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Posted by Lou Pilder on July 12, 2005, at 18:23:40
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
The poster writes,[...Scientology has...wierd ideas...the...{cult} is {all about brainwashing}...].
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20041213/msgs/525416.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2005, at 1:13:46
In reply to Lou's request to Dr Hsiung-dfm?~rspctvews??, posted by Lou Pilder on July 12, 2005, at 18:23:40
> I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
So far, I've let these go...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 6:07:05
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2005, at 1:13:46
> > I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
>
> So far, I've let these go...
>
> BobDr. Hsiung,
In your reply to me above, you wrote,[...I've let these go...].
If we look at the following links from the past practice here, the could be other posts that were not "let go".
Then there is the word,"these" that you have "let go".
Could we examine the following posts in the links provided so that we could then have dialog as to what you mean by "these"?
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030908/msgs/269563.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20021223/msgs/133662.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20040914/msgs/393847.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20050509/msgs/522039.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050217/msgs/460440.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 6:16:20
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou- » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 6:07:05
> > > I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
> >
> > So far, I've let these go...
> >
> > Bob
>
> Dr. Hsiung,
> In your reply to me above, you wrote,[...I've let these go...].
> If we look at the following links from the past practice here, the could be other posts that were not "let go".
> Then there is the word,"these" that you have "let go".
> Could we examine the following posts in the links provided so that we could then have dialog as to what you mean by "these"?
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030908/msgs/269563.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20021223/msgs/133662.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20040914/msgs/393847.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20050509/msgs/522039.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050217/msgs/460440.htmlFriends,
The middle offered link somehow was not the link that I wanted to offer. Please ignore 393847 in this thread.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 6:18:13
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's replyto Lou-correction, posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 6:16:20
The corrected link is:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20040914/msgs/392847.html
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 7:23:29
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's replyto Lou-correction, posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 6:18:13
Dr. Hsiung,
Could you consider what is written in the following link?
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020110/msgs/89798.html
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 14:02:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2005, at 1:13:46
You publish a message board in which you allowed an anonymous poster to write:
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http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20041213/msgs/525416.html
"Scientology has very weird ideas about psychiatry, mainly because the religion/ cult is all about brainwashing. You have to go through auditing sessions to get cleared, and they try to separate you from your family.Honestly, I think there's even a free Katie movement. They're that creepy."
-----------------Regardless your persistent behavior intervening in conversations you deem uncivil, you have stated that you will not intervene in response to the statements above in which I am called "creepy" because of my religious beliefs.
Curious that this religous intolerance is allowed only in regard to a particular religion that considers the pratice of psychiatry to be a religion.
Please to not publish a message board in which you selectively allow members to call members of particular religions "Creepy", or where particular religious ideas are characterized as "weird" or particular religions are accused of "brainwashing."
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> > I am requesting that you write a determination as to if the following is acceptable or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
>
> So far, I've let these go...
>
> Bob--------------------------------
Indeed you have. And for what reason?
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 14:07:59
This message is an open reply to a message on the "2000" board, where responses are restricted only to members who care to acknowledge participation during this forum's third year.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20041213/msgs/525416.html
Please don't call me creepy. Regardless my religion, and regardless what the psychiatrist who runs this board allows, don't call me creepy.
A lot of things can seem "weird" to a person who has no information abotu a particular subject. The ideas taught as Scientology might seem "weird" to some, but as a group, Scientologists have demonstrated considerable legal savy in protecting their ideas against libel.
Posted by gabbii on July 15, 2005, at 16:08:41
In reply to Please don't call me creepy » Dr. Bob, posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 14:02:55
Dr. Bob I agree wholeheartedly with So.
If you allowed all comments on religion that would be one thing. To allow disparaging comments toward only those which are not commonly accepted is at the heart of prejudice.
There are many things about the "great" religions which I find more than just creepy, and far more disturbing than Scientology, but I am not allowed to discuss that in any detail at all here.
Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 17:49:16
In reply to Re: Please don't call me creepy, posted by gabbii on July 15, 2005, at 16:08:41
FWIW, I agree. I don't think that scientology should be exempted from the generally accepted guidelines on the board.
I think it should be perfectly ok to comment on statements made by scientologists, as long as the group of people is respected.
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 18:50:38
In reply to Well, I wouldn't., posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 17:49:16
> FWIW, I agree. I don't think that scientology should be exempted from the generally accepted guidelines on the board.
>
> I think it should be perfectly ok to comment on statements made by scientologists, as long as the group of people is respected.
You have the authority to deal with this. I feel (deleted out of mistrust) when I find administrators refusing to enforce rules consistently.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2005, at 18:52:22
In reply to Don't call me creepy, posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 14:07:59
Hi,
I would not like feeling that someone is calling my spirituality "creepy". Even if it is to someone, I would not want to have that fact posted right in front of me. But what's up with that last sentence? I am interpreting it one way, but I wonder what you were thinking when you included that sentence in your post.And I suppose calling you Shirley is right out, then? ;-)
gg
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 18:53:20
In reply to Re: Well, I wouldn't., posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 18:50:38
or who allows it to be done when they have the power to intervene ....
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 18:57:21
In reply to Re: Don't call me creepy » so, posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2005, at 18:52:22
> Hi,
> I would not like feeling that someone is calling my spirituality "creepy".I don't feel someone called Scientolgists creepy. I know they did. It is in print, on an electronic distribution service solely owned by Dr. Robert Hsuing. It is not the feeling that bothers me. It is the circumstance.
Posted by crushedout on July 15, 2005, at 19:25:49
In reply to Re: Don't call me creepy » so, posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2005, at 18:52:22
i was puzzling over the meaning of that last sentence also gg. and so didn't seem to answer your question at all. or am i missing something? hmmm.
Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 19:39:46
In reply to Re: Well, I wouldn't., posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 18:50:38
If Dr. Bob has been over the boards, and not judged something uncivil then I do not in fact have the authority to do anything about this.
A deputy can not override a decision of Dr. Bob's. Dr. Bob can override a decision of a deputy.
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 20:40:47
In reply to Re: Don't call me creepy » gardenergirl, posted by crushedout on July 15, 2005, at 19:25:49
The last sentence apparently refers to efforts interfere with a personal relationship between Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. This from a person who claims Scientologists "try to separate you from your family."
Posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 20:46:38
In reply to Re: Well, I wouldn't. » so, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 19:39:46
> If Dr. Bob has been over the boards, and not judged something uncivil then I do not in fact have the authority to do anything about this.
You impose your own limits on your authority, and you alone are responsible for the sort of people you choose as allies. If Robert Hsuing advocates calling Scientologists "Creepy" it is reasonable to ask whether his subordinates hold likewise.
Posted by Racer on July 15, 2005, at 21:05:35
In reply to You wouldn't? » Dinah, posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 20:46:38
> > If Dr. Bob has been over the boards, and not judged something uncivil then I do not in fact have the authority to do anything about this.
>
>
> You impose your own limits on your authority, and you alone are responsible for the sort of people you choose as allies. If Robert Hsuing advocates calling Scientologists "Creepy" it is reasonable to ask whether his subordinates hold likewise.
>No, I believe Dr Bob has limited the authority of deputies here.
Also, Dr Bob did not "advocate calling Scientologists "Creepy" " An individual posted something on one of the boards here, and I'm not sure Dr Bob even saw that post. Now that you've brought it to everyone's attention that someone felt accused and/or put down by the comment, I am certain Dr Bob will step in.
Dr Bob did not step in when someone on Social said that Tom Cruise -- who happens to be a Scientologist -- was saying things a lot of us find problematic, about psychiatry and psychotropic drugs and so on. That isn't the same as saying that Scientologists as a group are "creepy", which isn't within the civility guidelines -- either of this site, or the world in general, really, since it is characterizing an entire group solely by their inclusion in that group.
Dr Bob is apparently going to be back tonight, when he will be reading all of this. How about waiting for his determination, and letting Dinah have a rest? Dinah is a voluntary deputy here, and I would hate to see her suffer for voluntarily stepping up to take on more responsibility here. I would hate even more to see Dinah feel attacked, when she is providing a service to the community as a whole.
Posted by gabbii on July 15, 2005, at 21:13:59
In reply to You wouldn't? » Dinah, posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 20:46:38
>
> You impose your own limits on your authority, and you alone are responsible for the sort of people you choose as allies. If Robert Hsuing advocates calling Scientologists "Creepy"it is reasonable to ask whether his subordinates hold likewise.
>
Not if you read Dinah's posts it isn't.Rather than see Dinah as a panderer to Dr. bob's authority, I see her as someone who has taken the job as deputy in order to be a liason between those who post here and Dr. Bob. If she "allies" it's as much with us as it is with Dr. Bob.
She can offer him ideas and speak on our behalf and sometimes even influence his decision making.
Dinah holds her own council and maintains her integrity in every situation I've seen her in, without fail.
Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 23:25:14
In reply to You wouldn't? » Dinah, posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 20:46:38
I do not set the limits on my own authority. I follow the guidelines set out by Dr. Bob to the best of my authority. I'm a deputy, not a moderator.
I do choose the sort of people I choose as friends and the sort of people I choose to support. I stand by my choices.
Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 23:28:49
In reply to Hey hey hey !!! whoa . So. » so, posted by gabbii on July 15, 2005, at 21:13:59
I mainly chose to volunteer because things sometimes get out of hand when Dr. Bob is gone, and people get admin actions for reacting. I always hate to see that. But my authority is limited to when Dr. Bob isn't on board.
I don't really have any more influence on him than any other poster, darn it. :) I get mad and fuss at him just like everyone else. And it makes just about as much difference. lol.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 16, 2005, at 0:37:46
In reply to Please don't call me creepy » Dr. Bob, posted by so on July 15, 2005, at 14:02:55
> > Scientologsy has very weird ideas about psychiatry, mainly because the religion/ cult is all about brainwashing. You have to go through auditing sessions to get cleared, and they try to separate you from your family.
> >
> > Honestly, I think there's even a free Katie movement. They're that creepy.
>
> I am called "creepy" because of my religious beliefs.You're a Scientologist?
Bob
Posted by so on July 16, 2005, at 2:12:01
In reply to Re: calling people creepy » so, posted by Dr. Bob on July 16, 2005, at 0:37:46
> You're a Scientologist?
>
> BobThat is irrelevant to the question of whether you allow people to call members of certain religions "creepy".
And what does your question have to do with the title of your post?
Posted by Dinah on July 16, 2005, at 8:22:03
In reply to Re: calling people creepy » so, posted by Dr. Bob on July 16, 2005, at 0:37:46
Dr. Bob, I don't think anyone on this site needs to be a Scientologist or Muslim or black or Republican or Southern or a member of the Armed Services, or whatever, in order for the civility rules to apply to those groups. As you say, many more people lurk than read. It's fine to disagree with policy as long as the people in the group are treated respectfully, wouldn't you agree?
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