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Posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 14:13:07
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 13:49:34
If bob gets to question each new rule, discuss, ad nauseam, again, every thing that will happen some time (never) I give up. There is no need for all this hostility any longer. Just Stop Today.
New Rules. Dont ask him, tell him. This is on him. He should have taken care of this a LONG time ago. If you don't want to do it, cool. But think of ALL the friends that are gone. And it will continue.....Make this place awesome again! Then I'll be jealous I can't come in! Jade Oh! Wait, one week rule!!!!
Posted by myco on April 7, 2009, at 14:17:27
In reply to Re: No Negotiating except among posters, or, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 14:13:07
*hugs* jjjjade. Glad we're on track here.
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> If bob gets to question each new rule, discuss, ad nauseam, again, every thing that will happen some time (never) I give up. There is no need for all this hostility any longer. Just Stop Today.
> New Rules. Dont ask him, tell him. This is on him. He should have taken care of this a LONG time ago. If you don't want to do it, cool. But think of ALL the friends that are gone. And it will continue.....Make this place awesome again! Then I'll be jealous I can't come in! Jade Oh! Wait, one week rule!!!!
Posted by fayeroe on April 7, 2009, at 14:23:21
In reply to Re: No Negotiating except among posters, or » JadeKelly, posted by myco on April 7, 2009, at 14:17:27
Jade, Myco is trying to help. I don't see any hostility in his post. Just frank talk of how he sees Bob.
It is his sandbox. (Bob's, not Myco's :-) )
Pat
Posted by seldomseen on April 7, 2009, at 15:49:30
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 13:49:34
I would agree with some of what you said, but would maintain that the way things are worded - even punctuated - can make a huge difference in how a post is interpreted.
Consider the following sentences
Woman, without her, man is nothing.
Woman, without her man, is nothing.
Two sentences are just slightly different, but with carry entirely different meanings.
Also without the typical non-verbal cues associated with talking to people, it is virtually impossible to determine intent, tone or rationale behind a post. Therefore, I think the way in which we phrase things here is very important. Basically, we are operating blind.
Seldom
Posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 17:04:41
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************ » JadeKelly, posted by seldomseen on April 7, 2009, at 15:49:30
>Seldom, are you still operating as a go between for Bob? Its fine if you are I would just want to know.
I would agree with some of what you said, but would maintain that the way things are worded - even punctuated - can make a huge difference in how a post is interpreted.
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> Consider the following sentences
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> Woman, without her, man is nothing.
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> Woman, without her man, is nothing.
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> Two sentences are just slightly different, but with carry entirely different meanings.
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> Also without the typical non-verbal cues associated with talking to people, it is virtually impossible to determine intent, tone or rationale behind a post. Therefore, I think the way in which we phrase things here is very important. Basically, we are operating blind.
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> SeldomHi Seldom,
My mother is a librarian and I'm usually very anal about my spelling. My time is limited, I was thinking that most things had been discussed a hundred times, so even with my spelling, bad grammer, etc., you guys would word it how YOU want it. I've been up all night, not 'cause of Babble but I am tired. I did not presume that what I wrote would be final. In which "rule" did I actually change the meaning or intent? I'll fix that now as time is of the essence, and then you can proof the final draft. Would that be okay? I believe I did say that it was a rough, rough draft. No debating the issues with Bob any longer is my only request. I just spent two weeks emailing back and forth with him for NOTHING. No One ever says "here's what we want"
I have many people that want this. Do you? Do you have blocked friends? Which board do you hang at the most? I had wanted to get to know you as I believe we have something in common with our sons. One week block, maybe I'll be back!
Posted by myco on April 7, 2009, at 17:37:13
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 17:04:41
This is good wording. d/r also had some good wording. Logical advice and questions here.
So we have here some straight up logical easily dealt with questions that will the bring the board closer to an agreement.
I would like to see admin address each question thoroughly not vaguely not by throwing questions back and turning them around on the posters.
Issue number one...two...three....provide answers.
Example, from my own experience ok. A joke can and should be posted in any context, including "dirty" if the poster so chooses as long as the subject line indicates its potential to cause offence. I raised this point but it was not addressed at all...not even mentioned in his response. That is a logical easy to deal with question...how much more simple.
Both Jade and d/r had simple addressable issues as well nicely laid out and yet none were addressed accordingly...just spit back at the poster or completely ignored. How does that indicate to anyone that there is any cooperation available from admin?
It's all turned back around. Thats why I mentioned is it worth it. I agree fight to get people back sure and change the block rules to less time...I remember some poor poster, if memory is working, got blocked for a bizarre 52 weeks? lol I mean why...lol. And what was even more bizarre was some formula posted to calculate such a punishment. I dont know....i dont see that as logic myself but hey...
dont read me wrong posters...i am in defense of you but its not getting very far. time for alternative solutions ya know
my own passion to see something change keeps dragging me back into this debate lol
m
Posted by BayLeaf on April 7, 2009, at 20:48:34
In reply to Re: Blocks, posted by fayeroe on April 7, 2009, at 11:24:24
> You say, "maybe posters want me to "feel good". Previously, you said that some frustrated posters were "longing" for you.
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I probably missed something, but what I recall from the "longing" post, was less literal. I thought he was talking about triggering old longings for someone from our past. Like when Bob is missing from Babble, it might trigger me missing my mom/dad when they took off when I was a kid. I did not think he meant we were longing for him.
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:24:59
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 7, 2009, at 1:23:26
Dr. Bob, in my humble opinion around here change is at least administratively is non-existent.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:33:26
In reply to Re: Blocks, posted by BayLeaf on April 7, 2009, at 20:48:34
I like the new proposed rules basically. I think something is needed. Change.
And it Twinleaf I believe that was blocked for 52 weeks. I miss her. I miss HappyFlower, I miss so many I can't name all for fear of forgetting some. Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
I think, in my humble opinion, when I was first here in 06 things weren't this bad. Blocking I mean.
And there was much more action on the boards. oh well,
I guess Dr. Bob did not know how not mess with a good thing.
rsk
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
In reply to Re:for what is worth,, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:33:26
> This debate has become divisive.
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> Sigismund> > It seems not to be working this time...
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> Of course its not going to work in this context-members are not going to police themselves using mob mentality tactics at your "direction". ... the situations are already tainted.
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> garnet71I didn't mean to suggest mob mentality tactics. But I did suggest a direction. I wonder if following a suggestion of mine is seen as shameful. If that's how this is tainted. Maybe it's more important to resist me than to keep each other from being blocked.
> He can practice little tricks etc to ... see what he can get them to do or how they might react...in a way manipulate posters here for some purpose...perhaps just jollies or perhaps theres a plan. I dont know, I dont care either. Please dont give admin the satisfaction people.
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> I have read many good examples here on how to fix things, at least partly, with logical simple ideas. But these arent addressed...its more fun to play and try to poke holes in those ideas.I did have a plan: to manipulate you into keeping Jade and Verne from being blocked. But it seems not to be working.
I suppose I feel posters aren't following up on my good ideas and posters feel I'm not following up on their good ideas. Like myco said before, a stalemate.
> Example, from my own experience ok. A joke can and should be posted in any context, including "dirty" if the poster so chooses as long as the subject line indicates its potential to cause offence. I raised this point but it was not addressed at all...not even mentioned in his response.
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> mycoI did say:
> If you post it, a subject line that alerts others to the content does help.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20090331/msgs/889023.html
> I miss [Twinleaf]. I miss HappyFlower, I miss so many I can't name all for fear of forgetting some. Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
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> rskWould anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
Bob
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
In reply to Re:for what is worth,, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:33:26
> And it Twinleaf I believe that was blocked for 52 weeks.
Twinleaf was blocked for 12 weeks on 2/25.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882365.html
>I miss HappyFlower,
Happychaitea was blocked for 14 weeks on 2/27.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882969.html
> Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
Zazenducke was blocked for 52 weeks on 2/26.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882715.html
Just wanted to clarify, and also post these because from time to time people who are missing fellow posters ask when blocks started, or when they will be up, so maybe this will be useful in that area.
-- 10der
Posted by zenhussy on April 8, 2009, at 2:22:53
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2009, at 2:54:11
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
>> Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
Yep, and it won't take much either.
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2009, at 4:17:02
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
Bob, have I got this right?
You are saying that if I really care about Jade and Verne's oncoming blocks, that is, if I want to show my care and concern, that I should approach them and advise them on the form their apology and rephrasing should take?
Posted by 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 4:19:44
In reply to Re: Current block lengths--how 'bout alexandra's?? (nm) » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by zenhussy on April 8, 2009, at 2:22:53
Sometime later this month, is my best understanding, but I don't have the exact date available to me. Or at least I can't find it.....
Thanks for asking :-) I will check with Dr. Bob and try to post something more definite if I can.
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2009, at 4:24:33
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2009, at 17:01:33
>Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably.
I tried to do that
>Encourage her to apologize.
No. That does strike me being a little like mob mentality.
This whole conversation and the subtexts, the feel and the assumptions and whatever else....this really sucks.
This is not bringing out the best in each other, not by a long shot.
So what is it?
Posted by seldomseen on April 8, 2009, at 7:16:56
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 17:04:41
I have never been a go-between for Dr. Bob and posters on this forum. Everything I have posted here has been my thoughts. Sometimes I agree with Dr. Bob, sometimes I don't.
What I was referring to in my post was this sentence in your rule post.
"All this crazy punishing for how posters word something will end."
My contention is that how we word something can make a huge difference in how the post is interpreted.
Perhaps I would lobby for a more liberal use of the "please rephrase" rather than a PBC.
Of course I have babble friends that are blocked for various reasons.
I have no children, but we do share a condition among members of our family.
Sorry if there has been any misunderstanding.
Seldom.
Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2009, at 9:57:30
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
> > This debate has become divisive.
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> > Sigismund
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> > > It seems not to be working this time...
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> > Of course its not going to work in this context-members are not going to police themselves using mob mentality tactics at your "direction". ... the situations are already tainted.
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> > garnet71
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> I didn't mean to suggest mob mentality tactics. But I did suggest a direction. I wonder if following a suggestion of mine is seen as shameful. If that's how this is tainted.If I had a dollar for every time I've read something that you've written and thought "are you kidding me?" I'd be in Mexico drinking dos equs and instructing my cabana boy to buy more limes.
Bob, this isn't about YOU! I, for one, would be happy if you didn't come post unless you were going to INTERACT with the people who need to hear from you.
Where do you come up with thinking that we would feel "shameful" if we follow your suggestions? What if we don't think your ideas are worth following? Does that taint things? I am speaking for myself..maybe 1-1/2 others.
Maybe it's more important to resist me than to keep each other from being blocked.Do you have the sheet music to "it has to be me"? You're gonna ride that idea right into the ground, aren't you? Again, it is more important to me to have the site go smoothly than having you here and especially when it is all about you.
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> > He can practice little tricks etc to ... see what he can get them to do or how they might react...in a way manipulate posters here for some purpose...perhaps just jollies or perhaps theres a plan. I dont know, I dont care either. Please dont give admin the satisfaction people.I appreciate your message in that Bob does things to upset posters and I agree with you. However today....he is so full of it that I'm having my say.
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> > I have read many good examples here on how to fix things, at least partly, with logical simple ideas. But these arent addressed...its more fun to play and try to poke holes in those ideas.>
> I did have a plan: to manipulate you into keeping Jade and Verne from being blocked. But it seems not to be working.Bob, would you be happier if you had a monitor full of little faces that giggled and cooed and obeyed you?
You are the master manipulator but I can't see anyone falling for this one.
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> I suppose I feel posters aren't following up on my good ideas and posters feel I'm not following up on their good ideas. Like myco said before, a stalemate.Bob, which do you feel is your best idea?
This isn't about being a stalemate. That would mean that you and the posters were operating in something like a 5o/50 zone. If I believed that, I'd have to ask myself "what have I been smoking?"
It is going to be Bob's way or the highway...but..you have people who won't do either. Won't do it your way and won't leave.
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> > I miss [Twinleaf]. I miss HappyFlower, I miss so many I can't name all for fear of forgetting some. Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
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> > rskI wonder why Bob is so reluctant to have Zaze here? Why don't you tell us, Bob?
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> Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity..."You gotta be kidding me"!
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Fayeroe
Posted by myco on April 8, 2009, at 11:30:04
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
I address this to Bob but I'd like all here to consider it:
I have an idea to who ever is willing to listen and consider it seriously.
It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this (lol dont laugh until youve actually thought about it ok)...
A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd...seriously. whats the point...to punish? nah, not at that degree....thats more a ban in hopes the person will just go away. A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
At least its a starting point ya? Something to take things to step 2. I, like many of you, are tiring of this issue and IT IS OLD. Lets make a valient attempt to put it to rest ok.
myco
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Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2009, at 15:07:26
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
Talking about the "upcoming"? block of Jade and Verne on this board reminds me of a song. Don Henley raged about the media, on his single effort and a question in it reminds me of "is the head dead yet?".....anything to get ratings? (attention)
Posted by muffled on April 8, 2009, at 16:36:16
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2009, at 17:01:33
Sigh....wished I knew the answers....
but just one thing I noticed, is Bob keep saying support each other....and we do...to the extent which we can.and we keep trying to explain to Bob, that the blocks are very harmful.....
and he says be supportive, and we say blocks too ling
and he says help each other. and we say blocks hurt.
I getting dizzy.
I stay away from here. Have to.
Miss my friends.
But just can't handle the blocks.
Dunno what you gonna do Bob....
Dunno what babblers gonna do....
Guess people gonna have to do whats best for them.
FWIW, I think Bob means well....or else he REALLY messed up....
Sad.
Just hope alla us can remember that we all human, we all hurt.
We all worthy of respect.
sigh...
and muffled got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
Goto go set trap.
I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
YUK.
Take care all.
Bye.
Muffled
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:22:55
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
>>>Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...Bob>>>>
Of course we would miss them. I don't understand what the heck the opportunity is. To be their whatever buddy it was called. I don't think either of them need a buddy. I don't really think they have been out of line myself. But that is my humble opinion such as it is.
Dr. Bob it really pains me that you asked that question. Is that civil?
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:24:42
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
But it does matter to me when posters are blocked. I miss them and I know how bad I would feel if blocked. It is often why I stay out of discussions.
Thanks for the clarification. My bad.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:27:28
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
I can also see how it might get the poster trying to help them blocked. It seems like an opportunity could turn out to ban more than just those you are singling out.
I don't know I just get uncomfortable about this.
But I would MISS them.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on April 9, 2009, at 9:35:15
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:27:28
> Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
"You gotta be kidding me"!
>
FayeroeMaybe I can be more clear, Bob, this time. I was appalled that you asked that question. I thought it was rude, flippant and thoughtless of you to say it.
I don't think that you worry too much about these people and that makes the question so much worse.
Fayeroe
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