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Posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 15:41:28
In reply to Re: A request from Lou to Kid_A. » kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 15:20:04
As I said in my previous post I have neither the time, inclination, or desire to preruse the entire context of a site that for all purposes I had no advance warning had any amount of anti semitic remarks contained within... And, given the context of what I post, I do not feel it is within the realm of my responsibility to provide some sort of disclaimer concerning the possible offense that someone may take against some part of content that I neither ENDORSE nor did I WRITE... And where did you get the notion, from what context of my post did you infer that I DID endorse said content???I am not posting what I feel may be possibly OFFESNSIVE material, by and large the site is just an amalgamation of crackpot conspiracy and idiocy, and I found it humorous in that context... I DO NOT, TO SATISFY YOUR INQUIRY find antisemitism the least bit amusing, and I find your acusation to defend my innocense unjust and insulting...
to quote you "I asked for a disclaimer for without one the post stands for what it says."
yes it does, it stands for the fact that there is a lone and disturbed individual in this world with too much time on his hands, fanatical ideas not just inclusive of anti-semitism, with unfortunate access to a html editor... thats about it Lou.
Posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 15:57:54
In reply to Ron: that's not quite true. » Ron Hill, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 15:39:40
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 16:08:46
In reply to Re: FYI » kid_A, posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 15:33:44
Posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 16:33:16
In reply to Are you an Attorney? (nm) » Ron Hill, posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 16:08:46
Kiddo,
Funny you should ask since about five minutes ago I was lamenting the fact that I failed to include a disclaimer at the end of my prior post.
I am not an attorney. The information in my prior post was communicated to me by an attorney. He has argued numerous cases before the US Supreme Court and has won a couple of important landmark cases. Therefore, he should know what he is talking about.
-- Ron
Posted by fi on May 22, 2002, at 16:34:15
In reply to Re: FYI » kid_A, posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 15:33:44
2 points:
1. Ron: these Boards are *not* publically funded. Dr Bob has made it clear that he pays from his personal money for the server space, and all the work on the boards is done in his own time. So no U of Chicago funding is used. And the civility policy is explicit. So can you please consider that really carefully before bringing this up again? If you feel that any sort of civility policy is a breach of free speech in general and want to discuss that, fine(tho any of us may choose to disagree). But the legal perspective does not appear to fit the facts.
2. We dont have to read Lou's posts, and get drawn into these debates. Of course, we can choose to read them. But I havent regretted stopping reading these threads, personally. It does concern me that they may put off people new to the board, or 'lurking'.
Sorry- this sounds stroppier than I meant it to. I would just like things to calm down a little, and also dont want people to be bogged down when its avoidable.
I dont need a reply from either of you, tho of course you may want to post in response. Lou: please dont take the time to reply to this post with a post for me, as I wont be reading any more posts in this thread.
Fi
> > If we want to make a start at fostering an environment on this site for mutual support lets start and remove repeated religiously dogmatic posts from the site entirely. Im sorry to say this Lou, but I'm persoanlly sick and tired of all the Gates, the Horsemen, the Crowns, and whatever logic you construe as your personal twist of saving grace.
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> Hi Kid_A,
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> I don't want to stir this pot further, and I do not want to offend anyone. Therefore, please categorize this post as "informational only".
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> Due to the fact that the University of Chicago receives federal (US) grant monies, it is illegal to discriminate against public speech on this site solely due to the fact that the speech happens to be religious in nature. In other words, the law does not allow for censorship of religious speech merely because some, or even most, of the public forum participants vote to discriminate against said type of speech.
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> Having said this, I can also see the other side of the issue. For example, what if someone were to flood this site with a bazillion posts daily that contain religious speech? In this hypothetical case, it would be legal to, for example, limit the number of allowable posts per day of ALL POSTERS, but it would be illegal to selectively censor only those posts that contain religious speech.
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> Best Wishes.
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> -- Ron
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 16:37:00
In reply to Re: Are you an Attorney? » kiddo, posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 16:33:16
Yes, in theory...does he have a name, perhaps? I don't understand how attornies can view and come out with two completely different answers.
Kiddo
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 16:39:53
In reply to Ron: *not* funded/all: coping with Lou's threads, posted by fi on May 22, 2002, at 16:34:15
Posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 16:50:06
In reply to Re: Are you an Attorney?, posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 16:37:00
> Yes, in theory...does he have a name, perhaps?
----------------------Kiddo,
Yes, he has a name, of course, but I do not have his permission to post that information.
-- Ron
Posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 17:13:01
In reply to Re: Are you an Attorney? » kiddo, posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 16:50:06
***WARNING*** It is my duty to warn you that if you are in any way disturbed by bunnies, bracketed nonsensical pseudo-english meant to be taken as the thought process of said bunny, inane public journal sites, or human beings that may spend more social time with their bunnies then with any human being on this planet, I URGE YOU PLEASE do NOT click on the following link.This warning has been a paid announcement of The Promise Keepers, uh no, the Primitive Baptists, errrhhmm, Cao Daists... thats not right, SATAN HIMSELF... that oughta do it.
Posted by CtrlAlt n Del on May 22, 2002, at 18:18:48
In reply to Kid A comes Clean. A -completely- unoffensive site, posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 17:13:01
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Posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 18:59:18
In reply to Ron: *not* funded/all: coping with Lou's threads, posted by fi on May 22, 2002, at 16:34:15
>So no U of Chicago funding is used. And the civility policy is explicit. So can you please consider that really carefully before bringing this up again?
-------------------Fi,
Why the abrasive tone of voice?
I don't want to get bogged down in a lengthy discussion on this topic. We can leave that for the attorneys. However, I will respond briefly to your comment.
The U of C is subject to federal anti-discrimination laws because it receives federal grant monies. Yes, I know it is a private institution, but if you go to the U of C web site, accounting records are available. In those accounting records you will note that U of C accepts federal grant monies. Pbabble is associated with the U of C at a number of connection points, one of which is the routing of donation funds through a U of C account. Much more could be said about other connections but, in the interest of time, I'll leave it at that.
I was not trying to be mean to anyone in any way. I was merely pointing out to Kid_A that his/her suggestion to "remove repeated religiously dogmatic posts from the site entirely" would likely be a violation of federal law if implemented.
-- Ron
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 19:35:57
In reply to Re: Pbabble Connections with U of C È fi, posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 18:59:18
But the very fact that you have asked lawyers to look into this subject is a curiosity to us all, I believe. If I remember correctly, you began this quest when someone was asked not to post slogans of any kind (religious ones are not the only ones excluded; you can't say "Eat at Joe's" at the bottom of each post, either), as he had done in almost every post. You followed it with a note on PBA, which sounded, to me (I'm not accusing) like you were threatening to call a lawyer because you felt someone's rights were being trampled on.
I asked you once why you were doing it, but you did not answer, so I will not ask again. But my course uses a book on the subject of internet law, so I asked the author about the specific posts in question. He said he found nothing in the rules that broke any laws or that was unconstitutional. Dr. Bob, however, has already looked into it prior to building this site, and this person is one of the folks quoted.
I have no doubt he knows what he's doing, but I don't understand the desire to bring legal action against someone who has created such a nice place for you to sell your product (hahaha) and make friends like me. That baffles my mind.
beardy : )>
Posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 19:37:54
In reply to Re: Pbabble Connections with U of C » fi, posted by Ron Hill on May 22, 2002, at 18:59:18
To quote, Dr. Bob's intention of this board, "This is a message board for mutual support and education. It focuses on non-medication-related issues (including "just" being social)."I supose that if I wanted to fill the board and every post related or not with comments about my 1990 Jetta GLI 16 Valve automobile then by God Damn, I should be able to do so by protection of my ?First? ammendment rights...
If you want to discuss Theology, then go to a board whose topic revolves around that, I for one don't need to be fed religious dogma as an answer to my psychological problems.
What federal law are you refering to? I highly doubt that that the UNIV of Chicago who may in some strained relation may be responsible for the existance of this board would feel that posts that are destructive to the overall usefullness of this forum deserve their place amoungst all the other contributory and relative posts. Remember that a number of Dr. Bob's persoanl research and study involves the active observation of this community, and when that community falls apart due to off topic and disruptive posts, that serves him no good whatsoever...
More than one person, including Dr. Bob, has expressed their concerns regarding "pressuring", and now, this conduct has gotten worse, reeling into the advice of the glory of giving up medication alltogether, medication which for many people makes it possible to live somewhat bareable lives...
These posts are irresponsible, offtopic, and destructive to other users ability to seek and achieve support from this board, and that is now hopefully fostering into a commonly held opinion...
I care not for your fey references to the vagueness of law... This is my board in as much as I have made it my safeharbor and outlet, as well as the many other contributive poster's board, and I thank those who have contributed in meaningfull and productive ways. I will not watch it become a soapbox for someone's own personal religious agenda.
There is a time and place for religious discussion, even on this board, but I think that boundry has been crossed.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:12:38
In reply to FRUSTRATED FRUSTRATED FRUSTRATED » Ron Hill, posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 19:37:54
Friends,
When I was 7 years old, I was in downtown Cincinati with my father. We were standng in front of Woolworth's dept. store. There were people beng beaten by police and jeered by white people because they wanted to eat at the lunch counter there. I asked my father to explain this injustice to me. He said, "Lou, the owners of the store do not want black people to eat at the lunch counter because the white people do not want them to allow black people at the counter. The owners say tht they own the store and therfore they can kick out the black people because the white people do not want them there."
Even as a small child, I felt the lash of descrimination along with those corageous black people that wanted equality. I remember the manager comming out and yelling, "this store is for whites, you (expletive) go to another resturant that serves blacks." "We have rights", yelled out the black people.
Just as they chanted that, the police rained in blows with clubs and arrested them. The polce were all white people.
It took years of litigation before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that owners of any establishment could not bar anyone for wanting equal rights. Segregation was over in 1954.
There are still some exemptions to the law. Some Country clubs will not allow Tiger Woods to play there because of his skin color. I do not know of any other exemptions.
Now I will never forget those absolutly blessed people that stood up to Woolworth's dept. store on tht steamy hot day in Cincinnati when I was a child. They were an inspiration to me, and they showed me that all men are created equal, and they showed me that we could all overcome and they showed me that there is a God in Heaven that will lift up the people that are cast down and give them the Crown of Life.
Lou
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 20:19:12
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
Why not ask Dr. Bob to create a religious/theology site, and that should make Lou and all of the 'attorneys' happy....then all of the posts could go there or be deleted....
Kiddo
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 20:21:58
In reply to Lou responds (partial) » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:12:38
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 20:23:14
In reply to Lou responds (partial) » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:12:38
Posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 20:26:18
In reply to The land taken from Indians? (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 20:23:14
Posted by alIi on May 22, 2002, at 20:26:28
In reply to Religion and Theology, posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 20:19:12
> Why not ask Dr. Bob to create a religious/theology site, and that should make Lou and all of the 'attorneys' happy....then all of the posts could go there or be deleted....
> Kiddo
Oh yeah....kiddo is onto something here. I second this idea!!--AlIi
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:34:02
In reply to I'm certain Lou abhors all injustice (nm) » kiddo, posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 20:26:18
Dinah 1,
Thank you for your exclamation about abhoring injustice. When I first came to this board, I was shocked that there was two boards and I was changed to the social board. I wanted only one board, for I feel that segregation is wrong in any form when it comes to thease boards. There were many here that also objected to the establishment of the new "old timers board" for similar reasons.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:42:59
In reply to Thank you Dinah 1 » Dinah1, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:34:02
Friends,
I do not know the person that is explaining to you the basics of our constitution. But all he is explaining to you is the first and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
I believe in freedom of speech and have no problems with anyone posting anything on this bord. I am not advocating blocking anyone for their speech. What am asking for, though, is to be allowed equal rights to speak. People tell of their experiance with their theripists, there pdocs, their mothers, their bowel movements, their sex lives,and their battles with themselves.
What I have been telling you is what I experianced. I did enter the City of Peace. I did have my life changed to a whole new creature. I did overcome.
Lou
Posted by ALII on May 22, 2002, at 20:55:54
In reply to Lou responds (more), posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 20:42:59
> Friends,
> I do not know the person that is explaining to you the basics of our constitution. But all he is explaining to you is the first and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
> I believe in freedom of speech and have no problems with anyone posting anything on this bord. I am not advocating blocking anyone for their speech. What am asking for, though, is to be allowed equal rights to speak. People tell of their experiance with their theripists, there pdocs, their mothers, their bowel movements, their sex lives,and their battles with themselves.
> What I have been telling you is what I experianced. I did enter the City of Peace. I did have my life changed to a whole new creature. I did overcome.
> LouLou,
I respect your right to post here as much as any poster of this forum.
You are very correct in your above statement>>>What am asking for, though, is to be allowed equal rights to speak. People tell of their experiance with their theripists, there pdocs, their mothers, their bowel movements, their sex lives,and their battles with themselves. <<<<
however each of those topics does not enter into every post. I am now posting to you to let you know that the constant sense I perceive in your tellings of your path is that you aren't interested truly in allowing others to find their own way.So far I am only hearing the city of peace from your lips. Please allow others their paths no matter how much it pains you.
Namaste,
Alii
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 20:58:23
In reply to I'm certain Lou abhors all injustice (nm) » kiddo, posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 20:26:18
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 21:17:15
In reply to AlIi to Lou, posted by ALII on May 22, 2002, at 20:55:54
Alli,
The path to the City of Peace has 7 Gates. We all have the keys to those Gates. I am telling what I experianced and how I overcame depression and addiction. What I experianced actually happend to me. I have met others throughout the world that have had similar experiances. You see, most people are waiting for God to return to Earth. I have found out that God never left the Earth. He is here now. Standing next to you. You can be in Him and He can be in you,now! When I left the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "Lo ,I am with you always, even to the end ..." You can all have God within you, now. You will be living in a different plane, a higher plane. You will no longer be shakled to your affliction. You will be free. But first you must know what you need to be free from, for your affliction is just the symptom of the slavery that we are in untill we are freed. You can be freed by knowing the truth. And that is what the Road to the Crown of Life is about. It is about being free from 3 things. I have been trying to tell those 3 things. But it can not be told in one sitting. Because it is a series of Gates that one goes through to get to the City of Peace. I have yet to explain the last 2 Gates. But those 3 things can be known now.
Lou
Posted by ALII on May 22, 2002, at 21:30:49
In reply to Lou to Alli » ALII, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 21:17:15
> Alli,
> The path to the City of Peace has 7 Gates. We all have the keys to those Gates. I am telling what I experianced and how I overcame depression and addiction. What I experianced actually happend to me. I have met others throughout the world that have had similar experiances. You see, most people are waiting for God to return to Earth. I have found out that God never left the Earth. He is here now. Standing next to you. You can be in Him and He can be in you,now! When I left the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "Lo ,I am with you always, even to the end ..." You can all have God within you, now. You will be living in a different plane, a higher plane. You will no longer be shakled to your affliction. You will be free. But first you must know what you need to be free from, for your affliction is just the symptom of the slavery that we are in untill we are freed. You can be freed by knowing the truth. And that is what the Road to the Crown of Life is about. It is about being free from 3 things. I have been trying to tell those 3 things. But it can not be told in one sitting. Because it is a series of Gates that one goes through to get to the City of Peace. I have yet to explain the last 2 Gates. But those 3 things can be known now.
> LouLou,
I respectfully decline the ending to your story.
Humbly bowing out and wishing you would extend same courtesy to others,
Alii
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