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Posted by sigismund on November 28, 2013, at 20:41:41
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect', posted by baseball55 on November 28, 2013, at 19:11:34
I must listen to it again. Perhaps there was this part in the middle of the first movement where, was it going backwards or forwards or the layering. That first movement is so rigorous, and the second a fugue, do I recall reading that. I have never understood fugues, they are pretty far out and interesting. The counterpoint at the end of some classical symphonies (esp 40 Mozart) is easier, and makes me think of taking a building apart. I have Richter doing the Well Tempered Clavier and listen often. He amused me by saying that after playing for Stalin's funeral he really needed a shower.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 9:34:56
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect', posted by sigismund on November 26, 2013, at 22:40:00
Although I don't play anymore, I can still read music and I find it can add a lot to see the score alongside the music. Some brilliant YouTubers have made this so easy for us, as in this example.
Part 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM-sSHNA41U
Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPgqJHJvU4
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 11:06:35
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on November 28, 2013, at 18:28:09
>The Corelli is amazing and lovely.
>
> What is that many stringed instrument?This one? Scroll down...
http://www.bachtrack.com/Claudio+Monteverdi+-+Still+young+at+500
It's the Theorbo, a sort of giant lute. Very widely used in the Baroque era as part of the Basso Continuo. The numbers and symbols below the cello part represent the chords, it's called a figured bass.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 11:38:38
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect', posted by baseball55 on November 28, 2013, at 19:11:34
> Oh Wow. That Corelli video makes me weep.
I added one above with the score, a simpler less elaborate performance.
If you prefer drama, listen to Europa Galante's phenomenal version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX_MtDxZVl0
I love the Bach double. You must mean this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uSj4apOG0
Do you like the Bach harpsichord concertos eg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2laUv3y7OfA
Baroque string music is usually difficult but many orchestras can 'have a go'. In contrast, the operatic music of the time often sounds almost un-singable.
How about this (literally breathtaking) singing! (from Griselda, Vivaldi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNA0J2bJg3k
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 11:54:40
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » baseball55, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 11:38:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VXdsT6Ez8
:)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 11:57:35
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 27, 2013, at 5:19:21
I'm going to go for this one. In memoria aetera 'in eternal memory', from Vivaldi's Beatus Vir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyiJrGNisH8
Posted by johnLA on December 3, 2013, at 0:26:06
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop... » johnLA, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 12:53:53
thnx ed for all the links.
really appreciate that.
i will work my way thru them and let you know about what you asked.
thanks again.
john
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 1:27:19
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop... » ed_uk2010, posted by johnLA on December 3, 2013, at 0:26:06
I liked the last one the most.
I have tried, but hip hop gives me akithesia (how do you spell it?). Right before the end of that I thought, maybe I agree with the politics? Which I do here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5IUq-XBTI8
But then I was so disgusted with all that back then.
I do like trance.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 4:12:23
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop... » ed_uk2010, posted by johnLA on December 3, 2013, at 0:26:06
> thnx ed for all the links.
>
> really appreciate that.
>
> i will work my way thru them and let you know about what you asked.
>
> thanks again.
>
> johnI couldn't stop. And then, where I saw your headline, I thought of the great Michael Jackson song 'Don't stop till you get enough'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRGrDiMsA
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 4:26:22
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop..., posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 1:27:19
>I liked the last one the most.
Which one Sigi?
>hip hop gives me akithesia (how do you spell it?)
I like your sense of humour. Anyway, it's akathisia :) Unlike you to not know a spelling!
I couldn't watch your video link because like most things it has been made 'unavailable in your country'. I think I found the right song via a search though. I enjoyed it. Thanks Sigi.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 4:49:45
In reply to Most relaxing classical..., posted by ed_uk2010 on November 29, 2013, at 11:57:35
D. Scarlatti K27, played on piano. This is sublime and so unique for the 1750s. Like nothing else.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 6:19:12
In reply to D. Scarlatti. Ahead of his time., posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 4:49:45
Scott Ross on harpsichord, a very expressive performance, not too fast or showy. I like the hand-crossing. Scott sadly died of AIDS in 1989 (aged only 38), so this must be quite an old recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKrhlML66fM
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 12:30:07
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop... » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 4:26:22
The hip hop song I put up has the immortal line 'Look how great we have become'. Bombs by Faithless. Our countries and our leaders: Did Howard really say he would be America's deputy sherrif in Asia? And Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch, that other great Australian, such great friends.
The one I liked most wasAnd Bononcini's version was based on the 'same' piece by Francesco Cavalli.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 13:28:44
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop..., posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 12:30:07
>The one I liked most was....Cavalli (the original!)
You are a true traditionalist Sigi (does that even make sense?)
The Cavalli is in a much older style.
Posted by johnLA on December 3, 2013, at 19:45:34
In reply to Re: cuz i can't stop... » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 3, 2013, at 13:28:44
hi ed-
i'm not sure if i missed it, but do you have a music background?
your knowledge (and taste) in music is awesome.
if i get back to teaching i might be calling on you for recommendations!
thanks for all the good links.
john
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:12:46
In reply to for ed_uk2010, posted by johnLA on December 3, 2013, at 19:45:34
Eddy has a taste for the baroque, doesn't he?
I wanted to find Reiner Goldberg singing Florestan's Aria from Fidelio, with the Budapest some people or other but it was not on youtube. The first few times I was so breathless listening to it, quite overcome. Something to do with his phrasing, though that might not be the right term, with his pace.
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:23:03
In reply to Re: for ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:12:46
I'm too stupid for fugues. I listen to the Well Tempered Clavier often enough but.......
Counterpoint is fine, but again there is the stupidness factor.
I quite like the idea of getting cancer and giving up on the world and living on morphine, green tea, raw fish and fugues. Very traditional, with a nod to Japan.
Any ideas?
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:24:04
In reply to Re: for ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:23:03
Was that Scarlatti all counterpoint?
I should listen to it again.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 3:48:19
In reply to for ed_uk2010, posted by johnLA on December 3, 2013, at 19:45:34
You're welcome, and thank you. I don't have a background in music though. I've not played for well over 10 years either. Just a casual listener!
> hi ed-
>
> i'm not sure if i missed it, but do you have a music background?
>
> your knowledge (and taste) in music is awesome.
>
> if i get back to teaching i might be calling on you for recommendations!
>
> thanks for all the good links.
>
> john
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 4:15:34
In reply to Re: for ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:24:04
> Was that Scarlatti all counterpoint?
>
> I should listen to it again.No, Scarlatti is rarely contrapunctal.
JS. Bach was the master of counterpoint. Sometimes he did it to absolute perfection, other times it seemed more like a demonstration of what is humanly possible, and the beauty was lost (in my opinion). For example, in Bach's 'The Art of Fugue', the earlier simpler fugues are so much more beautiful to me than the later more technically complicated variations (rather like a mathematical exercises). Others will no doubt disagree.
Here is the very first Art of Fugue (Contrapunctus 1). I recommend listening to it a few times to appreciate the subtleties. Here, fugal perfection is achieved. You can hear the initial theme repeated by the various 'voices' during the piece.
Watch it played (on piano).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39pnJWQ6Hw
With the sheet music, on harpsichord. I love to see the music. I can read it but not play it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXkN0TKZotA
If the fugues proved a little too heavy. How about this delicious little piece from Francois Couperin's Les Barricades Mysterieuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj33HliB5v0
Some prefer it on piano, which is easy to find on YouTube :)
Or perhaps some Jean-Phillipe Rameau? Very different French style to Couperin. This is quite an electric performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrj9qtyxlWg
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 6:07:19
In reply to Re: for ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 21:24:04
Vivaldi was not a greater write of fugue. He used very little formal counterpoint in his music, and apparently found fugue-writing difficult. To be quite frank, Vivaldi's music various from sublime to trite and banal. He often had to write concertos with exceptional speed for small concerts, and it shows. On the other hand, he best music is just fantastic. Perhaps surprisingly, some of the fugal-style music he did write was a great success. Here are a few examples. Bear in mind, Vivald's fugues are not always strict fugues like Bach's. He preferred instead to write whatever sounded right, be it a proper fugue or not. His fugues are always short. It think it's generally recognised that he did not find them easy to write.
Vivaldi - Sonata a quattro, Al Santo Sepolcro. I've only posted a link to the fugue, not the calm sleepy introduction (which is great in its own way, like night music). This version of the fugue is very fast. There are many slower versions available online if you prefer, some almost to the point of being turgid (wrong word, but never mind). Still, I find this version somewhat rivitalising even though it is a bit rushed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9djDrfOUN8Vivaldi - Kyrie Eleison (Lord, have mercy).
This is a beautiful choral piece in general. The sequence of chords at the beginning was a favourite of Vivaldi, he used it in several different pieces, including other parts of the mass. Anyway, the fugue (or at least the counterpoint) starts at 7:00 minutes, if you'd like to skip to it using the bar at the bottom. I do recommend listening to the whole piece though. The fugal finale sounds a bit pointless without the build up.
Performed here by the excellent King's Consort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-2e8VUgrEw
Here is another great example of Vivaldian counterpoint, the Cruxifixus, from Credo RV591. The fugue starts at 3:40 mins and is undoubtedly the most touching part of the piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPkhIizEvM
Most of the other Italian Baroque composers wrote more contrapunctal work than Vivaldi (although not to the extent of the Germans)... but their fugues were always more informal than Bach.
You may enjoy this Albinoni, some of his earliest work, from Opus 1. The trio sonatas of Opus 1 are a mixture of energising fugal allegros and generally non/less fugal largos.
This is Sonata no 3. I think my favourite bit is at 4:55 mins, it's just so full of joy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp1YZc26mng
Hope you enjoy - and don't feel bombarded!
Posted by sigismund on December 4, 2013, at 12:50:07
In reply to Fugues from unexpected sources » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 6:07:19
Thanks Eddy, I will listen with interest. I had the radio on yesterday and heard something, the patchwork nature of which said to me 'ah, counterpoint!'. Something by Albinoni.
Posted by sigismund on December 4, 2013, at 16:50:09
In reply to Fugues from unexpected sources » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 6:07:19
I had a thing about the B minor mass for a few years about 20 years ago. I have Klemperer conducting it and it is a big heavy massively articulated rather slow performance which I love.
One year around Easter I was listening to the St Mathew Passion a little before dawn and Mache Dich Mein Herze Rein had this endless quality in the silence of the morning.
Posted by sigismund on December 4, 2013, at 19:56:56
In reply to Fugues from unexpected sources » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 6:07:19
In part of me I feel disdain and more for Christian theology. At the same time I have always loved the psychology of the Mass. Christianity is such a big subject, so many reasons to love it, so many to hate it. So I like church music. I got hold of many Masses from the classical, fewer from the baroque, although Palestrina and Victoria, yes.
Posted by sigismund on December 4, 2013, at 20:10:45
In reply to Re: Fugues from unexpected sources, posted by sigismund on December 4, 2013, at 16:50:09
Christianity is such a big subject. So much to either love or hate. But I have always loved the Mass, the psychology of it.
I prefer not to understand the words. Sung German is (to me) so unexpectedly beautiful. This carries me away......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM16AYlGP7g
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