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Posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 16:49:11
In reply to Re: Handouts for Toronto » Dr. Bob, posted by fallsfall on February 6, 2006, at 8:06:01
> So you won't let us wear our rose colored glasses, huh?
:-)
> You left A's full name in on page 7...
Thanks, but in which post? I'm not seeing it...
> I find it interesting that the conflicting post that you include is from the Psych board.
I didn't mean to "pick on" Psychology, but that archive was high up in Google, and that thread was high up in that archive. And I'm supposed to talk about how I moderate, and when things are going well, I just sit around.
Plus I do think it's an interesting example because (1) the topic isn't discussed much, (2) it involved someone in the mental health field, and (3) I had to intervene twice.
But there's definitely more to the experience here than just that. That's why posters will have more time than I will. And why they'll be empowered to talk about what *they* think is important. :-)
Bob
Posted by thuso on February 6, 2006, at 18:25:06
In reply to Re: the post that you include, posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 16:49:11
> > You left A's full name in on page 7...
>
> Thanks, but in which post? I'm not seeing it...
>It is on page 7, last screen shot, 3rd to last line of the screen shot. The paragraph starts out as "P.S. I have actually read...."
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 18:28:44
In reply to Re: the post that you include » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on February 6, 2006, at 18:25:06
> It is on page 7, last screen shot, 3rd to last line of the screen shot. The paragraph starts out as "P.S. I have actually read...."
Ah, found it, thanks! And I noticed some posting names on the Effexor XR screen shot, too...
Bob
Posted by thuso on February 6, 2006, at 18:56:39
In reply to Re: the post that you include, posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 18:28:44
> > It is on page 7, last screen shot, 3rd to last line of the screen shot. The paragraph starts out as "P.S. I have actually read...."
>
> Ah, found it, thanks! And I noticed some posting names on the Effexor XR screen shot, too...
>
> BobI guess we can also be your QA for this. hahaha!
Posted by AuntieMel on March 21, 2006, at 9:49:22
In reply to Re: the post that you include » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on February 6, 2006, at 18:56:39
Dr. Bob is setting up the yahoo group for participants. If you are going to Toronto, please let him know on admin.
Posted by Deneb on April 29, 2006, at 22:58:32
In reply to Re: Toronto meeting, posted by AuntieMel on March 21, 2006, at 9:49:22
I'm not anxious enough about this!
I think I should be. It's going to be very scary...lots of people, strange pdoc people walking around, asking us questions and talking to each other. Maybe reporters will be there taking notes. It's a large scary room, filled with lots of scary professional people. I'm not a professional. I'm just a lowly student, with little life experience.
People are going to see me and know I don't know what the heck I'm doing...that I'm scared and don't have experience in the professional world. No one will save me when things go wrong. I'll be standing there with possibly a small group of pdocs around me and I won't be able to speak and be sweating buckets of sweat. They'll all probably think, "Isn't this girl going to talk? Wow, this girl sure is messed up. Stop wasting our time!"
I won't be able to handle it and I'll stand there and close my eyes and pretend I wasn't there. Then everyone will think, "Wow, she's crazy." No one will save me. :-( I'll be all alone. Dr. Bob will probably think, "Wow, Deneb really ruined my presentation. How am I going to face my colleagues now?"
Yeah, Deneb, you ruined the presentation. I'll feel really bad and then I'll probably cower in a corner somewhere. Then people will stare at me and wonder why I'm there and what's the matter with me.
I really hope nothing bad happens. I hope none of what I describe is going to happen. I just don't know. It's been years since I've had to present something.
What is appropriate to talk about? What do I focus on? Am I going to sound like a freak if I say that Dr. Bob is a big part of Babble for me because I love him? Would it be a good idea to talk about how Babble has helped and at times harmed me? Would it be a good idea to then explain how Babble has reacted to my threats? Would that be focusing too much on me?
I can only talk about Babble from my unique point of view. Dr. Bob is a big part of Babble for me. My threats have been a big part of my experience with Babble too. Should I also talk about how Babble is the voice of reason for me? You guys really know how to think logically.
People are going to think I'm weird if I start talking about how I love Dr. Bob, aren't they?
Deneb*
Posted by fallsfall on April 30, 2006, at 9:10:13
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting?, posted by Deneb on April 29, 2006, at 22:58:32
>I'm not anxious enough about this!
>I think I should be.
I think you should go with your gut (which is telling you that you don't need to be anxious). All the pdocs want to hear is your honest experience with Babble. As long as you tell them how you really feel about it, you will have done fine.
Deneb, you won't need to be saved.
Posted by Deneb on April 30, 2006, at 20:35:25
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting?, posted by fallsfall on April 30, 2006, at 9:10:13
> I think you should go with your gut (which is telling you that you don't need to be anxious).
I'm optimistic, my social phobia has disappeared. Now I just have the problem of just not really wanting to socialize...not the fear.
> All the pdocs want to hear is your honest experience with Babble. As long as you tell them how you really feel about it, you will have done fine.
I'm a little worried I will sound not normal. This whole loving Bob thing, for example, is a *BIG* part of my experience with Babble. I'm worried they will all think I'm insane.
>
> Deneb, you won't need to be saved.
>I hope so! :-)
Deneb*
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 1, 2006, at 23:22:48
In reply to Re: We can put together a list, posted by Dr. Bob on December 29, 2005, at 1:00:31
> there could be advantages to a list of potential risks, benefits, and alternatives. Would anyone like to add anything else?
No one did, but here's what I've come up with:
Potential benefits to group members include: They may feel empowered by the opportunity to discuss their experiences with mental health professionals in person and may gain a deeper appreciation of the effects, for better or for worse, of participation in online peer support groups. The primary objective of the workshop is, however, to benefit the workshop attendees, not the group members.
Possible risks to group members include: They may find it stressful to speak in public about themselves or mental health issues. They may be treated disrespectfully by other group members, by workshop attendees (who may, for example, ask questions they regard as invasions of privacy), or by third parties (who may picket this meeting). They may be recognized by workshop attendees. Their experiences may be reported by me or by members of the press who may be in attendance.
Safeguards include: Group members will speak only to workshop attendees in small groups. They will not be obligated to respond to any questions. Admittance to the workshop will be restricted to registered meeting attendees. I will inform everyone at the beginning of the workshop that I may later write about it. Members of the press will not be allowed to tape the proceedings. Group members will be able to participate in the workshop (as they do in the group itself) under pseudonyms. Group members will have the opportunity to discuss these risks with me -- and with each other, which might in some ways actually be an improvement on the usual informed consent process. No group members will be obligated to go to Toronto; if they do go to Toronto (for the group birthday party that weekend), they will not be obligated to go to the workshop; and if they do go to the workshop, they will be able to leave at any time.
Regarding becoming registered meeting attendees, could Babblers planning to attend please email me? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Deneb on May 2, 2006, at 0:04:11
In reply to Re: potential benefits and risks, posted by Dr. Bob on May 1, 2006, at 23:22:48
OMGosh, you scared me Dr. Bob. You make it sound so scary.
I don't know if I'll be able to handle it, but I want to see you, so I will go.
I'm going to try. Please don't be angry with me if I end up hiding in a corner.
Eeeek, I think I might face a corner and hide there. I'm not exaggerating. Dr. Bob, do you think people there will make fun of me or stare at me if I hid in a corner? Maybe I will hide until I can compose myself.
Dr. Bob, will you be listening in on the small groups? Are you going to be writing about our experiences with Babble? Will you get into specific details? Like if I talk about this whole loving you experience, will you write about it? It's okay if you do, but I would just like to prepare myself you know.
Deneb*
Posted by Poet on May 2, 2006, at 10:36:14
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting?, posted by Deneb on April 29, 2006, at 22:58:32
Hi Deneb,
I am definitely scared. See my post below
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20060422/msgs/638092.html
<<Would it be a good idea to talk about how Babble has helped and at times harmed me? Would it be a good idea to then explain how Babble has reacted to my threats? Would that be focusing too much on me?
I think you've come up with some good ideas on what you might talk about.
Poet
Posted by AuntieMel on May 3, 2006, at 9:37:54
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting?, posted by Deneb on April 29, 2006, at 22:58:32
I'm not worried.
Remember that these are professionals. They are at this meeting for one reason (ok, except for the parties and freebies) and that is to learn something. If they go to a presentation, it is because they think they can take something away from it. They're not just going for fun - there is something in it for them.
What will they see when they see us? They will see people, ordinary people, with problems. People wanting to get over an illness. People who *don't* expect it to all come from a magic pill. People who are willing to do anything and work hard to get there.
Remember that *we* are *not* doing a presentation, Dr. Bob is. We are there to converse, to answer questions, to tell our side. Our perspectives will be as varied as we are. There is no wrong answer, unless it isn't what you see as the truth. *Your* truth, not anyone else's.
Posted by AuntieMel on May 3, 2006, at 9:39:13
In reply to Re: potential benefits and risks » Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on May 2, 2006, at 0:04:11
They are probably more afraid of us than we are of them.
Posted by muffled on May 3, 2006, at 14:21:52
In reply to Re: shrinks are like snakes, posted by AuntieMel on May 3, 2006, at 9:39:13
Posted by 10derHeart on May 3, 2006, at 15:28:26
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting? » Deneb, posted by AuntieMel on May 3, 2006, at 9:37:54
Yup, that pretty much sums up how I feel, too. But, I do understand the anticipation (nearly *always* far worse than the actual event) could lead one to get wound up with self-doubt, worry, etc.
Why do I feel the urge to use that tired, old expression about how..."pdocs put their pants on the same way you (we) do...one leg at a time.....?" Or something like that...;-)
(Or I am just losing it and my unconscious is wanting to consider pdocs putting on their pants!!
:-0 !! Nah, don't think that's it....)Seriously though, that expression may be corny, yet it's true. We were all *just* people first, before we became Babblers, or posters, or pdocs, or patients, clients, mental health consumers - whatever. And *people* have a great deal in common with one another. I try not to lose sight of that when I find myself starting to feel intimidated by someone because of their education, profession, credentials, position of power. None of those things [should] take away someone's ability to listen, learn, relate and feel empathy for others.
I think it's going to be an excellent experience for us all.
Posted by 10derHeart on May 3, 2006, at 15:30:50
In reply to Re: shrinks are like snakes, posted by AuntieMel on May 3, 2006, at 9:39:13
> They are probably more afraid of us than we are of them.
as well they should be....................***MWAH HA HA***
(jk jk...really ;-0 )
Posted by Deneb on May 3, 2006, at 17:39:10
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting? » AuntieMel, posted by 10derHeart on May 3, 2006, at 15:28:26
> Yup, that pretty much sums up how I feel, too. But, I do understand the anticipation (nearly *always* far worse than the actual event) could lead one to get wound up with self-doubt, worry, etc.
I've had the opposite happen too...I wouldn't be anxious before the event, but would get anxious during the event. It would surprise me very much if I wasn't anxious at all during the workshop.
> Seriously though, that expression may be corny, yet it's true. We were all *just* people first, before we became Babblers, or posters, or pdocs, or patients, clients, mental health consumers - whatever.
I think I would be just as afraid if they were my peers. I hope they realize we are all just people too. I'm a bit worried they might look down upon us just because we are not pdocs. I'm also worried that my anxiety will show. What will they think? Then again, maybe I don't give them enough credit. Maybe they will understand because they are human.
> And *people* have a great deal in common with one another. I try not to lose sight of that when I find myself starting to feel intimidated by someone because of their education, profession, credentials, position of power. None of those things [should] take away someone's ability to listen, learn, relate and feel empathy for others.
There are all sorts of people, maybe some will let it take away those abilities. What if there are some really insensitive people there? How do I know they won't make fun of me? There's no way to know.
> I think it's going to be an excellent experience for us all.I think it will be an interesting experience for me.
Deneb*
Posted by Deneb on May 3, 2006, at 18:04:14
In reply to Re: Anyone else scared about the APA meeting? » 10derHeart, posted by Deneb on May 3, 2006, at 17:39:10
Dr. Bob, you've been to these APA meetings before, how are the people usually? Are they likely to make fun of us and look down upon us?
Dr. Bob, what would you like me to talk about? Am I going to seem weird if I talk about Babble things that are important to *me*? Do you think it would be okay to talk about those things? Is it okay to talk about bad things that have happened because of Babble? What would you like our talks to be about? Dr. Bob, you're a big part of Babble for me, is it okay if I talk about you?
I'm worried what I talk about will be very different from what others talk about.
Dr. Bob, what should I wear to the APA? What do people usually wear? I want to fit in.
Dr. Bob, I'm asking you a lot of questions, aren't I? LOL Do you mind if I ask you questions? :-)
Deneb*
Posted by gardenergirl on May 3, 2006, at 23:11:46
In reply to Re: Questions for Dr. Bob LOL, posted by Deneb on May 3, 2006, at 18:04:14
Often when a group breaks up into smaller groups for discussion, the presenter has prepared some questions or topics to frame the discussion. It might help with decreasing anxiety for those who are participating if they had some idea of how the discussion part of the presentation will be framed. Do you have some general topics or questions for the groups to discuss? Or perhaps if you have formulated a rough idea of what you will say when you break the members into small groups, could you share it with us now?
If I were going, I would want to know this in advance if possible. That would ease my mind a bit.
gg
Posted by fallsfall on May 4, 2006, at 6:42:08
In reply to Re: Questions for Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on May 3, 2006, at 23:11:46
Or if we could see your PowerPoint slides? So we know what will have just been said?
Posted by madeline on May 4, 2006, at 6:58:23
In reply to Re: Questions for Dr. Bob, posted by fallsfall on May 4, 2006, at 6:42:08
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2006, at 22:27:42
In reply to Re: Questions for Dr. Bob, posted by fallsfall on May 4, 2006, at 6:42:08
> Dr. Bob, you've been to these APA meetings before, how are the people usually? Are they likely to make fun of us and look down upon us?
>
> Dr. Bob, what would you like me to talk about? Am I going to seem weird if I talk about Babble things that are important to *me*? Do you think it would be okay to talk about those things? Is it okay to talk about bad things that have happened because of Babble? What would you like our talks to be about? Dr. Bob, you're a big part of Babble for me, is it okay if I talk about you?
>
> I'm worried what I talk about will be very different from what others talk about.
>
> Dr. Bob, what should I wear to the APA? What do people usually wear? I want to fit in.
>
> Deneb*> Often when a group breaks up into smaller groups for discussion, the presenter has prepared some questions or topics to frame the discussion. It might help with decreasing anxiety for those who are participating if they had some idea of how the discussion part of the presentation will be framed. Do you have some general topics or questions for the groups to discuss? Or perhaps if you have formulated a rough idea of what you will say when you break the members into small groups, could you share it with us now?
>
> ggI think they're likely to be civil. :-)
Yes, talk about what's important to you personally. As far as general topics, I thought Tamar had good ideas:
> Things we’ve learned here
> Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> Things we find useful about Babble
> Things we find frustrating about BabbleWear what you wear to Babble. :-) Seriously, whatever's comfortable.
Here's the overall structure:
Abstract
The Internet empowers patients by connecting them not only to information, but also to each other. This workshop introduces participants to two specific online peer support groups, one small and private, the other large and public. The moderators of the groups explain how the groups function, including what the goals of the groups are, how the group members interact, what topics are discussed, how the moderators moderate, and what the pros and cons of the groups are. The focus of the session, however, is small group discussion with group members about their experiences with this type of resource. In this workshop, in other words, patients are empowered to teach doctors. All participants regroup for concluding questions and answers.
Educational Objectives
At the conclusion of this presentation, the psychiatrists should be able to describe:
1. How online peer support groups function.
2. How participation in online peer support groups affects group members, for better or for worse.Agenda (Minutes : Topic)
05 : Introduction
15 : One model: a small, private group
15 : Another: a large, public group
40 : Small group discussion with group members
15 : Questions and answers> Or if we could see your PowerPoint slides?
>
> fallsfallSure, my introductory comments are (a large file) at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/download/handout.pdf
Bob
Posted by Deneb on May 5, 2006, at 0:06:31
In reply to Re: what to talk about, posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2006, at 22:27:42
Thank-you soooo much for answering our questions!
Yay!
(((Bob)))
Deneb*
Posted by madeline on May 5, 2006, at 20:59:23
In reply to Re: what to talk about, posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2006, at 22:27:42
Posted by pseudoname on May 9, 2006, at 16:59:16
In reply to Thanks! An interesting read. (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by madeline on May 5, 2006, at 20:59:23
I just posted some info & links that I collected for my own obsessiveness about the workshop to the planning listserv.
I'm hoping we civilians can go to some of the other presentations. There's a forum on the latest Harry Potter book with SIX psychiatrists on the panel! I'm glad it's not at the same time as Bob's workshop or I might have to skip Bob's. (Just kidding, Dr. Bob.) ;-)
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