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Posted by stebu on March 8, 2004, at 21:52:06
In reply to Ororate=depression, posted by mysteryroad on December 29, 2003, at 21:06:59
I've been on Lithium Orotate since I wrote in Sept/93. My depression has not come back. I've been able to titrate off my effexor. This is the time of year when I become hypomanic. As I began to speed up my pdoc increased my Lithium orotate, and I responded right away. I do have a tiny blood level of lithium, and continue to take a small dose of trileptal. I don't have any side effects from Lithium Orotate. I think it's great.
Posted by guttersnipe on March 28, 2004, at 23:56:12
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by stebu on March 8, 2004, at 21:52:06
Hi folks,
I'm new here ... I registered primarily to ask others about lithium orotate, and about bipolar folks' successes (and/or lack thereof) with taurine, tyrosine, B vitamins, magnasium, and the other stuff that some research suggests is helpful for bipolar (anyone into Vipassana? I'm getting back into it after years of neglect; kirtan too). To Stebu and others who are using lithium orotate under a MD's supervision/with an MD's knowledge: what do your docs have to say about the Smith and Schou (1979) study about kidney function? I have read a number of anecdotal reports that the orotate form of lithium often works (although not always) for bipolars, and I am aware that many MDs into holistic/alternative care are recommending it to their patients with some good anecdotal success rates, but I would hate to find out after taking it for a while that I've permanently turned my kidneys into jello or over-salted my brain.
I found out the hard way that Effexor is pure poison (for me, at least -- nearly 2 years of 24/7 mixed-state or dysphoric hypomania before I figured out, with no help from my psychiatrist until I suggested the idea, that the Effexor might be doing more harm than good ... same doc who failed to even screen me for bipolar even though the symptoms of my diagnosed GAD are virtually identical to a dysphoric bipolar II). I don't want to repeat the same mistake with lithium orotate that I made with Effexor.
I went off all meds about 3 months ago, except for the occasional left-over Ativan or perhaps a few cocktails when the ride got too wild (and it's been a wild, rapid-cycling ride). I am taking the supplements mentioned above, along with theanine and a multivitamin and a multimineral, and began taking lithium orotate about a week ago (with skepticism, as I am aware of the lack of methodologically sound research) .
It might be just coincidence, as I've read that lithium often takes 2-3 weeks to take full effect and I've only been on the lithium orotate for a week, but the last two days I have been more stable than I've been in years -- I haven't thrown a single object at the wall in a fit of mixed-state rage, nor spent a single moment curled up in the closet bawling in despair. Yeah, probably just the supplements kicking in, and/or coincidence ... I'll give it a good while longer to see whether the lithium orotate stuff works.
Any replies welcome.
Posted by stebu on March 29, 2004, at 8:36:05
In reply to Re: lithium orotate? (other minerals, etc.) » stebu, posted by guttersnipe on March 28, 2004, at 23:56:12
>I'm really happy you wrote, happier still you are getting some relief and taking good care of yourself. I noticed the effects of Lithium Orotate right away, no real delay in onset of benifits. The cautions in the Smith Schou study weren't based on much to my way of thinking. So far, my creatin clearance is normal, as is urinary output.
I started into my hypomanic phase in Febuary. Lithium Oratate has done a great job controling it. I have had to take my dose up considerably, I was using 2 tabs TID, bumped up to 3TID, now I'm on 4 TID. LO does seem to have a short half life. I have had a dose dependent response, and can tell if I miss a dose, and I get a strong mood stabilizing effect from a larger dose. My blood level of lithium has not yet risen above .1. It's doing a great job for me. My psychiatrist is impressed.
On safety, my doc speaks nationally with one of the world's leading experts on lithium, a Doctor Swann, when I first considered going on LO, my doc consulted with Dr. Swann. He basically said lithium is lithium and it shouldn't hurt me. The only side effect I've noticed on the higher doses is a slight change in balance.
I use mega doses of B vitamins, L-lysine, Taurine, No caffine, vegatarian Diet. I teach yoga, pranayama, meditation,and asana are all a big part of what keeps me healthy.
I'd love to hear individually from anyone trying or thinking of trying Lithium Orotate. My email is : dreamingnow8@hotmail.com Hope this helps. Steve
Hi folks,
>
> I'm new here ... I registered primarily to ask others about lithium orotate, and about bipolar folks' successes (and/or lack thereof) with taurine, tyrosine, B vitamins, magnasium, and the other stuff that some research suggests is helpful for bipolar (anyone into Vipassana? I'm getting back into it after years of neglect; kirtan too). To Stebu and others who are using lithium orotate under a MD's supervision/with an MD's knowledge: what do your docs have to say about the Smith and Schou (1979) study about kidney function? I have read a number of anecdotal reports that the orotate form of lithium often works (although not always) for bipolars, and I am aware that many MDs into holistic/alternative care are recommending it to their patients with some good anecdotal success rates, but I would hate to find out after taking it for a while that I've permanently turned my kidneys into jello or over-salted my brain.
>
> I found out the hard way that Effexor is pure poison (for me, at least -- nearly 2 years of 24/7 mixed-state or dysphoric hypomania before I figured out, with no help from my psychiatrist until I suggested the idea, that the Effexor might be doing more harm than good ... same doc who failed to even screen me for bipolar even though the symptoms of my diagnosed GAD are virtually identical to a dysphoric bipolar II). I don't want to repeat the same mistake with lithium orotate that I made with Effexor.
>
> I went off all meds about 3 months ago, except for the occasional left-over Ativan or perhaps a few cocktails when the ride got too wild (and it's been a wild, rapid-cycling ride). I am taking the supplements mentioned above, along with theanine and a multivitamin and a multimineral, and began taking lithium orotate about a week ago (with skepticism, as I am aware of the lack of methodologically sound research) .
>
> It might be just coincidence, as I've read that lithium often takes 2-3 weeks to take full effect and I've only been on the lithium orotate for a week, but the last two days I have been more stable than I've been in years -- I haven't thrown a single object at the wall in a fit of mixed-state rage, nor spent a single moment curled up in the closet bawling in despair. Yeah, probably just the supplements kicking in, and/or coincidence ... I'll give it a good while longer to see whether the lithium orotate stuff works.
>
> Any replies welcome.
>
Posted by guttersnipe on March 29, 2004, at 13:58:33
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by stebu on March 29, 2004, at 8:36:05
> I teach yoga, pranayama, meditation,and asana are all a big part of what keeps me healthy.
>Thanks, Steve -- I appreciate the info on lithium orotate, supplements, etc. As you're a yoga teacher, I wonder what is your opinion of "Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan?" It seems to be the only kundalini practice available in the states (as the yogis in India keep it secret except for those deemed ready to be initiated), and I've read a whole lot that makes me quite skeptical of this Yogi Bhajan fellow (if he's not an outright fraud, some of his documented conduct certainly deviates from both Sikh and yogi norms -- and he claims to be both a Sikh and a yogi), which of course makes me suspicious as to whether his purported kundalini yoga system is anything more than a little hatha yoga with some snake oil thrown in for good measure. After doing the basic hatha yoga along with some raja meditative, etc. techniques, under another instructor I studied under his system for a while a couple years ago but got very little from it and decided to keep my money. Curious what your thoughts are about this fellow and his yoga system? Thanks.
Posted by stebu on March 29, 2004, at 14:30:07
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » stebu, posted by guttersnipe on March 29, 2004, at 13:58:33
Nothing wrong with kundalini yoga, though I'm not familiar with Yogi Bajan. I would recomend a practice grounded in hatha,and raja with lots of meditation and mindfulness training to you or anyone else who is bi-polar. Thich Naht Hanh and Jack Kornfield are doing a good job covering mindfulness in book form.
Kundalini, kira, and other mostly intellectual yogas can avoid the really necessary work of body/breath, and, I think, can be a bit destablizing for us bi-polar types, if not grounded in hatha. Shoot me a personal email and I'll try to point you to a teacher. Steve
> > I teach yoga, pranayama, meditation,and asana are all a big part of what keeps me healthy.
> >
>
> Thanks, Steve -- I appreciate the info on lithium orotate, supplements, etc. As you're a yoga teacher, I wonder what is your opinion of "Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan?" It seems to be the only kundalini practice available in the states (as the yogis in India keep it secret except for those deemed ready to be initiated), and I've read a whole lot that makes me quite skeptical of this Yogi Bhajan fellow (if he's not an outright fraud, some of his documented conduct certainly deviates from both Sikh and yogi norms -- and he claims to be both a Sikh and a yogi), which of course makes me suspicious as to whether his purported kundalini yoga system is anything more than a little hatha yoga with some snake oil thrown in for good measure. After doing the basic hatha yoga along with some raja meditative, etc. techniques, under another instructor I studied under his system for a while a couple years ago but got very little from it and decided to keep my money. Curious what your thoughts are about this fellow and his yoga system? Thanks.
Posted by mordewis on April 6, 2004, at 16:34:12
In reply to Re: lithium orotate? (other minerals, etc.) » stebu, posted by guttersnipe on March 28, 2004, at 23:56:12
I have a Mental Health link on my website, http://moss.witchesgathering.com , where I discuss the problems I've had locally and the supplements I'm using. I have links to other sites, and a full document linked in that reports studies on lithium orotate.
I've been taking lithium orotate solidly for about 5 months now and on and off before that. I think it works just fine.
Posted by mordewis on April 6, 2004, at 16:38:32
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » stebu, posted by guttersnipe on March 29, 2004, at 13:58:33
I learn Raja Kundalini from my guru, Rudrananda, and my paramguru also teaches it. It's a very simple kundalini yoga method, very easy to learn. I also am doing Raja Yoga, which is based on Samkhyin techniques, also with my guru. Since my guru lives in Colo Springs and my paramguru in Seattle, I would say that the method you know of is NOT the only one available in the States. :D
Posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 19:25:26
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mordewis on April 6, 2004, at 16:38:32
Thanks for the info!
> I learn Raja Kundalini from my guru, Rudrananda, and my paramguru also teaches it. It's a very simple kundalini yoga method, very easy to learn. I also am doing Raja Yoga, which is based on Samkhyin techniques, also with my guru. Since my guru lives in Colo Springs and my paramguru in Seattle, I would say that the method you know of is NOT the only one available in the States. :D
Posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 19:28:15
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 19:25:26
Nice way to hijack a thread..What a mess.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2004, at 20:05:33
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 19:28:15
> Nice way to hijack a thread..
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 20:50:52
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 19:28:15
> Nice way to hijack a thread..What a mess.
Mystery Person,
I did not "hijack" anything. My post asked about others' experiences with lithium orotate, what their doctors have to say about its effect (if any) on kidney function, and since this is the "alternative" forum it seemed sensible to ask whether people are supplementing lithium orotate and if so, with what. Then I described my own experience (on that note, that the lithium orotate continues to work for me).
Before I posted anything to this forum, I lurked for a while on various threads, and there is quite evidently no unwritten rule against submitting a post that includes a topic other than that addressed by the first post of the thread (as, I note, your post did). Indeed, I have never been in any internet fora along the lines of this one where that was the case. Discussing topics related to the original topic of discussion is the natural process of dialogue ... which is a big part of what this forum is about, right? So I don't see discussion of nutritional or lifestyle changes made in conjunction with taking lithium orotate to be very far off-topic at all, and to the extent that they are off-topic, they are so in a way that seems to me to be perfectly appropriate for an exchange of experiences and views in the "alternative" forum.
If there is some secret protocol for posting here, other than what I read when I signed up and other than the basic rule of "be polite," then please share it with me so that I will not unwittingly transgress its strictures.
Posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 21:15:46
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » mysteryroad, posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 20:50:52
Can you let me know when you get back to the thread title about lithium orotate? Or maybe I should just read through your boring little private alternative..No better yet, maybe Dr. Bob should just ban me for life for being uncivil.
Please..the fragility of some people just outright depresses me..
Posted by guttersnipe on April 7, 2004, at 16:02:17
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 21:15:46
> Can you let me know when you get back to the thread title about lithium orotate? Or maybe I should just read through your boring little private alternative..No better yet, maybe Dr. Bob should just ban me for life for being uncivil.
> Please..the fragility of some people just outright depresses me..Mystery Complainer: you know, there are decaffeinated varieties available now that taste just as good as the real thing! You might give that a try, as you could stand to chill out a bit.
And sure, I'll let you know when and if lithium orotate is the *only* topic discussed on this thread (by the way, I did note in a post yesterday that that lithium orotate stuff is continuing to work for me, but evidently you overlooked that). Until then, why don't you just stay away from this thread, as you seem to have nothing to contribute other than snotty remarks?
As for discussion of supplements and/or practices that might be complementary to lithium orotate, it's too bad that you find that to be boring, as you might benefit trying some of them. At the least, they might improve your surly disposition.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2004, at 19:57:47
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 21:15:46
> maybe Dr. Bob should just ban me for life for being uncivil.
No, just one week.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2004, at 20:01:35
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » mysteryroad, posted by guttersnipe on April 7, 2004, at 16:02:17
> you could stand to chill out a bit.
>
> evidently you overlooked that)... why don't you just stay away from this thread, as you seem to have nothing to contribute other than snotty remarks?
>
> your surly disposition.Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours have been hurt and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by mordewis on April 16, 2004, at 0:39:35
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » mysteryroad, posted by guttersnipe on April 7, 2004, at 16:02:17
Since we're talking about lithium orotate again, I would like to say that several of my friends who are taking lithium orotate had the same experience that I did, switching between forms, from the capsules back to the pills. In each of our cases, it felt like we needed to increase the number of pills we were taking. I'm going back to the capsules, they are only slightly more expensive -- the capsules I'm getting at $11.95 for 120, the pills are $12.20 for 200 (I know there are higher prices, just letting you know what I'm paying in case you're paying more -- or less).
Posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 14:53:08
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mordewis on April 16, 2004, at 0:39:35
It is working for me along with 250 mg Lamictal
Posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 15:55:09
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate « BarbaraCat, posted by Dr. Bob on September 13, 2003, at 15:58:58
How much Lithium Orotate are you guys taking.
I am takin 4x120 mg a day (2x120 Am & 2x120 PM).
It seems to be working, my mind racing is a little less. I also take 250mg Lamictal & 12.5mg Seroguil for sleep.
Can I up the lithium Orotate to 3-120's am & 3-120's pm?
Posted by LOOPS on April 20, 2004, at 12:05:40
In reply to How Much, posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 15:55:09
Hi -
I've been taking lith orotate 3 tabs a day for the past 6 months. I'm thinking of upping to 4.
Effect is very subtle but profound. It doesn't do that much for my anxiety, but I haven't been on any wild shopping sprees since I've been on it, so my bank account's a lot happier.
I used to have an obsession about buying shampoo of all things. My husband thinks it's funny, which is a relief because it's quite a ridiculous obsession to have. Now we have so many bottles we won't have to buy any more shampoo for at least a couple of years.
My hair looks good though!
Since being on the lith, I haven't bought any more shampoo, which gives me a chance to use up what I have.
Also I don't go out on drinking binges like before. I would get very down, write a very dark composition, then go out and get very happy trashed. Complete turn-around in emtions within a couple of hours.
Now I'm on a more even-keel. Also I don't like what drinking does to me (disrupts sleep), so I keep it to a minimum (beer lover). I heard lith orotate helps deal with alchohol cravings. Well it does a little bit, but I still drink - just not so much. This is why I'm thinking of upping to 4, as I want to stop drinking during the week, but find getting rid of drinking altogethe is very difficult.
Loops
Posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 0:55:24
In reply to How Much, posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 15:55:09
I'm doing great on lithium orotate taking 2 120's 3 X a day. IOW, 6 a day. I started out on less, but it didn't handle everything. I gradually upped the dose by one for a few days, then another one, etc. until I got to 6 and felt great. After a few months I tried going back to a lower dose of 4 a day, but didn't feel as even and "normal" (whatever that really is.) : )
Hope this helps.
Rob
Posted by stebu on April 26, 2004, at 2:52:09
In reply to Re: How Much, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 0:55:24
I'm in the same place on dosage, with about the same experience. During seasonal hypomania I've gone as high as 4x 120mg three times a day, it did slightly affect my balance, but my lithium blood level has stayed at .1 even up to ten tabs a day. In general for me and a few others three doses of two 120mg tabs is about right. I think Lithium Orotate has a short half life, so it's very important to take a divided dose throughout the day.
Steve
Posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate « Michael Motter, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2003, at 16:35:31
Hi, Michael --
Your other comment to me in a different thread got moved and the move didn't show who the posts were to, so I decided to comment here.
You suggested that I read articles about Dr. Nieper and talk to a pdoc before using lithium orotate.
Actually, I had previously read YOUR article above about Hans Nieper and lithium orotate. : ) And I had formerly read info about Dr. Nieper's products not being let into the US. One of the articles had the exact paperwork describing the reason, which was because the labels were in German.
And despite what the reasons may or may not have been, I've had a long and ugly history with this illness. I've been all over the place and never had those nice periods of stability that other bipolars seem to get. I've been taking lithium orotate with the blessing of my pdoc, mainly because nothing else has worked well for me. Some things probably would have except I'm apparently ultra-sensitive to side effects.
I've now been completely stable for the many months now for the first time in my life. The only time during this period I wasn't doing well is when I went off the lithium orotate for two weeks because I couldn't believe something so cheap and easy to take could be doing all this--maybe I had just hit one of those great stable periods of the cosmic bipolar cycle. But two weeks off was enough for me--and everyone around me--to realize what was making the difference.
Yeah, I know that as far as some people are concerned, my case is just anectodal. S'ok with me. I'm just glad this stuff works for me. And it has worked for lots of people I've told about it, too. So people can try to dredge up anything negative they can find about lithium orotate. All I know is that the stuff works for me and lots of other people too.
Also, I believe that kidney info you refer to is flawed.
My understanding of the test that was done regarding the kidney fuction comparison between lithium orotate and lithium carbonate is this: (btw, I have studied both the abstract and the full text of the article of the research done in 1979 by Smith and Schou.)
They injected rats with both lithium carbonate and lithium orotate (and a neutral injection of sodium chloride) and then measured kidney functioning, urine flow, etc. The results were that the lithium orotate seemed to cause lower kidney functioning.
However, the HUGE and apparently completely overlooked point here is this--they injected the rats with the SAME amounts of lithum orotate and lithium carbonate. Anyone see a problem here?? The point is, people DON'T TAKE the same enormous amounts of lithium orotate as they have to take with lithium carbonate and lithium citrate!! An effective dose is typically like 15 mg of elemental lithium from lithium orotate compared to 126 mg of elemental lithium from lithium carbonate, which is more than 800% more lithium!
So when I see people quote that study, I wonder why nobody's comparing apples to apples. Instead the study compares grapes to watermelons and the results end up skewed and completely indifferent to the way lithium orotate is administered in actual use.
Thank you for your concern and input, though. I think it's very helpful for people to present their thoughts to each other as we all try to get through this.
Rob
Posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:38:43
In reply to I think the kidney study is flawed -Michael Motter, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
I guess I'm confused about where all these postings go. :p Oh well. Maybe he'll find it.
Posted by stebu on April 26, 2004, at 13:48:58
In reply to I think the kidney study is flawed -Michael Motter, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
Rob,
I'm so thrilled to have someone else who reads research. Thanks for the lowdown on the kidney study.
Steve
Posted by joebob on May 1, 2004, at 9:37:21
In reply to I think the kidney study is flawed -Michael Motter, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
your post...i too read the flawed study summary and was somewhat concerned, but did not have access to the full study to uncover the flaw!
you've put my mind to rest
by the way,how much do you take? what is your dx?
thanks a bunch
joebob
> Hi, Michael --
>
> Your other comment to me in a different thread got moved and the move didn't show who the posts were to, so I decided to comment here.
>
> You suggested that I read articles about Dr. Nieper and talk to a pdoc before using lithium orotate.
>
> Actually, I had previously read YOUR article above about Hans Nieper and lithium orotate. : ) And I had formerly read info about Dr. Nieper's products not being let into the US. One of the articles had the exact paperwork describing the reason, which was because the labels were in German.
>
> And despite what the reasons may or may not have been, I've had a long and ugly history with this illness. I've been all over the place and never had those nice periods of stability that other bipolars seem to get. I've been taking lithium orotate with the blessing of my pdoc, mainly because nothing else has worked well for me. Some things probably would have except I'm apparently ultra-sensitive to side effects.
>
> I've now been completely stable for the many months now for the first time in my life. The only time during this period I wasn't doing well is when I went off the lithium orotate for two weeks because I couldn't believe something so cheap and easy to take could be doing all this--maybe I had just hit one of those great stable periods of the cosmic bipolar cycle. But two weeks off was enough for me--and everyone around me--to realize what was making the difference.
>
> Yeah, I know that as far as some people are concerned, my case is just anectodal. S'ok with me. I'm just glad this stuff works for me. And it has worked for lots of people I've told about it, too. So people can try to dredge up anything negative they can find about lithium orotate. All I know is that the stuff works for me and lots of other people too.
>
> Also, I believe that kidney info you refer to is flawed.
>
> My understanding of the test that was done regarding the kidney fuction comparison between lithium orotate and lithium carbonate is this: (btw, I have studied both the abstract and the full text of the article of the research done in 1979 by Smith and Schou.)
>
> They injected rats with both lithium carbonate and lithium orotate (and a neutral injection of sodium chloride) and then measured kidney functioning, urine flow, etc. The results were that the lithium orotate seemed to cause lower kidney functioning.
>
> However, the HUGE and apparently completely overlooked point here is this--they injected the rats with the SAME amounts of lithum orotate and lithium carbonate. Anyone see a problem here?? The point is, people DON'T TAKE the same enormous amounts of lithium orotate as they have to take with lithium carbonate and lithium citrate!! An effective dose is typically like 15 mg of elemental lithium from lithium orotate compared to 126 mg of elemental lithium from lithium carbonate, which is more than 800% more lithium!
>
> So when I see people quote that study, I wonder why nobody's comparing apples to apples. Instead the study compares grapes to watermelons and the results end up skewed and completely indifferent to the way lithium orotate is administered in actual use.
>
> Thank you for your concern and input, though. I think it's very helpful for people to present their thoughts to each other as we all try to get through this.
>
> Rob
>
>
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