me was the realization that I've lost 5 pounds since quitting. I don't want to go back to my clothes being too tight.
>
> Anyone else dealing with the temptation of just chucking this withdrawal and heading on back?
>
> Marian
Posted by Marian29 on May 14, 2006, at 19:15:54
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by musky on May 13, 2006, at 22:02:18
Thank you for the support,musky and johnnyj. I won't go back just yet, but I'm miserable right now. I miss the Remeron-enabled sleep, I've gotten terribly depressed, and the weight loss doesn't seem to make me look any better. In fact, I think I look absolutely awful.
I do believe that that's partly the depression and sleeplessness speaking, though.
It's been a month (maybe more) since I took my last dose. It's so HARD to get over this drug!
What's worrisome (among many other things about Remeron) is that now, looking back, it seems to have given me an artificial energy. I could work out for a solid hour and still be raring to go. Even allowing for having insufficient sleep right now, I can barely get through a half an hour at half the pace. I DON'T think the difference is only due to depression and/or its alleviation. I think this is yet another sinister aspect of the med.
If I could figure out where to get acupuncture around here, I might give that a try. The alternative is to be put on another SSRI (I've already tried a few), and I'm not sure that would be a great move.
Sorry to be so down. You guys have been a wonderful support.
Posted by johnnyj on May 14, 2006, at 19:44:16
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by Marian29 on May 14, 2006, at 19:15:54
Keep the faith Marian:
I have had two good days now but had some anxiety this afternoon. It is sure up and down with the drug. The funny thing is I was almost about to cave last week but stuck it out.
Two things I have experienced since lowering my dose. 1) My appetite waned a bit but I found myself enjoying food better than when I was on the higher doses. The remeron made me crave things I normally would not eat and I really didn't enojoy them. So, my taste seems more natural now and I "sense" or taste other foods now. 2) I need to rest and not do any hard excercise. It just gets my heart going too long and my head feels weird. My whole body seems to feel like it has been running fast and just needs to slow down and heal. So, for me just doing light yard work/garden stuff and walking is all I plan to do. However, just do what you feel you need, no advice here just my thoughts.
Just let the anxiety pass and realize that if you can handle remeron withdrawal you can handle day to day anxiety.
BEAT the REMERON.
Cheers all
johnnyj
Posted by johnnyj on May 14, 2006, at 19:47:26
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by Marian29 on May 14, 2006, at 19:15:54
This has not been brought up here so I thought I would. I know it may be different for men than women but I thought I would bring it up.
This med has been the worst for me. Almost totally killed my drive. At lower doses no better. When I went off before I had rebound desire and it was strange, now just nothing. Since I am down to 3.75 it just got a little better but I need to go off.
johnnyj
Posted by musky on May 15, 2006, at 0:01:19
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night? » Marian29, posted by johnnyj on May 14, 2006, at 19:44:16
>
johnny... Ya now that you mentioned it.. I too have noticed that remeron at lower doses has halted my appetite.. also I noticed that ever since i have been on it.. i have craved sweets like never before and at the beginning of taking the remeron I ate and ate all kinds of junk and lost my appetite gradually as they kept increasing the dose. Except for the sugar craving and chocolate I havent enjoyed the taste of food nor have i really gotten that "true" healthy hunger I use to..
This cant be healthy... I have forced myself to eat healthier than i ever have.. and still dont enjoy or taste much... NEVER had this problem before...
Again its the drug .. messing with appetite stimulus...
I'll be so glad to eat normal again and actually enjoy my food and feel that natural hunger ... its been so long.take care
musky
Keep the faith Marian:
>
> I have had two good days now but had some anxiety this afternoon. It is sure up and down with the drug. The funny thing is I was almost about to cave last week but stuck it out.
>
> Two things I have experienced since lowering my dose. 1) My appetite waned a bit but I found myself enjoying food better than when I was on the higher doses. The remeron made me crave things I normally would not eat and I really didn't enojoy them. So, my taste seems more natural now and I "sense" or taste other foods now. 2) I need to rest and not do any hard excercise. It just gets my heart going too long and my head feels weird. My whole body seems to feel like it has been running fast and just needs to slow down and heal. So, for me just doing light yard work/garden stuff and walking is all I plan to do. However, just do what you feel you need, no advice here just my thoughts.
>
> Just let the anxiety pass and realize that if you can handle remeron withdrawal you can handle day to day anxiety.
>
> BEAT the REMERON.
>
> Cheers all
>
> johnnyj
Posted by jules354 on May 15, 2006, at 12:40:57
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by Marian29 on May 14, 2006, at 19:15:54
Marian29, so sorry to hear you're having a hard time. have you tried a different kind of exercise, like yoga or pilates, less high impact, not as easy to punish yourself if you cant do it for too long? or even walking.
i had a lot of weakness and low mood after discontinuing too, and it was so hard not to feel bad about myself. also with the loss of appetite don't forget to eat good food to nourish yourself, even if you dont have the craving for it...this might help lift the depression a bit too.
take care,
jules
Posted by jules354 on May 15, 2006, at 12:44:41
In reply to Remeron sexual side effects., posted by johnnyj on May 14, 2006, at 19:47:26
it really hurt my drive too when i was on it. when i went off my interest in sex really spiked just for a few days then disappeared, now feels like it's back to more 'normal.' altho after so many years on ADs it's hard to remember what it might have been like pre-depression...suffice to say i'm pretty happy with where my sex drive is now, and like a lot of things it took about 6+ wks to stabilize after i discontinued.
take care,
jules
Posted by johnnyj on May 15, 2006, at 13:10:34
In reply to Re: Remeron sexual side effects., posted by jules354 on May 15, 2006, at 12:44:41
Wow, so many of us have the same exact issues. And my doctor didn't believe I had this increase in libido when I was off for those 10 days last fall. I told her that it seems I am so interested in the opposite sex it kind of started bugging me. I know most people would think that is a good thing but not when it dominates one's thoughts. Now, I realize it is just another side effect that will normalize. They wondered if I was manic but I never was diagnosed manic before. Nothing like prescribing something you don't know anything about...
I feel ok today, just a little anxiety and kind of weak. I can't wait until I drop it to zero and I think that is the most logical step. I don't want to sit through two more withdrawal events. I think 3.75 to zero will be rough but doable. take care
johnnyj
Posted by musky on May 15, 2006, at 23:39:51
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by jules354 on May 15, 2006, at 12:40:57
>hey just wonderin if anyone whos been tapering as I have has had kinda "delayed w/d symptoms?" I mean i had the usual w/d symptoms(during the first few weeks after I would cut), these of course were managable with acupuncture, self care, etc. Then I would stabilize and then cut again..
This time however when I cut down to the 2mg I first got the usual w/d after about 5 days , then it was kinda back and forth for about a month. then i stabilized . but now here I am just about 4months into the 2mg dose and I have had some mood swings kinda.. I got some anxiety stuff, then went to acupuncture and it helped. Then I settled down for a few days and then the other day I just felt like crying. and again today and then I would feel so overwhelmed... I cant figure this out except that its just the body trying to even out still
Im wondering if anyone else got this.. jules or johnny??
From my last experience quite a while back I was on amytriptylene for about 3months then weaned and then about 3months later I totally went down?? thats when they stuck me on this crazy remeron.. Im wondeirng if i had just toughed it out and not had let the anxiety gotten tome.
Also back then I didnt know half of what i do now with healthe and well being. I was doing a bit of acupuncture but it was for a diff reason then so I dont think that would have made a difference.
Any thoughts?? Im thinking its just delayed w/d , body balancing out stuff.Im just letting these feelings pass and well, they do(Thank God!)
Musky
Marian29, so sorry to hear you're having a hard time. have you tried a different kind of exercise, like yoga or pilates, less high impact, not as easy to punish yourself if you cant do it for too long? or even walking.
>
> i had a lot of weakness and low mood after discontinuing too, and it was so hard not to feel bad about myself. also with the loss of appetite don't forget to eat good food to nourish yourself, even if you dont have the craving for it...this might help lift the depression a bit too.
>
> take care,
> jules
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Posted by cashy72 on May 16, 2006, at 3:55:21
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by musky on May 15, 2006, at 23:39:51
Hi.. It's now 12 days since stopping the remeron, and this last 3 have been pretty tough. I feel like im kinda plugged into an electrical socket if that makes any sense? plus high anxiety, especially during the morning. It really is no fun right now, but i know it will pass, and everyday is more time for the body too get back too normal, and balance. From what i've researched, it seems the 2nd week off htese drugs is the worst? It certainly feels like that right now. I hope things even out soon... Hows everyone else doin'? Cheers for listening..
Cashy72
Posted by Marian29 on May 16, 2006, at 7:33:06
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by cashy72 on May 16, 2006, at 3:55:21
Thank you once again guys for all your support and good wishes.
The withdrawal goes on a long time. I'm a month post quitting, and if anything, it's tougher now. The depression is very bad...but that was the reason I got medicated in the first place (besides the insomnia). I'm in a pretty black place right now, but at least I realize that the depression is talking, not "me."
All I can say is, hang in there and get this nasty drug out of your system no matter how long it takes! But honestly, when I can see the psychiatrist again, I am going to ask for a different (hopefully, more benign) med. I've been battling severe depression all my life, and I've tried the usual things--exercise, light boxes in the winter, yoga, meditation, therapy, etc.--and nothing works except for meds.
Has anyone tried Prozac? That will probably be the next move(I've already been on Paxil, Lexapro, and Cymbalta, which have worked to various degrees before they stopped).
Thanks again, and good luck battling through this!
(PS: about the sexual stuff, I didn't find Remeron to be as bad as some of the others. Paxil was by far the worst).
Posted by johnnyj on May 16, 2006, at 9:31:52
In reply to Re: Cut dose to 3.75 last night?, posted by musky on May 15, 2006, at 23:39:51
Musky,
I have some thoughts about the remeron doses but I am not sure how accurate they are. When I went off last November I went back on after something like 10 or 13 days. I felt more depressed than ever for over one month. The I was so up and down for months. We all know that remeron at lower doses is more sedating so I have a theory that at the low doses remeron is not helping depression but could probably make it worse?? That is why I am really caught between trying to stabilize or cut down to zero and deal with things.
I had a pretty good weekend as far as sleep was concerned but still had this chest heavy and anxiety. Last night didn't sleep as well and feel down today little anxiety. Since it has been 3 weeks from my cut dose to 3.75 I know most is w/d.
I have this startle stuff too that causes anxiety and affects my sleep. Before I went on remeron I never had this and this is the biggest problem for me right now. So, if I go off remeron will this clear up rather soon? I don't know but I wonder if these lower doses cause continued side effects that we have deemed w/d? I wish I knew. I don't know if what you are experiencing is w/d or just side effects at lower doses? Other people have mentioned things as side effects they never had before the med.
Anybody have any ideas? Take care
johnnyj
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