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Posted by Jakeman on July 2, 2005, at 0:56:06
In reply to This subject line makes me blush..., posted by Emily Elizabeth on July 1, 2005, at 16:52:03
> But I'll answer anyway. ;) I'm a busty girl and I am always envious of girls who are flat b/c
Hope you don't mind me buttin in..but it's a myth that guys want big busts. surely there's some researh out there..;-)
~Jake
Posted by Jakeman on July 2, 2005, at 0:58:47
In reply to Re: This subject line makes me blush..., posted by Jakeman on July 2, 2005, at 0:56:06
> > But I'll answer anyway. ;) I'm a busty girl and I am always envious of girls who are flat b/c
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> Hope you don't mind me buttin in..but it's a myth that guys want big busts. surely there's some researh out there..;-)
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> ~JakeEscuse me I spoke too soon. Some of yall say flat is better. Nevermind. We're all good.
~J
Posted by ed_uk on July 2, 2005, at 7:21:08
In reply to Boobs :-P, posted by Deneb on July 1, 2005, at 12:09:58
Small boobs = pert boobs?!
~Ed
Posted by GreySkyEyes on July 2, 2005, at 23:03:20
In reply to Boobs :-P, posted by Deneb on July 1, 2005, at 12:09:58
Boobs come in 2 sizes: too big, and too small.
~gse
Posted by gabbii on July 3, 2005, at 13:24:53
In reply to Re: This subject line makes me blush... » gabbii, posted by Jazzed on July 1, 2005, at 21:24:01
> I know this wasn't written about breasts but "The bigger they are, the harder they fall"
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I know, and it's not nice!It's bad enough that I feel like Helga the Beer Frau whenever I try on a pretty little summer dress, but now I have to deal with gravity too!
Posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 16:38:51
In reply to Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » Jazzed, posted by gabbii on July 3, 2005, at 13:24:53
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> It's bad enough that I feel like Helga the Beer Frau whenever I try on a pretty little summer dress, but now I have to deal with gravity too!
>Okay, that's it breast reduction and breast lift later this year!!! Seriously!
Jazzy
Posted by gabbii on July 3, 2005, at 17:15:30
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » gabbii, posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 16:38:51
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> Okay, that's it breast reduction and breast lift later this year!!! Seriously!
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> JazzyDo you think you, and Emily and I could get a group discount?
Posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 18:00:00
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » Jazzed, posted by gabbii on July 3, 2005, at 17:15:30
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> Do you think you, and Emily and I could get a group discount?I don't know, but I'm serious, I already have an appt to see a plastic surgeon in Sept., so if you want to join me in my pain, let's go! LOL Have you ever seen HOW they do the surgery? You have to want it really badly to do it. Yikes!
I like my boobs, just wish they were a teeny bit smaller, maybe 2 cups sizes? And, the gravity thing - that's just a bad joke on women! Oh, and what the heck is up with the nursing? So ya give the kid your right one just a little more often, and they're never even ever again! Geeze! What's up with that?! It all kinda sucks ... get it, sucks? LOLJazzy
Posted by TamaraJ on July 3, 2005, at 18:14:34
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » Jazzed, posted by gabbii on July 3, 2005, at 17:15:30
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Hey, count me in for the group discount, please.
Posted by TamaraJ on July 3, 2005, at 18:23:56
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » gabbii, posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 18:00:00
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> I don't know, but I'm serious, I already have an appt to see a plastic surgeon in Sept., so if you want to join me in my pain, let's go! LOL Have you ever seen HOW they do the surgery? You have to want it really badly to do it. Yikes!
> I like my boobs, just wish they were a teeny bit smaller, maybe 2 cups sizes? And, the gravity thing - that's just a bad joke on women! Oh, and what the heck is up with the nursing? So ya give the kid your right one just a little more often, and they're never even ever again! Geeze! What's up with that?! It all kinda sucks ... get it, sucks? LOL
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A friend of mine had it done last year (no reduction, but a lift). She said it was a bit painful after the surgery, but it was worth it. Another woman I work with had a reduction, mostly because she was starting to have back problems. Me, I figure I've lived with them big for this long, I can put up with them a while longer LOL. But, yeah, I do envy those who have perky ones and can wear skimpy shirts and stuff.Tamara
Posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 18:49:30
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » Jazzed, posted by TamaraJ on July 3, 2005, at 18:23:56
> A friend of mine had it done last year (no reduction, but a lift). She said it was a bit painful after the surgery, but it was worth it. Another woman I work with had a reduction, mostly because she was starting to have back problems. Me, I figure I've lived with them big for this long, I can put up with them a while longer LOL. But, yeah, I do envy those who have perky ones and can wear skimpy shirts and stuff.
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> TamaraI figure if I get a lift, I better get them reduced a bit, or I'll be in the same boat some years from now. I also run, so I worry about how long it will take me to get back to that activity. I hope the recovery time isn't bad.
Jazzy
Posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2005, at 19:51:15
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » TamaraJ, posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 18:49:30
I have to laugh! When my husband and I look at girl's and women's boobs we wonder if they are real or natural. With boob jobs so popular you never know. But when someone is lying on the beach and they stick straight up in the air they're fake no doubt. I also see really skinny women bend over to tend to a child and they look really fake, I mean really fake. Hear a lot of teens are getting boob jobs for graduation. That's sick. The real thing reguardless of size is what's best. Who wants to squeeze a fake hard boob. Now if they are really large and causing back problems that's a reason to get reduction. My husband's twin is huge with back problems. She definitely needs them reduced. She's a double D. As far as pleasing a man is concerned I don't think many of them really care. Most men unless they're boob men don't care about size. If you want to satisfy yourself with how you look that's another issue, but I've felt them in the plastic surgeon's office and they look and feel like I don't know rubber? silicone? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by TamaraJ on July 3, 2005, at 21:15:37
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » TamaraJ, posted by Jazzed on July 3, 2005, at 18:49:30
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> I figure if I get a lift, I better get them reduced a bit, or I'll be in the same boat some years from now. I also run, so I worry about how long it will take me to get back to that activity. I hope the recovery time isn't bad.
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-- Then, it's probably a good idea to go for the reduction at the same time. My friend didn't really have a problem with size, but, after having two kids, she said her problem was more the gravity thing and it bothered her. Anyway, if I am remembering right, she took a couple of weeks off work to heal, and said she felt a bit sore for a week or two after that. But, she said it was worth it. The woman I work with took more time off work, but she had other work done as well (I think she also had a tummy tuck or something like that).Tamara
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 1:46:12
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth, posted by TamaraJ on July 3, 2005, at 18:14:34
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> Hey, count me in for the group discount, please.
Well, since Jazzy already has hers planned, I guess it's you and I. It'll be easier anyway because you're Canadian too aren't you?I'll pay you back.. I promise : )
Posted by TamaraJ on July 4, 2005, at 10:08:06
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 1:46:12
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> Well, since Jazzy already has hers planned, I guess it's you and I. It'll be easier anyway because you're Canadian too aren't you?
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> I'll pay you back.. I promise : )
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>I know you're good for it :-) Hey, maybe you can come to Colombia when I go with my brother and his wife to visit her family, and we can have our work done there. Accordingly to my sister-in-law, it's quite cheap to get that kind of stuff done there, and the work is pretty good (a friend of hers has had stuff done, so that's how she knows).
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 13:56:23
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » gabbii, posted by TamaraJ on July 4, 2005, at 10:08:06
> I know you're good for it :-) Hey, maybe you can come to Colombia when I go with my brother and his wife to visit her family, and we can have our work done there. Accordingly to my sister-in-law, it's quite cheap to get that kind of stuff done there, and the work is pretty good (a friend of hers has had stuff done, so that's how she knows).
>Wow, it's hard for me to fathom that there are some people who could actually say "Hey, great idea, I'd love to" There really are, I know they're real I've seen them, even talked with them a few times, and they have arms and legs and a head just like me..
I suppose a girl who has to decide between food or aspirin shouldn't really allow herself to fantasize about these things..***string instruments here***
I saw some pictures in a magazine once about people who got collagen injections from back alley "Doctors"
Oh my, it was so gruesome, some of the women had the collagen migrate to other areas of their face or body and it was in a huge mass.. and it can't be fixed.
I'm generally pretty happy with the way I look, and think that kind of thing is a bit excessive, but when I had this nasty skin infection on my face I realized how lucky I was, and just how desperate you can be when you wake up feeling ugly for whatever reason.. And I could undersand why these women were desperate enough to do something so foolish. I just thought it was so awful, feeling bad enough about your looks to do that, and then ending up looking like a monster.Oh my.. what a lengthy post, I think I made my coffee a bit strong this morning, Sorry Tamara.
Posted by TamaraJ on July 4, 2005, at 14:14:21
In reply to Make me blush... » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 13:56:23
> Wow, it's hard for me to fathom that there are some people who could actually say "Hey, great idea, I'd love to" There really are, I know they're real I've seen them, even talked with them a few times, and they have arms and legs and a head just like me..
> I suppose a girl who has to decide between food or aspirin shouldn't really allow herself to fantasize about these things..
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> I saw some pictures in a magazine once about people who got collagen injections from back alley "Doctors"
> Oh my, it was so gruesome, some of the women had the collagen migrate to other areas of their face or body and it was in a huge mass.. and it can't be fixed.
> I'm generally pretty happy with the way I look, and think that kind of thing is a bit excessive, but when I had this nasty skin infection on my face I realized how lucky I was, and just how desperate you can be when you wake up feeling ugly for whatever reason.. And I could undersand why these women were desperate enough to do something so foolish. I just thought it was so awful, feeling bad enough about your looks to do that, and then ending up looking like a monster.
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> Oh my.. what a lengthy post, I think I made my coffee a bit strong this morning, Sorry Tamara.
>LOL. Gotta love that strong coffee :-)
What I am finding incomprehensible is teenage girls, still in high school or about to graduate, who are getting plastic surgery!! It's crazy. I mean, it is invasive surgery. And, what, so they can have a nose like Brittany Spears?!?!? And, look at what Meg Ryan did to herself. Why? She was so pretty, and didn't need any plastic surgery. Anyay, like you, I am not unhappy with the way I look. I don't have any glaring imperfections, (unless you consider that third eye an imperfection. I, personally, consider it an asset :-)) But, I know what you mean about what some people must go through. There is a girl where I work and she has this really bad skin condition, it's almost like her skin is melting and falling off her face or something. And, her eyes are really bloodshot. She always walks with her head down and her hair hanging in her face. I got to know her after a while because whenever I would pass her in the hall or something, I would say hi and ask how she was doing. And, once she started opening up, she is a really nice person. But, I am sure, because of her appearance, she avoids a lot of social contact. An old friend of mine was not a particularly attractive girl - a Barbara Streisand type nose, eyes too close together, heavy set . . . Yet, her mother raised her to believe she was beautiful. And, you know what, she always got the good-looking guy she wanted and just exuded confidence and sexuality. Funny, eh?
And, now I apologize for the lengthy post. And, I can't even blame strong coffee, just a bad case of verbal diarreah!
Posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 15:06:00
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 1:46:12
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I have an appt to see a surgeon, but it's not set yet, but I've been wanting to do this for awhile. So, how's that work in Canada? Will health ins. pay for it, IF you're having back problems? My cousin is about 15 years younger than I am, and I remember when she became fully developed, before she ever had kids, I think she was a DD! Her mom wanted her to have the surgery then. I don't think she ever did. Now she has 4 kids, don't know if they got bigger, haven't seen her in eons. Oh well. Feel sorry for girls who reach adolescents and right away have really big boobs. Hard to develop your self esteem when all the boys are googling your boobs. Probably makes you think you are your body. I don't know that wasn't a prob. for me as a teen. I had really cute, perky little B's.Jazzy
Posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 15:10:12
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » gabbii, posted by TamaraJ on July 4, 2005, at 10:08:06
Did any of you ever watch The Swan? I loved that show! I know some people think it's sick to want to totally change, but I'd love to have a lot done. Boob job, tummy tuck, liposuction in a few areas, brow lift. The one doctor on that show was really good, more of an artist. Oh, and I'd love the personal training that they got. I exercise about 3 hours a day anyway, might as well have someone behind me kicking my *ss about it, and teaching me how to do it right. I don't think I could do the diet though. I love my diet coke and an occasional 6 pack of oreos.
Jazzy
Posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 15:17:49
In reply to Make me blush... » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 13:56:23
> I saw some pictures in a magazine once about people who got collagen injections from back alley "Doctors"this situation wasn't exactly that bad, but did you see Meg Ryan after she has some "work" done? She was SO cute before she had it done, and I don't know exactly what she had done, collagen or lip enhancement, but it didn't turn out well at all. People were pretty cruel. Haven't seen her since.
> Oh my, it was so gruesome, some of the women had the collagen migrate to other areas of their face or body and it was in a huge mass.. and it can't be fixed.Well, I guess I'll pass on that kinds of stuff then! YIKES!!
> Oh my.. what a lengthy post, I think I made my coffee a bit strong this morning, Sorry Tamara.
>LOL, you go girl! Keeps things interesting! AND, thank you for putting everything in perspective! Sometimes I need a good dose of that!
Jazzy
Posted by caraher on July 4, 2005, at 15:54:23
In reply to Re: Make me blush... » gabbii, posted by TamaraJ on July 4, 2005, at 14:14:21
> An old friend of mine was not a particularly attractive girl - a Barbara Streisand type nose, eyes too close together, heavy set . . . Yet, her mother raised her to believe she was beautiful. And, you know what, she always got the good-looking guy she wanted and just exuded confidence and sexuality. Funny, eh?
That confidence is so much of attractiveness. But here's the thing I wonder about the purely cosmetic surgeries... people say it will make them feel better about themselves, give them more confidence, etc. Maybe it does... but I wonder. Do they just find something else to be insecure about? Or carry around in their head somewhere the notion that yeah, now I look great but only because of a surgeon's talent.
I guess I'd rather see the teens have someone invest in their lives rather than their plastic surgeons. The positive results might be more lasting and certain.
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 16:59:17
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth, posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 15:10:12
> Did any of you ever watch The Swan? I loved that show! I know some people think it's sick to want to totally change, but I'd love to have a lot done. Boob job, tummy tuck, liposuction in a few areas, brow lift. The one doctor on that show was really good, more of an artist.
Well I never saw the show, I tried once, but I could not sit through it, it wasn't moral indignation I think I was just bored.
I saw a picture of the winners though, and honestly I thought they looked awful in it. Perhaps it was the gowns they were wearing but I thought they looked like amateur drag queens, and I hate those identical chiclet teeth.I have so many conflicting thoughts on surgery,
although I'm firm on the fact that it's a personal choice, and we never know that what seems insignificant to us may torment someone else. I mean, you hear people often say "Well it's okay if someone is disfigured, or if they say have a HUGE nose, but other than that it's just wrong"
Someone may not be bothered by their large nose though, like Tamara pointed out, and someone else may feel disfigured because of something most consider relatively minor, who are we to say?
I also think in a way cosmetic surgery is somewhat of an equalizer (of course money is still an issue) Society has always based so much on looks, your life can be defined for you because of extreme looks one way or the other, and now those who once felt like subhumans and were treated as such can have the opportunity to feel like part of the world.
We're biologically programmed to be affected by appearance, that's not going to change any time soon.. And rather than begetting a preoccupation with looks, I wonder if having those things that bother someone taken care of could actually free them to be more themselves, and focus on other things.
I cringe at the thought of teenagers getting everything changed though. The way I wanted to look as a teenager is nothing compared to what I admire in appearance now.On the other hand, the personal is political, and buying into the appearance obsession makes it more difficult for those who cannot, or choose not to. I wonder if children will ask why their mom has all those wrinkles and the other moms don't.
I really do think that women who are confident are the true beauties, I sincerely feel that,
I think Georgia O'keefe was amazing looking..
I just don't think it's realistic to think everyone can achieve that sort of confidence.I'm pretty sure though, that if I had an excess of money, I'd have a few things done, not on my face (now anyway) But I'd love to be able to effortlessly slip into any type of clothing I wanted to, without having to think about covering this, or that.. wow, just one day of that would be heavenly..
Oh Gosh, I've gone on again.
You shouldn't encourage me Jazzy!
Posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 19:03:11
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » Jazzed, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 16:59:17
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LOL, food for thought Gabbi, food for thought!How's this one for you...... we know a woman whose daughter is ADHD. The daughter is now in 6th grade. She was a mediocre student at best before medication, but once on medication she did really well, her concentration was good, her grades improved, and she wasn't as hyperactive.
The daughter was just a bit overweight, and the mom was obese. For a variety of reasons, the mom decided to have bariatric surgery, and over a year lost about 100 pounds. She looks and feels good, although she does have some problems because of her inability to absorb the proper amount of nutrients.
About a year ago, the mom decided that the daughter needed to learn to cope with the symptoms of her ADHD, and she didn't want her on medication anymore, so she cut her down, then cut her off. Along with her grades suffering, the hyperactivity came back, and she gained about 15. She asked her mom if she could go back on the meds. The mom said, "this is not the way we lose weight." I couldn't believe the selfish message she was sending.
My interpretation, "No, you will have to learn to overcome the way you were wired. You will have to face this illness without the benefit of the medication that I agreed to put you on. The medication that helped you focus and do better in school. The medication that probably helped control your impulsiveness so that you didn't eat excessively. However, when you are grown, like me, and are obese, then we'll just get you bariatric surgery. That's how we lose weight."
I couldn't believe the message she was sending, esp. since I knew that this woman had been on every weight loss medication out there. She knew her daughter is ADHD, and refuses to allow her to continue on the meds that were helping her. ARGH!!! My rant!
Jazzy
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2005, at 19:29:33
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 1:46:12
I have a lot to say. But first what did Meg Ryan do to her face? She's still young.
Now, I'm older than you all are obvious by your posts but it's very hard to age. When you're young you think you're invincible and will never get old. But my theory was that my husband is l3 years younger than I am and I've been out of work due to illness for 8 years and scared to go back. Very needy now. I thought if I got a facelift I could gain back the years I lost and enter the job market looking l0 years younger. I really am old. Got the facelift with a lot of complications. They are gone now but it's not what I expected. I still have lines between my nose and on my forhead and around my mouth. A facelift just gives you scars and supposedly makes you look "freshened". They did remove a lot of skin[turkey neck] and my profile is better. But the remaining wrinkles? Still there and the only way to get them to look better is the fillers. Collagen, Hydroform, Restalyn, Radiance. Well I got the collegen and hyroform compliments of the doc since I'd had so many complications. But it didn't work. I go back at the end of the month and it will cost me about l500 dollars I don't have. And I don't feel or look l0 years younger. Those movie stars have so much done to them that it cost them 40 thousand or more. The average facelift is around 8000. So am I ready to go into the job market? It didn't change my mind, how it thinks. I'm still the same insecure person I was before. And I wanted a tummytuck too. But never again. I'll just get old. Oh the injections only last a few months if they work at all. I guess I should feel lucky what happened to Farrah Fawcett didn't happen to me. Remember her? But we're the same age. So I guess I'll just have to stop thinking about looks so much and look inside. It's your mind that keeps you young. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 20:57:02
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » gabbii, posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 19:03:11
> How's this one for you...... we know a woman whose daughter is ADHD. The daughter is now in 6th grade. She was a mediocre student at best before medication, but once on medication she did really well, her concentration was good, her grades improved, and she wasn't as hyperactive.
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> The daughter was just a bit overweight, and the mom was obese. For a variety of reasons, the mom decided to have bariatric surgery, and over a year lost about 100 pounds. She looks and feels good, although she does have some problems because of her inability to absorb the proper amount of nutrients.
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> About a year ago, the mom decided that the daughter needed to learn to cope with the symptoms of her ADHD, and she didn't want her on medication anymore, so she cut her down, then cut her off. Along with her grades suffering, the hyperactivity came back, and she gained about 15. She asked her mom if she could go back on the meds. The mom said, "this is not the way we lose weight." I couldn't believe the selfish message she was sending.That subject did make me blush.. or flush I should say.
Oh my God that is awful! How frustrating for the Daughter, that's abuse. It's like denying a wheelchair to someone who is unable to walk.
Oh that's so cruel...This is her whole life..
Oh that poor girl. Maybe she should act so terrible and do so many pre-planned "impulsive" things that her mother will get exasperated and let her go back on them.Back to your other question, I think reductions are covered by insurance here if they are causing health problems. I'd have to develop back pain though, right now all I have is esthetic pain..
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