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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2013, at 12:31:23
In reply to bingcuvrdwthdawgcrpizknotateechablemomnt » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on November 28, 2013, at 21:30:01
> I don't see how dog crap being hurled at me is a learning experience that should teach me the serenity in being covered with canine fecal matter. ... I expect that Lou Pilder should be afforded his own teachable moments that shall nurture in him a sense of serenity
>
> What are you protecting? Start teaching us. All of us.One response is that I'm trying to protect Babble by teaching acceptance and serenity.
If someone hurled dog crap at you, but you were shielded from it, could you accept not being able to change them?
Bob
PS: Based on what I just posted, another response is, how does it make you feel to have dog crap hurled at you?
Posted by SLS on November 29, 2013, at 17:27:47
In reply to Re: dog crap, posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2013, at 12:31:23
> > I don't see how dog crap being hurled at me is a learning experience that should teach me the serenity in being covered with canine fecal matter. ... I expect that Lou Pilder should be afforded his own teachable moments that shall nurture in him a sense of serenity
> >
> > What are you protecting? Start teaching us. All of us.
>
> One response is that I'm trying to protect Babble by teaching acceptance and serenity.
>
> If someone hurled dog crap at you, but you were shielded from it, could you accept not being able to change them?
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Based on what I just posted, another response is, how does it make you feel to have dog crap hurled at you?Are we speaking of SLS personally, or are we talking about everyone in the community? If I do have a shield, it is mine. Does everyone have their own dog crap shield? They might, but it could take quite a bit of coaching to teach one how to use it effectively. Is there a privilege for slinging dog crap at each other simply because we may have a shield within us?
Stop people from hurling dog crap at each other. Stop people from accusing others of hate and antisemitism. If you are having trouble judging antisemitism, I suggest you take a few minutes to explore this issue using the search tools offered by the Internet.
You protect Lou Pilder at the expense of all others. Are you protecting a privilege that we now have to falsely accuse others of actively fostering antisemitism? If you feel that Lou Pilder has an unalienable right to to hurt others, I don't understand why others can't do the same reciprocally - just for fun. We, as a community, are not dullards when it comes to exercising a bit of logic when considering your behavior as the moderator of the Psycho-Babble forums. Logic does not equate to Truth.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2013, at 20:31:17
In reply to Lou's reply-Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-psehypgaux, posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2013, at 10:54:20
> > > > > Let us look at this post:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> > > >
> > > > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
> > >
> > > Sorry, could you repeat the question?
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > I had asked for you and others to review your terms of service here both by your written TOS in the FAQ and how they are enforced as well as other policies stated outside of the FAQ Tos.
> > It is generally accepted that when a body makes rules , the written rules like you have in your FAQ take precedence over any other rule outside of the main body of rules in a TOS declaration that you have here in your FAQ.
> > This does bring up some questions that if you could post answers to them here, then I could post my response to you. True of False
> > A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
> > B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down. This could be in
> > 1.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...]
> > an,
> > 2.[...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...]
> > Those two can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you because you do agree that readers that see a statement that is not sanctioned by you could think that, and you are taking back your thinking on what you agreed with me about in respect to that
> > C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here without any sanction because now you are taking back the definition agree with me here that anti-Semitic statement are those that put down Jews.
> > D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ to let readers now know that statements like the ones that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that are standing here will be allowed to be posted along with any other statement that is analogous to those.
> > E. other question to follow if you post answers to the above questions.
> > Lou PIlder
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You asked for a compromise. I will not stop trying to have you address, as other posts of the same nature are addressed here by you, the two statements in question, and others that put down Jews and that could lead a Jew and Islamic person and others to feel put down when they read it to be allowed to be seen as supportive and civil here by you and your previous deputies because they are unsanctioned and you agree that there could be a subset of readers that could think that by you not sanctioning a statement, that it is supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole. One match could start a forest fire and those statements have historical implications that you have posted to me here prohibitions so that I can not post here my response to you for what is happening here to show the historical parallels where 1 1/2 million of Jewish children were murdered in a period of time where the anti-Semitic statements here were state-sponsored.
> But be it as it may be that the statements in question are still under consideration, we could go on to the next one here.
> In this statement that has historical implications and parallels to inciting hatred toward the Jews, others that wanted to blame the Jews and use them for scapegoats and to use Jews to justify their own behavior as being caused by the Jews, (redacted by respondent) and I want you to address this now. If not, others could IMHHO use me and other Jews as a scapegoat for their own posts by saying that what I posted caused them to post what they did and think that because it is unsanctioned, it is state-sponsored here.
> Lou Pilder
> To see this post, go to the bottom of this page in the search box and type in:
> [ admin, 678224 ]
> see verse 25Mr. Hsiung,
Here is another post that I would like to include in this discussion. It is by another member that shows that this is not a one-person issue concerning statements that could put down Jews, that if remain unsanctioned, could lead a subset of readers to think that statements that could put down Jews are (redacted by respondent).
Lou Pilder
[ admin, 854229 ]
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2013, at 20:34:23
In reply to Lou's reply-Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-phzdr, posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2013, at 20:31:17
> > > > > > Let us look at this post:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, could you repeat the question?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > I had asked for you and others to review your terms of service here both by your written TOS in the FAQ and how they are enforced as well as other policies stated outside of the FAQ Tos.
> > > It is generally accepted that when a body makes rules , the written rules like you have in your FAQ take precedence over any other rule outside of the main body of rules in a TOS declaration that you have here in your FAQ.
> > > This does bring up some questions that if you could post answers to them here, then I could post my response to you. True of False
> > > A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
> > > B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down. This could be in
> > > 1.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...]
> > > an,
> > > 2.[...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...]
> > > Those two can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you because you do agree that readers that see a statement that is not sanctioned by you could think that, and you are taking back your thinking on what you agreed with me about in respect to that
> > > C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here without any sanction because now you are taking back the definition agree with me here that anti-Semitic statement are those that put down Jews.
> > > D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ to let readers now know that statements like the ones that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that are standing here will be allowed to be posted along with any other statement that is analogous to those.
> > > E. other question to follow if you post answers to the above questions.
> > > Lou PIlder
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You asked for a compromise. I will not stop trying to have you address, as other posts of the same nature are addressed here by you, the two statements in question, and others that put down Jews and that could lead a Jew and Islamic person and others to feel put down when they read it to be allowed to be seen as supportive and civil here by you and your previous deputies because they are unsanctioned and you agree that there could be a subset of readers that could think that by you not sanctioning a statement, that it is supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole. One match could start a forest fire and those statements have historical implications that you have posted to me here prohibitions so that I can not post here my response to you for what is happening here to show the historical parallels where 1 1/2 million of Jewish children were murdered in a period of time where the anti-Semitic statements here were state-sponsored.
> > But be it as it may be that the statements in question are still under consideration, we could go on to the next one here.
> > In this statement that has historical implications and parallels to inciting hatred toward the Jews, others that wanted to blame the Jews and use them for scapegoats and to use Jews to justify their own behavior as being caused by the Jews, (redacted by respondent) and I want you to address this now. If not, others could IMHHO use me and other Jews as a scapegoat for their own posts by saying that what I posted caused them to post what they did and think that because it is unsanctioned, it is state-sponsored here.
> > Lou Pilder
> > To see this post, go to the bottom of this page in the search box and type in:
> > [ admin, 678224 ]
> > see verse 25
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Here is another post that I would like to include in this discussion. It is by another member that shows that this is not a one-person issue concerning statements that could put down Jews, that if remain unsanctioned, could lead a subset of readers to think that statements that could put down Jews are (redacted by respondent).
>
> Lou Pilder
> [ admin, 854229 ]correction
[ admin, 845229 ]
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 3:35:51
In reply to correction- Lou's reply-Th Hsiung-Pilder discussio, posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2013, at 20:34:23
> > > > > > > Let us look at this post:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, could you repeat the question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > I had asked for you and others to review your terms of service here both by your written TOS in the FAQ and how they are enforced as well as other policies stated outside of the FAQ Tos.
> > > > It is generally accepted that when a body makes rules , the written rules like you have in your FAQ take precedence over any other rule outside of the main body of rules in a TOS declaration that you have here in your FAQ.
> > > > This does bring up some questions that if you could post answers to them here, then I could post my response to you. True of False
> > > > A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
> > > > B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down. This could be in
> > > > 1.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...]
> > > > an,
> > > > 2.[...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...]
> > > > Those two can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you because you do agree that readers that see a statement that is not sanctioned by you could think that, and you are taking back your thinking on what you agreed with me about in respect to that
> > > > C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here without any sanction because now you are taking back the definition agree with me here that anti-Semitic statement are those that put down Jews.
> > > > D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ to let readers now know that statements like the ones that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that are standing here will be allowed to be posted along with any other statement that is analogous to those.
> > > > E. other question to follow if you post answers to the above questions.
> > > > Lou PIlder
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > You asked for a compromise. I will not stop trying to have you address, as other posts of the same nature are addressed here by you, the two statements in question, and others that put down Jews and that could lead a Jew and Islamic person and others to feel put down when they read it to be allowed to be seen as supportive and civil here by you and your previous deputies because they are unsanctioned and you agree that there could be a subset of readers that could think that by you not sanctioning a statement, that it is supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole. One match could start a forest fire and those statements have historical implications that you have posted to me here prohibitions so that I can not post here my response to you for what is happening here to show the historical parallels where 1 1/2 million of Jewish children were murdered in a period of time where the anti-Semitic statements here were state-sponsored.
> > > But be it as it may be that the statements in question are still under consideration, we could go on to the next one here.
> > > In this statement that has historical implications and parallels to inciting hatred toward the Jews, others that wanted to blame the Jews and use them for scapegoats and to use Jews to justify their own behavior as being caused by the Jews, (redacted by respondent) and I want you to address this now. If not, others could IMHHO use me and other Jews as a scapegoat for their own posts by saying that what I posted caused them to post what they did and think that because it is unsanctioned, it is state-sponsored here.
> > > Lou Pilder
> > > To see this post, go to the bottom of this page in the search box and type in:
> > > [ admin, 678224 ]
> > > see verse 25
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Here is another post that I would like to include in this discussion. It is by another member that shows that this is not a one-person issue concerning statements that could put down Jews, that if remain unsanctioned, could lead a subset of readers to think that statements that could put down Jews are (redacted by respondent).
> >
> > Lou Pilder
> > [ admin, 854229 ]
>
> correction
> [ admin, 845229 ]Mr. Hsiung,
Now you say that you will address the two statements in question. I would like this one also to be addressed.
Lou Pilder
[ admin, 428781 ]
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 9:19:32
In reply to Re: dog crap » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on November 29, 2013, at 17:27:47
> > > I don't see how dog crap being hurled at me is a learning experience that should teach me the serenity in being covered with canine fecal matter. ... I expect that Lou Pilder should be afforded his own teachable moments that shall nurture in him a sense of serenity
> > >
> > > What are you protecting? Start teaching us. All of us.
> >
> > One response is that I'm trying to protect Babble by teaching acceptance and serenity.
> >
> > If someone hurled dog crap at you, but you were shielded from it, could you accept not being able to change them?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > PS: Based on what I just posted, another response is, how does it make you feel to have dog crap hurled at you?
>
> Are we speaking of SLS personally, or are we talking about everyone in the community? If I do have a shield, it is mine. Does everyone have their own dog crap shield? They might, but it could take quite a bit of coaching to teach one how to use it effectively. Is there a privilege for slinging dog crap at each other simply because we may have a shield within us?
>
> Stop people from hurling dog crap at each other. Stop people from accusing others of hate and antisemitism. If you are having trouble judging antisemitism, I suggest you take a few minutes to explore this issue using the search tools offered by the Internet.
>
> You protect Lou Pilder at the expense of all others. Are you protecting a privilege that we now have to falsely accuse others of actively fostering antisemitism? If you feel that Lou Pilder has an unalienable right to to hurt others, I don't understand why others can't do the same reciprocally - just for fun. We, as a community, are not dullards when it comes to exercising a bit of logic when considering your behavior as the moderator of the Psycho-Babble forums. Logic does not equate to Truth.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here about {fostering} anti-Semitism. And {fostering} happens if something is {advanced} by, or {encouraged} by, or {promoted} by an administration of a community, or government of a country or even a school or university.
This {fostering} could also be thought by a subset of readers as an {endorsement} of whatever is what is being advanced. And something is advanced by an administration when it is allowed to go forward as acceptable, and in this community as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole, as an example, let's say, as if someone was trying to {advance} the theory of evolution. If ,let's say, a school was trying to advance the theory of evolution, the administration of the school could advance the theory by allowing it to be taught, while disallowing the school to teach creationism.
It is the controlling of the content by any administration as to what is allowed and what is not, that has the potential to foster hate and hatred in particular but not limited to the Jews. The historical record shows the tactics used by countries to arouse anti-Semitic feelings and I am prevented from posting those tactics here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
Now here, the TOS state not to post {anything}that could lead one to feel put down or accused. And further, to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. And further, that if something is not supportive, to not post it, for support takes precedence. And going even further, Mr Hsiung states that what he does in his thinking will be good for this community as whole, and to try and trust him in that. That {trust} that he asks of readers here has historical parallels that I am prevented from posting here that if I was allowed, I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be avoided, and the statements that are here in question that put down Jews would never have had the years of running here for readers to be able to be seen as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole as the TOS here states because it is also stated here that if something is unsanctioned, readers could think that it is supportive because Mr Hsiung states that one match could start a forest fire so he does not wait to put it out.
The statements in question now such as something like the following and there are many more than these:
[...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
and,
[...one of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if the agenda of the religion is not centered in Christ..]
stand as having the potential IMO to advance what they purport as long as they remain unsanctioned. What could be advanced is that Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have their faith in an organized religion that has their agenda not centered in Christ do not have a pathway back to God and they are in an organized religion that has the worst reason for being. This can insult Judaism, Islam and all other faiths that are not Christian in their agenda which is the generally accepted meaning of what {put down} means.
Yet today, I am still trying to give Mr Hsiung the opportunity to sanction those and other statements that put down in particular but not limited to, Jews. My question here, is why anyone would want to have those statements in question here to stand?
Lou
Posted by SLS on November 30, 2013, at 9:51:52
In reply to Lou's response-phostering happens » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 9:19:32
Your strategy for avoiding the 3-post rule is an insult to me. I do not accept your including my name in the subject line of your posts when the content of such posts do not address me personally.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 16:08:09
In reply to Lou's response-phostering happens » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 9:19:32
> > > > I don't see how dog crap being hurled at me is a learning experience that should teach me the serenity in being covered with canine fecal matter. ... I expect that Lou Pilder should be afforded his own teachable moments that shall nurture in him a sense of serenity
> > > >
> > > > What are you protecting? Start teaching us. All of us.
> > >
> > > One response is that I'm trying to protect Babble by teaching acceptance and serenity.
> > >
> > > If someone hurled dog crap at you, but you were shielded from it, could you accept not being able to change them?
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > PS: Based on what I just posted, another response is, how does it make you feel to have dog crap hurled at you?
> >
> > Are we speaking of SLS personally, or are we talking about everyone in the community? If I do have a shield, it is mine. Does everyone have their own dog crap shield? They might, but it could take quite a bit of coaching to teach one how to use it effectively. Is there a privilege for slinging dog crap at each other simply because we may have a shield within us?
> >
> > Stop people from hurling dog crap at each other. Stop people from accusing others of hate and antisemitism. If you are having trouble judging antisemitism, I suggest you take a few minutes to explore this issue using the search tools offered by the Internet.
> >
> > You protect Lou Pilder at the expense of all others. Are you protecting a privilege that we now have to falsely accuse others of actively fostering antisemitism? If you feel that Lou Pilder has an unalienable right to to hurt others, I don't understand why others can't do the same reciprocally - just for fun. We, as a community, are not dullards when it comes to exercising a bit of logic when considering your behavior as the moderator of the Psycho-Babble forums. Logic does not equate to Truth.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> It is written here about {fostering} anti-Semitism. And {fostering} happens if something is {advanced} by, or {encouraged} by, or {promoted} by an administration of a community, or government of a country or even a school or university.
> This {fostering} could also be thought by a subset of readers as an {endorsement} of whatever is what is being advanced. And something is advanced by an administration when it is allowed to go forward as acceptable, and in this community as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole, as an example, let's say, as if someone was trying to {advance} the theory of evolution. If ,let's say, a school was trying to advance the theory of evolution, the administration of the school could advance the theory by allowing it to be taught, while disallowing the school to teach creationism.
> It is the controlling of the content by any administration as to what is allowed and what is not, that has the potential to foster hate and hatred in particular but not limited to the Jews. The historical record shows the tactics used by countries to arouse anti-Semitic feelings and I am prevented from posting those tactics here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
> Now here, the TOS state not to post {anything}that could lead one to feel put down or accused. And further, to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. And further, that if something is not supportive, to not post it, for support takes precedence. And going even further, Mr Hsiung states that what he does in his thinking will be good for this community as whole, and to try and trust him in that. That {trust} that he asks of readers here has historical parallels that I am prevented from posting here that if I was allowed, I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be avoided, and the statements that are here in question that put down Jews would never have had the years of running here for readers to be able to be seen as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole as the TOS here states because it is also stated here that if something is unsanctioned, readers could think that it is supportive because Mr Hsiung states that one match could start a forest fire so he does not wait to put it out.
> The statements in question now such as something like the following and there are many more than these:
> [...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
> and,
> [...one of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if the agenda of the religion is not centered in Christ..]
> stand as having the potential IMO to advance what they purport as long as they remain unsanctioned. What could be advanced is that Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have their faith in an organized religion that has their agenda not centered in Christ do not have a pathway back to God and they are in an organized religion that has the worst reason for being. This can insult Judaism, Islam and all other faiths that are not Christian in their agenda which is the generally accepted meaning of what {put down} means.
> Yet today, I am still trying to give Mr Hsiung the opportunity to sanction those and other statements that put down in particular but not limited to, Jews. My question here, is why anyone would want to have those statements in question here to stand?
> LouFriends,
The aspect of {fostering} anti-Semitism here can be determined by readers on their own as to understanding how fostering happens in a community. If there is control of the content by the owner and his deputies, and they also assist or encourage others in posting their own comments to other's posts, then a {design} can be seen in the development of thought and there could be direct encouragement by the deputies and owner. This control can be done by having rules that separate what is acceptable or not and sanctioning and even expelling those that post what is not acceptable to the owner and the deputies that do his wishes. This separation could advance hatred toward Judaism itself by the deputies and the owner having a policy that develops one religion as having their agenda being allowed and the Jewish perspective as revealed to me not permitted to be posted as supportive here. So the statements in question that are like:
[...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
and,
[...One of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if their agenda is not centered in Christ...] is seen here as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole, but the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is seen as uncivil and not supportive and will not be good for this community as a whole because I am prevented by the rules from posting such.
Lou
[ admin, 7968 ]
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 17:11:25
In reply to Lou's response-phostering happens, posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 16:08:09
> > > > > I don't see how dog crap being hurled at me is a learning experience that should teach me the serenity in being covered with canine fecal matter. ... I expect that Lou Pilder should be afforded his own teachable moments that shall nurture in him a sense of serenity
> > > > >
> > > > > What are you protecting? Start teaching us. All of us.
> > > >
> > > > One response is that I'm trying to protect Babble by teaching acceptance and serenity.
> > > >
> > > > If someone hurled dog crap at you, but you were shielded from it, could you accept not being able to change them?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > PS: Based on what I just posted, another response is, how does it make you feel to have dog crap hurled at you?
> > >
> > > Are we speaking of SLS personally, or are we talking about everyone in the community? If I do have a shield, it is mine. Does everyone have their own dog crap shield? They might, but it could take quite a bit of coaching to teach one how to use it effectively. Is there a privilege for slinging dog crap at each other simply because we may have a shield within us?
> > >
> > > Stop people from hurling dog crap at each other. Stop people from accusing others of hate and antisemitism. If you are having trouble judging antisemitism, I suggest you take a few minutes to explore this issue using the search tools offered by the Internet.
> > >
> > > You protect Lou Pilder at the expense of all others. Are you protecting a privilege that we now have to falsely accuse others of actively fostering antisemitism? If you feel that Lou Pilder has an unalienable right to to hurt others, I don't understand why others can't do the same reciprocally - just for fun. We, as a community, are not dullards when it comes to exercising a bit of logic when considering your behavior as the moderator of the Psycho-Babble forums. Logic does not equate to Truth.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here about {fostering} anti-Semitism. And {fostering} happens if something is {advanced} by, or {encouraged} by, or {promoted} by an administration of a community, or government of a country or even a school or university.
> > This {fostering} could also be thought by a subset of readers as an {endorsement} of whatever is what is being advanced. And something is advanced by an administration when it is allowed to go forward as acceptable, and in this community as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole, as an example, let's say, as if someone was trying to {advance} the theory of evolution. If ,let's say, a school was trying to advance the theory of evolution, the administration of the school could advance the theory by allowing it to be taught, while disallowing the school to teach creationism.
> > It is the controlling of the content by any administration as to what is allowed and what is not, that has the potential to foster hate and hatred in particular but not limited to the Jews. The historical record shows the tactics used by countries to arouse anti-Semitic feelings and I am prevented from posting those tactics here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
> > Now here, the TOS state not to post {anything}that could lead one to feel put down or accused. And further, to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. And further, that if something is not supportive, to not post it, for support takes precedence. And going even further, Mr Hsiung states that what he does in his thinking will be good for this community as whole, and to try and trust him in that. That {trust} that he asks of readers here has historical parallels that I am prevented from posting here that if I was allowed, I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be avoided, and the statements that are here in question that put down Jews would never have had the years of running here for readers to be able to be seen as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole as the TOS here states because it is also stated here that if something is unsanctioned, readers could think that it is supportive because Mr Hsiung states that one match could start a forest fire so he does not wait to put it out.
> > The statements in question now such as something like the following and there are many more than these:
> > [...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
> > and,
> > [...one of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if the agenda of the religion is not centered in Christ..]
> > stand as having the potential IMO to advance what they purport as long as they remain unsanctioned. What could be advanced is that Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have their faith in an organized religion that has their agenda not centered in Christ do not have a pathway back to God and they are in an organized religion that has the worst reason for being. This can insult Judaism, Islam and all other faiths that are not Christian in their agenda which is the generally accepted meaning of what {put down} means.
> > Yet today, I am still trying to give Mr Hsiung the opportunity to sanction those and other statements that put down in particular but not limited to, Jews. My question here, is why anyone would want to have those statements in question here to stand?
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> The aspect of {fostering} anti-Semitism here can be determined by readers on their own as to understanding how fostering happens in a community. If there is control of the content by the owner and his deputies, and they also assist or encourage others in posting their own comments to other's posts, then a {design} can be seen in the development of thought and there could be direct encouragement by the deputies and owner. This control can be done by having rules that separate what is acceptable or not and sanctioning and even expelling those that post what is not acceptable to the owner and the deputies that do his wishes. This separation could advance hatred toward Judaism itself by the deputies and the owner having a policy that develops one religion as having their agenda being allowed and the Jewish perspective as revealed to me not permitted to be posted as supportive here. So the statements in question that are like:
> [...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
> and,
> [...One of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if their agenda is not centered in Christ...] is seen here as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole, but the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is seen as uncivil and not supportive and will not be good for this community as a whole because I am prevented by the rules from posting such.
> Lou
> [ admin, 7968 ]Friends,
The encouragement by Mr. Hsiung that could steer readers into the development of what content is "good" or not, can be controlled by Mr Hsiung and/or his deputies commenting to third-party posts. Here is one that IMHHHHHO could advance hatred toward the Jews and create a hostile environment here for Jews . This is because Mr. Hsiung says that he thinks it is good for there to be the following statement that puts down, in particular but not limited to, Jews. The put downing is by the generally accepted understanding that a put down happens when one faith is said to be deficient in what another faith has. In the following, what has been historically promulgated by the statement here in question that has been used to defame the Jews for centuries is that Christianty has grace and truth brought to it by Jesus and the contrast to Judaism is that there is no grace or truth in it because grace and truth {came by } Jesus and Jews have only the Law. The put down of Judaism is not only allowed to stand as supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole, but the information content provider here assists the third-party member and says that he thinks that it is "good". The generally accepted understanding in when one person says that if two things are being contrasted and one party says that one is "good", then the other part could be considered by a subset of people as "bad". This is in part how anti-Semitism can be fostered in a community.
Lou
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Posted by Phillipa on November 30, 2013, at 18:31:45
In reply to Lou's response-putting down happens-encourage, posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 17:11:25
What if I said I believe in Spirituality? That the universe was created with the Big Bang Theory? The Whipple Theory? Would this change things?
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 20:19:33
In reply to Re: Lou's response-putting down happens-encourage » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 30, 2013, at 18:31:45
> What if I said I believe in Spirituality? That the universe was created with the Big Bang Theory? The Whipple Theory? Would this change things?
Phillipa,
The issue here is that the rules are to not post what could put down those of other faiths. Saying that you believe something is OK as long as what you believe does not put down those of other faiths.
So if you believe in Spirituality, that is Ok to post here, for you did not contrast your belief with another belief in a way that demeans the other belief or says that your belief is superior in some way to another belief.
In:
[...Christianity is he only religion that has a pathway back to God...], the use of the word {only} precludes all other religions. So, Islam and Judaism and all other non-Christian religions could be thought by a subset of people that read the statement to mean that the non-Christian religions are being put down because they do not have a way back to God in their religion. So, if you are evaluating the statement as to if it is an anti-Semitic statement and you agree with Mr Hsiung that an anti-Semitic statement is one that puts down Jews, then the statement is an anti-Semitic statement. The fact that it is unsanctioned could foster antisemitism because a subset of readers could think that unsanctioned statements are supportive and will be good for this community as a whole and that readers are to try to trust Mr Hsiung in what he does, and in this case, I guess what he and his deputies do not do.
That could cause a creation or development of information as being acceptable here because Mr. Hsiung and his deputies could control the content and assist in the development of material that they say is what is or is not civil and supportive.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2013, at 12:52:33
In reply to Lou's response-phostering happens » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2013, at 9:19:32
> I am still trying to give Mr Hsiung the opportunity to sanction those and other statements
> Here is another post that I would like to include in this discussion...
Before we include more posts, I'd like to try to clarify what I'm open to, to avoid being at cross-purposes.
I'm open to discussing policies, including how they're applied and how they might be improved.
I'm not open to considering sanctions here. Requests for sanctions should be submitted using the "notify administrators" button. (One policy is not to sanction archived posts.)
I'm also open to the following compromise: if (1) we agree that a statement could potentially be seen as putting down Jews and (2) we agree on a restatement that would be more conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, then I'll post that restatement to that thread.
I understand you may not find that acceptable. We may remain a Rock and a Hard Place. I can accept not being able to change you.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2013, at 13:01:50
In reply to Re: dog crap » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on November 29, 2013, at 17:27:47
> Are we speaking of SLS personally, or are we talking about everyone in the community? If I do have a shield, it is mine. Does everyone have their own dog crap shield? They might, but it could take quite a bit of coaching to teach one how to use it effectively.
I was speaking of you. I'm glad you have a shield. I like the idea of coaching others to use theirs effectively. Would you consider doing that?
> Stop people from hurling dog crap at each other.
I'm sure you know that saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. My feeling about this is something like: Stop a man from hurling dog crap and you protect others for a day; teach them to shield themselves and you protect them for a lifetime.
Bob
Posted by SLS on December 1, 2013, at 15:18:57
In reply to Re: dog crap, posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2013, at 13:01:50
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 1, 2013, at 15:22:11
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2013, at 12:52:33
> > I am still trying to give Mr Hsiung the opportunity to sanction those and other statements
>
> > Here is another post that I would like to include in this discussion...
>
> Before we include more posts, I'd like to try to clarify what I'm open to, to avoid being at cross-purposes.
>
> I'm open to discussing policies, including how they're applied and how they might be improved.
>
> I'm not open to considering sanctions here. Requests for sanctions should be submitted using the "notify administrators" button. (One policy is not to sanction archived posts.)
>
> I'm also open to the following compromise: if (1) we agree that a statement could potentially be seen as putting down Jews and (2) we agree on a restatement that would be more conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, then I'll post that restatement to that thread.
>
> I understand you may not find that acceptable. We may remain a Rock and a Hard Place. I can accept not being able to change you.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
In regards to clarification, here is what I am open to.
I am open to any way that you could effect remedial action to the posts in question that in particular but not limited to, put down Jews and/or be accusative or defaming to me or others.
One way that you have already done so is in the following. The idea is to do something in the thread where the post in question appears so that:
A. readers could know that the statement is not supportive or conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and will not be good for this community as a whole,
and,
B. The reason that changes what was originally posted that could be seen as civil, but now it is not.
and,
C. If or if not you made an error originally.
Now here is one that you have already done and if you could follow your own remediation in the posts in question as you have done in the following, that would be acceptable to me.
Lou Pilder
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Posted by Phillipa on December 1, 2013, at 20:54:54
In reply to Lou's rply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-1050578 » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 1, 2013, at 15:22:11
Lou seriously did you take the time to read and process what Dr Bob wrote you? Two separate issues. If you wish to change what was written years ago. Hit the notification button. Here is only for policy. And did you get the doc crap? Phillipa
Posted by alexandra_k on December 2, 2013, at 0:39:41
In reply to Re: dog crap, posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2013, at 13:01:50
why do you want to help us?
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2013, at 2:23:15
In reply to That's an interesting proposal. (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on December 1, 2013, at 15:18:57
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2013, at 3:29:57
In reply to Lou's rply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-1050578 » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 1, 2013, at 15:22:11
> > I'm ... open to the following compromise: if (1) we agree that a statement could potentially be seen as putting down Jews and (2) we agree on a restatement that would be more conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, then I'll post that restatement to that thread.
>
> I am open to any way that you could effect remedial action to the posts in question that in particular but not limited to, put down Jews and/or be accusative or defaming to me or others.
> One way that you have already done so is in the following. The idea is to do something in the thread where the post in question appears so that:
> A. readers could know that the statement is not supportive or conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and will not be good for this community as a whole,
> and,
> B. The reason that changes what was originally posted that could be seen as civil, but now it is not.
> and,
> C. If or if not you made an error originally.My preference would be to do this in a positive way. Rather than label a statement as not supportive, post a restatement that would be more supportive. Rather than label myself as having done something wrong, doing something better.
If you'd consider that, we could give it a try and see if it's actually possible.
Bob
Posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 8:27:11
In reply to Re: I'm glad you think so (nm) » SLS, posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2013, at 2:23:15
You have the patience of a saint.
I see that your current interactions with Lou Pilder are very positive and constructive. I am incredulous. But then again, that's why they pay you the big bucks.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2013, at 10:01:27
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2013, at 3:29:57
> > > I'm ... open to the following compromise: if (1) we agree that a statement could potentially be seen as putting down Jews and (2) we agree on a restatement that would be more conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, then I'll post that restatement to that thread.
> >
> > I am open to any way that you could effect remedial action to the posts in question that in particular but not limited to, put down Jews and/or be accusative or defaming to me or others.
> > One way that you have already done so is in the following. The idea is to do something in the thread where the post in question appears so that:
> > A. readers could know that the statement is not supportive or conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and will not be good for this community as a whole,
> > and,
> > B. The reason that changes what was originally posted that could be seen as civil, but now it is not.
> > and,
> > C. If or if not you made an error originally.
>
> My preference would be to do this in a positive way. Rather than label a statement as not supportive, post a restatement that would be more supportive. Rather than label myself as having done something wrong, doing something better.
>
> If you'd consider that, we could give it a try and see if it's actually possible.
>
> BobMr Hsiung,
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here by what you have posted to me. If you could post what you prefer to do with the following, then I could have a better understanding of your proposal and respond accordingly. I would like to see how you could address this post that puts down, in particular but not limited to, Jews.
The post is something like:
[...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
What I would be looking for in your response to that post is if your response clarifies to readers that the statement in question is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community according to your rules to not post what could put down those of other faiths that do have a pathway back to God, which I think could put out any fire of hate toward Jews and Islamic people and the others that could result from the insult to those people of those religions by the statement precluding those people of those faiths that are not Christiandom based, from having a pathway back to God.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2013, at 19:12:28
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-pstlbrnng » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on December 3, 2013, at 10:01:27
Lou is anyone sure of what you post. I feel that you could be unsure for a long time. Is Dr Bob in your eyes unable to post a comment so you feel sure? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2013, at 0:49:12
In reply to Re: I'm glad you think so » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 8:27:11
> You have the patience of a saint.
Thanks. Wouldn't you say Lou has shown patience, too?
Bob
Posted by SLS on December 5, 2013, at 8:09:35
In reply to Re: patience, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2013, at 0:49:12
> > You have the patience of a saint.
>
> Thanks. Wouldn't you say Lou has shown patience, too?
>
> BobI would say that Lou Pilder excels in his resolve and vigilance to effect change. I am not as sure about his having patience, though. However, I am not as "tuned-in" to him as you are.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 5, 2013, at 18:01:56
In reply to Re: patience, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2013, at 0:49:12
> > You have the patience of a saint.
>
> Thanks. Wouldn't you say Lou has shown patience, too?
>
> BobMr Hsiung,
You wrote, [...Lou has shown patience.... ]The fact that you have stated that you give yourself the option of not responding to me so that others can see your non-response to my requests/notifications as some type of encouragement for the members to also not respond to me, is in and of itself described in the psychological literature. And the fact that you have had multiple deputies to do your wishes, and they also have not responded to my requests/notifications over years, could cause
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