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Posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 22:03:45
In reply to Lou's response-ewnohbedder » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 16:08:21
> 10_
"10derHeart"
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 22:08:55
In reply to Lou's response-ewnohbedder » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 16:08:21
Lou Pilder.
If you would like to bully someone, why don't you try bullying me?
By the way, don't mistake silence for capitulation. It might instead represent indifference.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 22:17:02
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wohtudohz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 21:38:06
> Lou no one could have interpreted what I asked better than you. Thanks you are awesome. Yes the information was posted I aked and it was and is demeaning. And agree Dr Bob Could have clarified how he received the information. Phillipa
I guess you feel that Dr. Bob has disenfranchised you and denied you that which is truly yours?
- Scott
Posted by corkskru on January 9, 2013, at 22:18:00
In reply to Lou's response-wohtudohz » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 21:13:02
Lou, I am glad there is not a multiple choice answer for me to decipher here and I can clearly understand what you have stated. :) In all fairness, I feel the emotional level created by the sudden news of Maxime's passing last year has caused us to react/respond in ways we wouldn't normally.
I feel that a delete/edit post option would be a good way for the community to self-steer the direction of any thread and keep it from going in the wrong direction since there is such a lack of timely moderation. For a moderated discussion forum, I would give this board a D- and can see how one would not stay here long. It seems to me this is another component of study on this board in that as in life, you can't take back words... but one can apologize.
Posted by corkskru on January 9, 2013, at 22:42:16
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wohtudohz » Phillipa, posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 22:17:02
Scott, if I understand your reply correctly, you are sarcastically implying that the supporting statment(s)/ documentation about the passing of Maxime are to be Dr Bobs and never to be shared in some shape or fashion to validate the authenticity?
I have found you to be the biggest advocate of questioning any info, ask for documentation/links/supporting facts to back any claim made by others. To just readily accept anything on here, on the web (or with many IRL situations)without questioning is not encouraged(except in a dictator type environment).
If I am off base or read it wrong, I apologize and will get back to my real life as you can be anyone here and do/have done anything here (which is kinda cool) ~:o)
Posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 23:02:00
In reply to Bully. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 22:08:55
Scott I can not believe you of all people are advocating bullying as isn't this one of the factors of your mental health you have posted led to your Treatment Resistant Depression Which Stole Your Life From Your Teens Into Your 50's Stealing all the Years of Your Life When You Could Have Been Positively Contributing To Society In The Work Place? Or Was It The Doctors Or Medications. I'm Sure I could Bully You. But Bullying Is The Cause Of Mental Illness in some cases and I would not want to be a part of hurting another individual so it's off to my real life also where I am Me. Without a pseudoname Phillipa
Posted by Emme_V2 on January 9, 2013, at 23:39:31
In reply to Re: Bully. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 23:02:00
> Scott I can not believe you of all people are advocating bullying as isn't this one of the factors of your mental health you have posted led to your Treatment Resistant Depression Which Stole Your Life From Your Teens Into Your 50's Stealing all the Years of Your Life When You Could Have Been Positively Contributing To Society In The Work Place? Or Was It The Doctors Or Medications. I'm Sure I could Bully You. But Bullying Is The Cause Of Mental Illness in some cases and I would not want to be a part of hurting another individual so it's off to my real life also where I am Me. Without a pseudoname Phillipa
Phillipa,I was perplexed at best when you asked not once but *twice* for information about how Dr. Bob learned of Maxime's death. To suggest that he would post information of such gravity without having it on good authority was insulting to Dr. Bob.
I was horrified that you made a comparison to Sandy Hook in a thread about Maximes passing, and I should have spoken up at the time.
When 10derheart called you on it, you replied in what I consider to be a scoffing manner.
Now you are saying that Scott is advocating bullying, which is ludicrous, and making snide remarks about the course of his life.
Dont you think enough is enough?
Posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2013, at 0:33:24
In reply to Re: Bully. » Phillipa, posted by Emme_V2 on January 9, 2013, at 23:39:31
I think Scott called Lou a Bully when responding to that post his subject line is in the title. No I don't feel I'm asking too much for some confirmation in a matter as grave as this as I remember when I was asked by a poster's Mother to post his death and the details as she didn't want others to think was suicide. wanted them to know that medical conditions can also cause death. And when you hear someone in real life say so and so died do you ask what happened? I know I do. As for Scott he can and I'm sure will speak up for himself.
Posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2013, at 0:53:58
In reply to Re: Bully. » Phillipa, posted by Emme_V2 on January 9, 2013, at 23:39:31
No Scott isn't advocating bullying he stated that Lou was bullying and he wasn't he was standing up for me. I would be horrified if I died and someone didn't want to know what happened. If it was just accepted without a question and announced a year after the death wouldn't you have even more than one question? I know science will die the day scientists don't ask why and continue questioning results as then they will no longer care. One more not on Bullying it's one of the hottest topics lately in the news as many teens as committing suicide from cyber bullying. And Scott has written more than once that as a child he was bullied. Which in turn causes a form of PTSD. And isn't I wouldn't absolutely know one of his meds prozosin which he has posted is for PTSD. I'm tired done with my work on ebay tonight time to go to bed . Peace to you.
Posted by Beckett on January 10, 2013, at 1:01:44
In reply to Re: Bully. » Emme_V2, posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2013, at 0:33:24
Phillipa,
This hurts. Remember when Maxime asked you to respect her privacy shortly before she left? It was regarding a photograph or Internet picture. I don't think you understood what that meant to her then, and I don't think you completely understand other's differing privacy issues now.
Can you please stop this inquiry of yours? Please just stop. This argument hurts my head, and I already feel so sad.
Please put this to rest.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2013, at 3:22:55
In reply to Re: Bully. » Phillipa, posted by Emme_V2 on January 9, 2013, at 23:39:31
> How did you come to find out of Maxime's Untimely death?
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> PhillipaA Babbler forwarded me a link to her obituary.
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> What you have posted to Phillipa is known in the world of psychology as a self-rightious discharge of aggression toward her.
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> Lou> Where does the Society of Hypocrisy hold its meetings? I'm sure you know as you are the president.
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> 10derheart> Lord, the entitlement!
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> gg> Bully.
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> SLSPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Two wrongs don't make a right.
> Dont you think enough is enough?
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> Emme_V2I do!
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> It might be a good thing to be intolerant and unkind when conditions exist that you feel strongly about and would like to see changed. If never an unkind word were said, society wouldn't work.
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> - ScottI do think that's sometimes why posters feel being uncivil is justified.
> I posted here as {in loco moderatori} which is allowed here under the rules. Mr Hsiung has a procedure to follow as per the notification procedure. But there are years of outstanding notifications from me to Mr Hsiung. So I became in loco moderatori
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> LouWhere does it say that's allowed? My not responding to a poster's notification doesn't make them a deputy.
> when there are no rules and no moderation....I joined the wild, wild, west, too :-(
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> 10derheart> I feel that a delete/edit post option would be a good way for the community to self-steer the direction of any thread and keep it from going in the wrong direction since there is such a lack of timely moderation. For a moderated discussion forum, I would give this board a D- and can see how one would not stay here long. It seems to me this is another component of study on this board in that as in life, you can't take back words... but one can apologize.
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> corkskru> Apologies were invented for a reason, but just don't overuse them.
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> SLSIf timely moderation by me is what someone's looking for, you're right, this might not be the forum for them. Thanks for not giving me an F.
We've discussed a limited delete/edit option, and I'd still like to implement that someday. In the meantime, apologies are a great alternative, and have the advantage of being applicable in "real" life.
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> In all fairness, I feel the emotional level created by the sudden news of Maxime's passing last year has caused us to react/respond in ways we wouldn't normally.
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> corkskruLearning about Maxime certainly didn't help, that's a good point.
Bob
Posted by Emme_V2 on January 10, 2013, at 6:32:40
In reply to Re: Bully. » Emme_V2, posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2013, at 0:33:24
> I think Scott called Lou a Bully when responding to that post his subject line is in the title.
Thus, he was protesting against what he saw as bullying behavior, not advocating it.
> No I don't feel I'm asking too much for some confirmation in a matter as grave as this as I remember when I was asked by a poster's Mother to post his death and the details as she didn't want others to think was suicide.
You were obeying a specific request from someone in this matter. The situation is, therefore, not analogous. I personally would never ask for details about someone's passing on a public internet forum, and if Bob, who is I am sure quite busy took the time to post it, I am confident that he did so with good authority.
> wanted them to know that medical conditions can also cause death.
Mental illnesses are medical conditions; they not infrequently kill through suicide.
> And when you hear someone in real life say so and so died do you ask what happened? I know I do.
Even if I wondered in my head, I would never ask that question on a public forum. It is up to the family to decide how much information gets passed around, especially to people they do not personally know.
> As for Scott he can and I'm sure will speak up for himself.I am sure he will if he wishes to.
Posted by SLS on January 10, 2013, at 7:01:55
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wohtudohz, posted by corkskru on January 9, 2013, at 22:42:16
> Scott, if I understand your reply correctly, you are sarcastically implying that the supporting statment(s)/ documentation about the passing of Maxime are to be Dr Bobs and never to be shared in some shape or fashion to validate the authenticity?
> I have found you to be the biggest advocate of questioning any info, ask for documentation/links/supporting facts to back any claim made by others. To just readily accept anything on here, on the web (or with many IRL situations)without questioning is not encouraged(except in a dictator type environment).
> If I am off base or read it wrong, I apologize and will get back to my real life as you can be anyone here and do/have done anything here (which is kinda cool) ~:o)I will spend some more time reviewing Phillipa's post. I may have been too quick to judge and react. I do not believe that Dr. Bob owes us anything, especially knowledge that he would prefer to remain confidential. To infer that we are somehow entitled to have access to all of the information Dr. Bob has in his possession is an ironic. We, as mentally ill people, should have a keen respect for confidentiality and privacy.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 10, 2013, at 7:02:48
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wohtudohz » corkskru, posted by SLS on January 10, 2013, at 7:01:55
Posted by Emme_V2 on January 10, 2013, at 7:13:30
In reply to Re: untimely moderation, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2013, at 3:22:55
Thanks for coming by. Hopefully the level of turbulence here will start to go back down. I'm tired out now, and I usually don't take things all that hard. But I want 10derheart to stay. I wish Maxime could have lived and felt better. I wish the entire country were less divided on everything under the sun. Sorry, I'm going off on tangents. I need morning coffee. It's a new day. May we all start to have some peace.
Posted by SLS on January 10, 2013, at 8:49:38
In reply to Re: Bully. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 23:02:00
> Scott I can not believe you of all people are advocating bullying as isn't this one of the factors of your mental health you have posted led to your Treatment Resistant Depression Which Stole Your Life From Your Teens Into Your 50's Stealing all the Years of Your Life When You Could Have Been Positively Contributing To Society In The Work Place? Or Was It The Doctors Or Medications. I'm Sure I could Bully You. But Bullying Is The Cause Of Mental Illness in some cases and I would not want to be a part of hurting another individual so it's off to my real life also where I am Me. Without a pseudoname Phillipa
> Scott I can not believe you of all people are advocating bullying as isn't this one of the factors of your mental health you have posted led to your Treatment Resistant Depression Which Stole Your Life From Your Teens Into Your 50's Stealing all the Years of Your Life When You Could Have Been Positively Contributing To Society In The Work Place? Or Was It The Doctors Or Medications. I'm Sure I could Bully You. But Bullying Is The Cause Of Mental Illness in some cases and I would not want to be a part of hurting another individual so it's off to my real life also where I am Me. Without a pseudoname Phillipa
It is a disappointment to me that you were unable to extract the meaning of my post. That it was clearly ant-bullying somehow escaped you.I thank you for your well-deliberated consideration of my privacy
I thank you for your well-deliberated consideration of my feelings and emotional stability.
I thank you for your caring enough about me such that you would recite my personal history here for everyone else to see, especially as you portray that history with such kindness and compassion.
I would prefer that you never again recite the history of my life - what little of it that I have thus far disclosed. You use it against me in a way that makes me regret every having interacted with you. I am uncomfortable with your keeping a database or journal about me - even if the storage media lies in your head. Your use of capital letters in your post towards me leads me to believe that you are angry with me. I am beyond anger with you. Please don't post things about me - things that I thought I could trust you with. I was naive to you. I tend to think the best of everyone. However, you taught me a otherwise, and I must now purge myself of your negative energy so that I can once again enjoy the bliss of innocence. Cynacism is like a norovirus. It turns my stomach.
You felt the need to say the following to me, "I'm Sure I could Bully You." The irony is that you are doing to me exactly what you are saying I did to Lou Pilder. You seem to feel that you can bully me. So, tell me, are you a bully? Was your use of capital letters in your post to me an attempt to display your bullying prowess? Well, I will keep my evaluation of your bullying skills to myself - and you have no right to know what my conclusions are to be.
Do me a favor, do not post anything about my character or history as I have not done this to you. Whenever someone has nowhere to go in a debate or argument with me, they inevitably attempt to use their knowledge of me against me. This is juvenile and insulting. It is also hurtful. I don't need you to remind me of my horrific and painful past.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 10, 2013, at 9:01:11
In reply to Re: untimely moderation, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2013, at 3:22:55
Hi Doctor.
I am glad that you have come to visit us and provide guidance and learning opportunities, which I personally find very beneficial to me and my growth as a human being.
I will need to make some adjustments, though. I may have collected a fair bit of rust.
Thank you.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2013, at 9:30:28
In reply to Re: untimely moderation, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2013, at 3:22:55
Thanks Dr Bob For clarifying the method of notification. And to know you actually saw the obituary. I feel deeply grieved to know it is true. A part of me didn't want to believe it. I just didn't want to know she is gone. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 11:57:25
In reply to Re: Bully. » Phillipa, posted by SLS on January 10, 2013, at 8:49:38
Scott per Archieves. So I didn't give out personal information it came from you with the posting of this article in 2010. Just for clarification as this bothered me. As know can't correspond privately with you no babblemail light on or email. Phillipa
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20090421/msgs/894853.html
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 12:09:30
In reply to Re: Bully. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 11:57:25
It is a relief to me to see I didn't disclose personal information about you. Also interesting your babble light is on in the post so assuming your light is blocked to me. As it's off in threads now. Now way for me to contact you. Maybe the others can. I wasn't aware you could turn ones babble light off to a particular person. Learn something everyday.Phillipa
Posted by SLS on January 11, 2013, at 12:36:25
In reply to Re: Bully. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 11:57:25
> Scott per Archieves. So I didn't give out personal information it came from you with the posting of this article in 2010. Just for clarification as this bothered me. As know can't correspond privately with you no babblemail light on or email. Phillipa
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20090421/msgs/894853.html
You just don't get it, do you!Personal is not the same as private. During our brief period of correspondence, I do hope that I was careful enough not to trust you with private information, although you seemed nice enough at the time. In the past, I purposely disclosed personal information on Psycho-Babble as a generous contribution so that others may learn from it or feel supported. Very often, it was also my way of pleading for help.
Until recently, I never thought twice about disclosing some of the details of my personal life. However, you are now one of a handful of people to use this information as a weapon against me during an adversarial interchange. I am not only disappointed - I am disgusted.
I have nothing left to say to you.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 11, 2013, at 12:52:18
In reply to Re: I can rest easy know didn't give out personal, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 12:09:30
> It is a relief to me to see I didn't disclose personal information about you. Also interesting your babble light is on in the post so assuming your light is blocked to me. As it's off in threads now. Now way for me to contact you. Maybe the others can. I wasn't aware you could turn ones babble light off to a particular person. Learn something everyday.Phillipa
Rest easy, Pillipa. Rest easy.
It didn't matter to you whether the personal information you were to post here was private or not. It was only after you posted it that you decided to take a look at the archives. You wouldn't have known whether I had posted my information here or in a private communication to you several years ago. I am happy for you that you now find yourself ensconced in the warmth of a luxuriantly clean conscience.
You abused me.
It doesn't matter where the information came from.
I have left my Babblemail on for one person in particular. This person is not you.
- Scott
Posted by Twinleaf on January 11, 2013, at 14:15:54
In reply to Re: Bully. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 23:02:00
This post is very distressing to read. I feel shocked and disillusioned to find someone I thought I knew misinterpreting a post so completely, and writing such a hurtful and destructive response.
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 15:48:01
In reply to Re: Bully. » Phillipa, posted by Twinleaf on January 11, 2013, at 14:15:54
I felt bullied so searched to archieves to make sure the information I remembered was indeed public knowledge. Oh also I do not have files wiped clean with FBI virus & new computer. Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on January 11, 2013, at 16:55:58
In reply to Re: Defense against Breaching Confidentiality, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2013, at 15:48:01
Every second time someone dies it becomes a shitfight.
It's like politics......our grudges/resentment/hatred are stronger than our care/love of the whole.
And maybe there is no way out of that.
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