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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:16:58
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-bzdcogimpair » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 22, 2012, at 21:56:44
> I'm really sorry Lou you will just never understand. Although at one time I tried to help you. Phillipa
Phillipa,
What is what you wrote in referrence to?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:26:36
In reply to Re: Lou's request to the building a zoning commisioner » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 22, 2012, at 16:49:10
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > My Shoppe was broken down and the electric turned off. People came in and made it uninhabitable.
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> Are you not able to see that you have been doing to others for years that which you now complain is being done to you?
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> No one owns a thread.
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> You take advantage of this policy every day when you post along threads started by others in order to further your agenda.
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> If the originator of a thread were to ask of you specifically not to post along that thread, would you honor their wishes?
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> Why should anyone be considerate of your feelings when you are not considerate of those of others? I, for one, will not entertain your request that your threads be free from challenge or comment.
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> Your characterization of others making your thread "uninhabitable" is ironic in that you may indeed be doing the same to an entire forum. Is this purposeful? You are too clever for it not to be. Do unto others? Okay.
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> You insist on posting things that would have been prohibited when Psycho-Babble was actively moderated. At the very least, I would like to see you sanctioned for overgeneralization and exaggeration.
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> When the "zoning commissioner" does appear, you might very well be prohibited from the posting behavior that you now engage in. I do hope so. It very well might have been a strategic error on your part for you to suggest an intervention by Dr. Bob.
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> I hope you soon learn to enjoy reciprocity.
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>
> - ScottScott,
Do you not see that this forum is for people with differfent points of view? And my point of view does not stop you from posting to others to change their drugs to what you advise them to take, nor does my point of view cause anyone to read what I post for they could just ignore what I post here. Members are free to start their own threads, stop being in a thread, and reply or not.
But I say to you, that those that want to suppress what I want to say, could result in an indoctrination here where my perspective is missing. And there could be parents that could have not drugged their child and their child died, and if there was my perspective suppressed that could have saved their child's life, then whose blood would the dead child's be upon?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:42:08
In reply to Lou's reply-huzbld » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:26:36
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > My Shoppe was broken down and the electric turned off. People came in and made it uninhabitable.
> >
> >
> > Are you not able to see that you have been doing to others for years that which you now complain is being done to you?
> >
> > No one owns a thread.
> >
> > You take advantage of this policy every day when you post along threads started by others in order to further your agenda.
> >
> > If the originator of a thread were to ask of you specifically not to post along that thread, would you honor their wishes?
> >
> > Why should anyone be considerate of your feelings when you are not considerate of those of others? I, for one, will not entertain your request that your threads be free from challenge or comment.
> >
> > Your characterization of others making your thread "uninhabitable" is ironic in that you may indeed be doing the same to an entire forum. Is this purposeful? You are too clever for it not to be. Do unto others? Okay.
> >
> > You insist on posting things that would have been prohibited when Psycho-Babble was actively moderated. At the very least, I would like to see you sanctioned for overgeneralization and exaggeration.
> >
> > When the "zoning commissioner" does appear, you might very well be prohibited from the posting behavior that you now engage in. I do hope so. It very well might have been a strategic error on your part for you to suggest an intervention by Dr. Bob.
> >
> > I hope you soon learn to enjoy reciprocity.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> Do you not see that this forum is for people with differfent points of view? And my point of view does not stop you from posting to others to change their drugs to what you advise them to take, nor does my point of view cause anyone to read what I post for they could just ignore what I post here. Members are free to start their own threads, stop being in a thread, and reply or not.
> But I say to you, that those that want to suppress what I want to say, could result in an indoctrination here where my perspective is missing. And there could be parents that could have not drugged their child and their child died, and if there was my perspective suppressed that could have saved their child's life, then whose blood would the dead child's be upon?
> Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 22:51:19
In reply to Lou's reply-huzbld » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:26:36
Would you accept the responsibility of blood on your hands should anyone cause harm to themselves or others from not taking needed medications?
Posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2012, at 0:12:07
In reply to Lou's reply-chldsui, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:42:08
> ... and if there was my perspective suppressed that could have saved their child's life, then whose blood would the dead child's be upon?
> > LouI call b*llsh*t. If your perspective were so imperative, then wouldn't you have a moral duty to post it as widely as possible? That you would choose this site, with its significantly declining views is a piss-poor use of your time and energy if what you have to say is so life-changing.
So again, b*llsh*t. But I believe that you believe what you write. Sadly.
gg
Posted by Dinah on October 23, 2012, at 8:13:25
In reply to Lou's request to the building a zoning commisioner, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 15:38:23
Lou, while I stand by everything I've said the last few days, I do want to say that I don't want to exclude you from the community. Indeed, I tend to think that showing respect for others in the community, refraining from accusing them of pushing murderous psych drugs or fostering potential violence, and being responsive to their expressed wishes, your ties to the community could be strengthened, not lessened.
Posted by SLS on October 23, 2012, at 9:36:20
In reply to Lou's reply-huzbld » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:26:36
> Do you not see that this forum is for people with differfent points of view?
I certainly do, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. It is my disagreement of your point of view that you seem unable to tolerate. So it is ironic that this should be an issue with you.
> And my point of view does not stop you from posting to others...
You are not telling me anything that I don't already know and put into practice. I am also very much aware of my freedom to post to you at my discretion, either within threads started by you or by anyone else.
> ...nor point of view cause anyone to read what I post for they could just ignore what I post here.
I am not sure as to what are all of the various reasons why people read your posts. I do know that some people do this, despite being upset or incensed by them. It just is.
> But I say to you, that those that want to suppress what I want to say, could result in an indoctrination here where my perspective is missing.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't feel that I am in any way suppressing what you say. I have never challenged your freedom to speak within the guidelines of the Psycho-Babble forum. I am simply disagree with you and challenging your conclusions and those things that you offer as being fact. This is the way of freedom of speech and democracy, and the synthesis of opinion through the dialectic method.
Posting here is a privelege. It seems to me that you are very priveleged, indeed.
I believe that your posts are a detriment to the health of Psycho-Babble as a living forum, and also impact negatively upon the health of many people coming here looking for support and education. I believe that you provide neither, despite the presumed altruistic nature of your motivations. I find the content of your posts to have the potential to do more harm than good.
For the most part, I refrain from replying to, or commenting on, your posts. I can't recall you ever answering a direct question that I posed to you as a challenge to your sources of information and conclusions. Until this forum is once again moderated, I guess I could say anything I want to as long as I don't use profanity. However, I elect to post with some degree of civility. I do so despite your failing to observe the civility proscriptions of overgeneralization and exaggeration.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 23, 2012, at 20:22:58
In reply to Lou's reply- » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 22:16:58
Lou remember when we even emailed and I was really trying to help you post in a way that was more supportive. And kind of lightening up? I do think Lou's Little Shoppe is a great idea. But please don't scare someone with anti med stuff. Read the top of the boards and it says people may be scared or shy and a warm hello or welcome could help them feel less afraid? Think you could try this? It could help both you and the other posters. Just a thought Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 20:56:15
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 23, 2012, at 20:22:58
> Lou remember when we even emailed and I was really trying to help you post in a way that was more supportive. And kind of lightening up? I do think Lou's Little Shoppe is a great idea. But please don't scare someone with anti med stuff. Read the top of the boards and it says people may be scared or shy and a warm hello or welcome could help them feel less afraid? Think you could try this? It could help both you and the other posters. Just a thought Phillipa
Well, if people were allowd to know the facts, then they could have the opportunity to make a more-informed decision as to take mind-altering chemicals into their syatem, or to drug their children. Now if they were allowed to know here what I am prohibited to share here, by the nature of the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung, then I think that if they knew that the drugs could kill them or cause them to kill others, then if they did not take those drugs, they would not be scared of the drugs killing them.
The forum is for support and education which Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence. So offering facts, facts that could mark the difference between life and death, takes precedence. I come to save the lives of people, not to please them. Overcoming addiction lives after them, the drugs are oft interred in their bones.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 21:33:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-chldsui » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2012, at 0:12:07
>
> > ... and if there was my perspective suppressed that could have saved their child's life, then whose blood would the dead child's be upon?
> > > Lou
>
> I call b*llsh*t. If your perspective were so imperative, then wouldn't you have a moral duty to post it as widely as possible? That you would choose this site, with its significantly declining views is a piss-poor use of your time and energy if what you have to say is so life-changing.
>
> So again, b*llsh*t. But I believe that you believe what you write. Sadly.
>
> gggg, You wrote,[...b*llsh*t...you would choose this site...what you have to say is so life-changing...you believe what you write...].
I have not chosen this site. I have been sent. I have been sent to seek he lost sheep, the broken-hearted, those that are captives, so that they can exchange beauty for ashes and the oil of joy for mourning, and the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness, that they might be called trees of righteousness planted for the glory of God.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 21:53:04
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-huzbld » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 23, 2012, at 9:36:20
> > Do you not see that this forum is for people with differfent points of view?
>
> I certainly do, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. It is my disagreement of your point of view that you seem unable to tolerate. So it is ironic that this should be an issue with you.
>
> > And my point of view does not stop you from posting to others...
>
> You are not telling me anything that I don't already know and put into practice. I am also very much aware of my freedom to post to you at my discretion, either within threads started by you or by anyone else.
>
> > ...nor point of view cause anyone to read what I post for they could just ignore what I post here.
>
> I am not sure as to what are all of the various reasons why people read your posts. I do know that some people do this, despite being upset or incensed by them. It just is.
>
> > But I say to you, that those that want to suppress what I want to say, could result in an indoctrination here where my perspective is missing.
>
> I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't feel that I am in any way suppressing what you say. I have never challenged your freedom to speak within the guidelines of the Psycho-Babble forum. I am simply disagree with you and challenging your conclusions and those things that you offer as being fact. This is the way of freedom of speech and democracy, and the synthesis of opinion through the dialectic method.
>
> Posting here is a privelege. It seems to me that you are very priveleged, indeed.
>
> I believe that your posts are a detriment to the health of Psycho-Babble as a living forum, and also impact negatively upon the health of many people coming here looking for support and education. I believe that you provide neither, despite the presumed altruistic nature of your motivations. I find the content of your posts to have the potential to do more harm than good.
>
> For the most part, I refrain from replying to, or commenting on, your posts. I can't recall you ever answering a direct question that I posed to you as a challenge to your sources of information and conclusions. Until this forum is once again moderated, I guess I could say anything I want to as long as I don't use profanity. However, I elect to post with some degree of civility. I do so despite your failing to observe the civility proscriptions of overgeneralization and exaggeration.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
If you are referring to that I posted that I have seen many die here from the drugs, and you think {many} is overgenerizing, be advised that I have studied as to post their names and stories here or not and at this time there are overiding issues that have kept me from posting about the dead members here that died from drugs. Maybe at some time, I could consider it appropriate to do so, but not now.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 22:24:11
In reply to Re: Lou's request to the building a zoning commisioner » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 23, 2012, at 8:13:25
> Lou, while I stand by everything I've said the last few days, I do want to say that I don't want to exclude you from the community. Indeed, I tend to think that showing respect for others in the community, refraining from accusing them of pushing murderous psych drugs or fostering potential violence, and being responsive to their expressed wishes, your ties to the community could be strengthened, not lessened.
D,
My citezinship is above. I am here sorjourning and have no ties here. I come here to point to the Way to freedom from depression and addiction from mind-altering drugs that could cause one to kill themselves or others. I come to bring down from above the healing that could touch those here and ressurrect them out of the dead to a new life, free from the slavery of drugs, free from pain, free from sorrow, free from death. And when I leave, I will see them again in the glory of the Kingdom of Peace with me, above, and they will sing a new song.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 23, 2012, at 22:56:49
In reply to Lou's reply-gewlyuz » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 20:56:15
Lou now I'm concerned about you. It's just my feeling that you have possibly crossed the line into delusional thinking. No one sent you here. Did Dr Bob write you and ask you to come to babble and save people from taking medications? Are you yourself now off your medications? If so I seriously feel you should see your doc and be evaluated. Who is this white horse? Do others see the white horse? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 0:48:40
In reply to Lou's reply-ohvrjen, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 21:53:04
I have as much right to post on any thread as you do.
That's all.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 0:55:20
In reply to Lou's reply-ohvrjen, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 21:53:04
> I have as much right to post on any thread as you do.
>
> That's all.
Wait. That's not quite right.I currently have as much privilege to post on any thread as you do.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 4:22:23
In reply to Lou's reply-anewsong » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 22:24:11
> My citezinship is above. I am here sorjourning and have no ties here.
Well, I can see where that would pose a problem. Most of the rest of us consider ourselves part of a community, and value the ties with each other. Therefore we try to be respectful of each other, and consider the impact of our words on each other.
> I come here to point to the Way to freedom from depression and addiction from mind-altering drugs that could cause one to kill themselves or others. I come to bring down from above the healing that could touch those here and ressurrect them out of the dead to a new life, free from the slavery of drugs, free from pain, free from sorrow, free from death.
I never had the sense that you thought *you* were the rider. Do you? If you mean you were *sent* by the rider, then don't you think that a bit of pragmatism might be helpful? I've said all along that I don't think the approach you're choosing is the best one to accomplish your objectives. Don't you think that people might be more likely to listen to your message if you deliver it in such a way as to make them more likely to want to listen to *you*? Making accusations against the members of this community may fit in fine with the tradition of h*ll and d*mnation sort of preachers. But this isn't a revival meeting, and it isn't likely to appeal to your target audience. If you alienate people, they aren't likely to listen to even your most valid points.
> And when I leave, I will see them again in the glory of the Kingdom of Peace with me, above, and they will sing a new song.
> LouI will certainly attempt to interpret this in the most positive way I can.
And I must say I'm rather saddened by the fact that you see Babblers as "them" instead of "we".
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 4:26:07
In reply to Lou's reply-ohvrjen, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2012, at 21:53:04
> Scott,
> If you are referring to that I posted that I have seen many die here from the drugs, and you think {many} is overgenerizing, be advised that I have studied as to post their names and stories here or not and at this time there are overiding issues that have kept me from posting about the dead members here that died from drugs. Maybe at some time, I could consider it appropriate to do so, but not now.
> LouI think that's wise. I hope you think long and hard about the appropriateness of ever doing so. I don't think it would in any way further your stated goals.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 5:22:39
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-anewsong » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 4:22:23
> > My citezinship is above. I am here sorjourning and have no ties here.
>
> Well, I can see where that would pose a problem. Most of the rest of us consider ourselves part of a community, and value the ties with each other. Therefore we try to be respectful of each other, and consider the impact of our words on each other.
>
> > I come here to point to the Way to freedom from depression and addiction from mind-altering drugs that could cause one to kill themselves or others. I come to bring down from above the healing that could touch those here and ressurrect them out of the dead to a new life, free from the slavery of drugs, free from pain, free from sorrow, free from death.
>
> I never had the sense that you thought *you* were the rider. Do you? If you mean you were *sent* by the rider, then don't you think that a bit of pragmatism might be helpful? I've said all along that I don't think the approach you're choosing is the best one to accomplish your objectives. Don't you think that people might be more likely to listen to your message if you deliver it in such a way as to make them more likely to want to listen to *you*? Making accusations against the members of this community may fit in fine with the tradition of h*ll and d*mnation sort of preachers. But this isn't a revival meeting, and it isn't likely to appeal to your target audience. If you alienate people, they aren't likely to listen to even your most valid points.
>
> > And when I leave, I will see them again in the glory of the Kingdom of Peace with me, above, and they will sing a new song.
> > Lou
>
> I will certainly attempt to interpret this in the most positive way I can.
>
> And I must say I'm rather saddened by the fact that you see Babblers as "them" instead of "we".D,
You wrote,[...most of us consider ourselves part of the community...try to b respectful..].Mr Hsiung has laid the foundation here of what it means to be respectful. I do not want people to adopt his views about Jews. If it is a condition for me to accept Mr Hsiung's attitude toward Jews here that accuses the Jews of what follows in the link to come here, then I would be rejecting the God that I give service and worship to.
Now Mr Hsiung states that what is allowed to stand could be considered to be supportive and good for this community as a whole. And Mr Hsiung states tha he does not wait to sanction uncivility, for one match could stat a forest fire. Yet today, the requests from me to Mr Hsiung here are still outstanding. And the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning here.
Now Mr Hsiung states that what he does also something like what is allowed "reflects the posting policies here." Our Scott brought this up here in his post about Jean Jacques Rousseau. There is much that has been minipulated by Mr Hsiung, or someone that has the password to change the post's content here, that if those posts were restored to their original, more of this could be seen here. But the hatred toward those that worship the God that the Jews worship is still posted by clicking twice. Mr Hsiung opted for his own reasons to leave Rousseau's statement that is an insult to those that worship the God that the Jews give service and worship to on the board and could be thought by some to "reflect the posting policies here." Just click on the table of contents on the faith board provided by Mr Hsiung that brings up Rousseau's wrting that is the foundation of fascism shared by Mussolini and other fascists that added promulgation of hatred toward the Jews.
Well, I say to you, that if I have to accept Mr Hsiung's attitude toward Jews and others that believe in the God that the Jews do, then what does that say "respect" means here?
Friends, I have asked for those that want to comment on posts like this in the link here to go to the admin board and post on those threads there so that I can respond to you there. If you could, then I could have a way to know if you also do or do not support Mr. Hsiung's attitude toward Jews, for schleprock has done so, and some others also. Then I could have some way to know who my brethren are here.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 6:40:20
In reply to Lou's reply-phyerofheyt » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 5:22:39
The key word is "brethren".
In my estimation, it is productive to acknowledge that we are ALL brothers and sisters. I don't like the term "tolerance" so much. It serves to perpetuate the notion that we are more different than we are alike, and that it reinforces in our minds that there exists a segregation of peoples to be tolerated rather than embraced.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 7:55:28
In reply to Lou's reply-phyerofheyt » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 5:22:39
> And the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning here.
I find that unbelievably offensive, Lou. There's no fire of hatred burning towards Jews here. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.
And I don't know what on earth gave you the idea that Dr. Bob has any notions at all about Jews. I've never known him to have any particular feelings about any religion at all, or to show any particular familiarity with any religion. I have no private knowledge of his personal beliefs, but I'd tend to believe it's not a prime concern to him if he's religious at all.
Moreover, to my knowledge, while Dr. Bob deletes posts from blocked posters, and occasionally removes private information from posts, he doesn't alter posts otherwise.
I suppose I believe you believe that. But that's part of the civility rules, Lou. You can believe whatever you want, true or false. But you're not allowed to make accusations - no matter how true you believe them to be.
But Lou, have you not noticed that Dr. Bob is ignoring everyone's notifications? Mine included? He's not monitoring the boards! I suppose it's barely possible that he might deign to honor us with his presence on an irregular basis, and that might keep us somewhat in line. But he's not routinely replying to anyone's notifications. I've pretty much quit trying. Learned helplessness.
Lou, I'm giving you the credit and dignity of holding you to the same standards as everyone else, no matter how unlikely I consider your beliefs on Dr. Bob or anything else to be.
But Lou, his prohibitions against telling everyone who doesn't believe as you do that they're wrong or evil or going to h*ll is not limited to the Jewish faith. Plenty of Christians have been told that as well. As have Democrats and Republicans. His rules were made to keep divisive topics like religion and politics to interfere with the primary purpose of the board.
Really, Lou. I wasn't feeling overly fond of Dr. Bob, and you've made me not only defend him, but actually like and support him again.
This is what I meant by pragmatism. You started out with one goal but achieved a different one - Dr. Bob's goal.
We're all your brethren Lou. Being your brethren doesn't mean we have to agree with everything you say. Perhaps you could use the phrase "followers" instead.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 8:29:15
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-phyerofheyt » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 7:55:28
> > And the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning here.
>
> I find that unbelievably offensive, Lou. There's no fire of hatred burning towards Jews here. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.
>
> And I don't know what on earth gave you the idea that Dr. Bob has any notions at all about Jews. I've never known him to have any particular feelings about any religion at all, or to show any particular familiarity with any religion. I have no private knowledge of his personal beliefs, but I'd tend to believe it's not a prime concern to him if he's religious at all.
>
> Moreover, to my knowledge, while Dr. Bob deletes posts from blocked posters, and occasionally removes private information from posts, he doesn't alter posts otherwise.
>
> I suppose I believe you believe that. But that's part of the civility rules, Lou. You can believe whatever you want, true or false. But you're not allowed to make accusations - no matter how true you believe them to be.
>
> But Lou, have you not noticed that Dr. Bob is ignoring everyone's notifications? Mine included? He's not monitoring the boards! I suppose it's barely possible that he might deign to honor us with his presence on an irregular basis, and that might keep us somewhat in line. But he's not routinely replying to anyone's notifications. I've pretty much quit trying. Learned helplessness.
>
> Lou, I'm giving you the credit and dignity of holding you to the same standards as everyone else, no matter how unlikely I consider your beliefs on Dr. Bob or anything else to be.
>
> But Lou, his prohibitions against telling everyone who doesn't believe as you do that they're wrong or evil or going to h*ll is not limited to the Jewish faith. Plenty of Christians have been told that as well. As have Democrats and Republicans. His rules were made to keep divisive topics like religion and politics to interfere with the primary purpose of the board.
>
> Really, Lou. I wasn't feeling overly fond of Dr. Bob, and you've made me not only defend him, but actually like and support him again.
>
> This is what I meant by pragmatism. You started out with one goal but achieved a different one - Dr. Bob's goal.
>
> We're all your brethren Lou. Being your brethren doesn't mean we have to agree with everything you say. Perhaps you could use the phrase "followers" instead.Friends,
The fire of hatrd toward the Jews is still burning here. And as long as members here want to defend Mr Hsiung for allowing the post to go unsanctioned, then the longer the fire hate burns here.
In this post, which is in the archives that people can access at their will, hatred toward the Jews is spewed out upon the members here. And as long as members here deny the reality that the statements are there unsanctioned that stoke the furnace of hate, hatred toward the Jews, then longer the flame burns.
ou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:33:37
In reply to Lou's reply-phyerofheyt-pretndontpsee, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 8:29:15
It's a shame, from my point of view, that Dr. Bob is not moderating these boards.
It's a very lucky thing from your point of view.
Perhaps you should stop complaining about his lack of replies to notifications.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 8:48:08
In reply to Lou's reply-phyerofheyt-pretndontpsee, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 8:29:15
> > > And the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning here.
> >
> > I find that unbelievably offensive, Lou. There's no fire of hatred burning towards Jews here. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.
> >
> > And I don't know what on earth gave you the idea that Dr. Bob has any notions at all about Jews. I've never known him to have any particular feelings about any religion at all, or to show any particular familiarity with any religion. I have no private knowledge of his personal beliefs, but I'd tend to believe it's not a prime concern to him if he's religious at all.
> >
> > Moreover, to my knowledge, while Dr. Bob deletes posts from blocked posters, and occasionally removes private information from posts, he doesn't alter posts otherwise.
> >
> > I suppose I believe you believe that. But that's part of the civility rules, Lou. You can believe whatever you want, true or false. But you're not allowed to make accusations - no matter how true you believe them to be.
> >
> > But Lou, have you not noticed that Dr. Bob is ignoring everyone's notifications? Mine included? He's not monitoring the boards! I suppose it's barely possible that he might deign to honor us with his presence on an irregular basis, and that might keep us somewhat in line. But he's not routinely replying to anyone's notifications. I've pretty much quit trying. Learned helplessness.
> >
> > Lou, I'm giving you the credit and dignity of holding you to the same standards as everyone else, no matter how unlikely I consider your beliefs on Dr. Bob or anything else to be.
> >
> > But Lou, his prohibitions against telling everyone who doesn't believe as you do that they're wrong or evil or going to h*ll is not limited to the Jewish faith. Plenty of Christians have been told that as well. As have Democrats and Republicans. His rules were made to keep divisive topics like religion and politics to interfere with the primary purpose of the board.
> >
> > Really, Lou. I wasn't feeling overly fond of Dr. Bob, and you've made me not only defend him, but actually like and support him again.
> >
> > This is what I meant by pragmatism. You started out with one goal but achieved a different one - Dr. Bob's goal.
> >
> > We're all your brethren Lou. Being your brethren doesn't mean we have to agree with everything you say. Perhaps you could use the phrase "followers" instead.
>
> Friends,
> The fire of hatrd toward the Jews is still burning here. And as long as members here want to defend Mr Hsiung for allowing the post to go unsanctioned, then the longer the fire hate burns here.
> In this post, which is in the archives that people can access at their will, hatred toward the Jews is spewed out upon the members here. And as long as members here deny the reality that the statements are there unsanctioned that stoke the furnace of hate, hatred toward the Jews, then longer the flame burns.
> ou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.htmlFriends,
If anyone wants you to believe that there are not posts here that defame Jews and Islamic people and stoke the fire of hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and others, that is simply a lie. And the lie will be perpetuated as long as the posts remain unsanctioned..
Here the insult to Islam and Juwdaism and other faiths is allowed to stand. Yet Mr Hsiung states that suport takes precedence. So the top ten worst reasons for a religion can be seen as being supportive here as in the second list , #5.
I do not accept Mr Hsiung's rationales/excuses or whatever else he wants to use to justify allowing hate to be promulgated here, hatred toward the Jews, hatred toward Islamic people, hatred to others for any reason, to be spread in this community. And for those that want to be on Mr Hsiung's side to allow him to let the posts stand, you support what is allowed. And what this post in the link here purports is a lie, and anyone that wants to support Mr Hsiunhg is supporting a lie. Look at the 2end list, #5.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:52:26
In reply to Lou's reply-phyerofheyt-wurst, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 8:48:08
You do make me positively adore Dr. Bob, and think he's the best thing since sliced bread.
And I was just previous to this interchange disliking him heartily.
But my reasons for appreciating him more because of your posts is not the ones you state. You are jumping to unwarranted conclusions.
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:56:28
In reply to How DARE you, sirruh » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:52:26
For the first time in what may well be a year.
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