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Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 18:18:43
In reply to Re: a board for friends » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 18:11:45
I boycotted 2001. I refused to post on a board that wasn't open to my friends who joined in 2002 or those who joined in 2000. I did make a few specific exceptions when trying to contact someone outweighed a moral protest.
I personally think the restrictions on the newbie board are foolish. I understand *perhaps* having a board where newbies feel encouraged to post, but to limit the number of replies they can get seems foolish almost beyond measure, and makes me really want to be a fly on the grey matter of Dr. Bob's brain.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 18:55:03
In reply to Re: a board for friends, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 18:18:43
to limit the number of replies they can get seems foolish almost beyond measure, and makes me really want to be a fly on the grey matter of Dr. Bob's brain.
Whaaa????
There's a limit to how many replies they can get?
If you say you think it's foolish beyond measure I'm sure any added detail won't help me understand, so I won't ask for any. I think I'm getting a headache tho'
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:13:56
In reply to Re: a board for friends » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 18:11:45
Ok. That makes sense.
On to 2002 then?
Does make sense about peoples who have been here from the beginning though.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:16:02
In reply to Re: a board for friends, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 18:18:43
> I personally think the restrictions on the newbie board are foolish. I understand *perhaps* having a board where newbies feel encouraged to post, but to limit the number of replies they can get seems foolish almost beyond measure, and makes me really want to be a fly on the grey matter of Dr. Bob's brain.
Ah. I think it may be to prevent 'trolls' or 'flamers' picking on the newbies. To make sure they get a nice greeting. The way around 'limiting the number of posts' is for everyone to join on up as a newbie greeter!
Come on, the more the merrier :-)
Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 19:24:10
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:16:02
No way. I don't post on boards that my friends aren't able to post on.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:27:27
In reply to Re: a board for friends » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 19:24:10
Anyone who joins up as a Newbie greeter can post there.
Your friends can join up as Newbie greeters,
Therefore your friends can post there.It all depends on joining up...
Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 19:30:28
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:27:27
Well, if *all* my friends could join it wouldn't be restricted. Because I was counting *everyone* as a friend. All the friends who are posting now, all the friends who have posted in the past, and all the friends who have yet to post at Babble. When all of them are official greeters, I'll join.
Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 19:32:42
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Dinah, posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 18:55:03
Pick a post on the newbie board, any post that you feel you could really contribute to by replying, and try to post. That's what I mean.
It stinks.
Dr. Bob and his gated communities... :(
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 19:43:08
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:27:27
> Anyone who joins up as a Newbie greeter can post there.
> Your friends can join up as Newbie greeters,
> Therefore your friends can post there.
>
> It all depends on joining up...There is no way around the fact that it is a restricted board, no matter *how* it's looked at.
Having everyone join up is an impossibility, then it would be Babble, and Bob wouldn't allow it anway.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 19:44:00
In reply to Re: a board for friends » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 19:30:28
I guess I should have read all the posts before I responded, I was being redundant.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 19:45:01
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 19:32:42
> Pick a post on the newbie board, any post that you feel you could really contribute to by replying, and try to post. That's what I mean.
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> It stinks.
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> Dr. Bob and his gated communities... :(Perhaps a Babble sorority is next?
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 18, 2005, at 19:58:35
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Dinah, posted by Gabbix2 on January 18, 2005, at 19:45:01
UGH I would most likely be the one they hazed then dumped
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> Perhaps a Babble sorority is next?
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>
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 20:00:15
In reply to Re: a board for friends » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 19:16:02
I think it may be to prevent 'trolls' or 'flamers' picking on the newbies. To make sure they get a nice greeting.
My understanding was that anyone (barring the above) could join.
I try to repost newbie posts where people may be able to give them more helpful answers.
Nobody has replied to a single one of my reposts.
Not sure whether that is because peoples don't like my reposting or what...
Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 20:10:06
In reply to Ahem, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 20:00:15
How likely is that to happen, though? The majority of Babblers are nice and would respond kindly to newcomers. Those who choose not to follow Dr. Bob's guidelines aren't here long, and hopefully wouldn't choose the newcomer board anyway. (Actually the worst of them could probably post on the newcomer board because by the time they weren't newcomers anymore they'd be blocked.) So the only people who could flame newcomers who aren't already allowed to post there by virtue of being newcomers themselves are people who have been posting here for several months. So how many of us who have been here long enough to not be newcomers ourselves do you think would hurt the newcomers?
Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 20:12:52
In reply to Re: Ahem » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 20:10:06
in contrast to the number of people who aren't official greeters who could contribute something on the board if they were allowed to post.
On the one hand, the number of non-newcomers who would be impolite.
On the other, the number of non-newcomers who would be helpful.
I think it's a foolish choice on Bob's part.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 20:16:04
In reply to Re: Rather especially, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 20:12:52
Maybe it is something that is worth discussing.
I was just trying to read his mind.
He may well have another reason or two.
Dunno. Getting interested in his reasoning myself...But I don't think calling him names will help :-)
Posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 20:25:48
In reply to Re: Rather especially » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 20:16:04
Oh dear, did I call him names? I thought I said his *choice* was foolish. That's how I always talk to my son. :)
If I called Dr. Bob any names, I humbly apologize, and hope he realizes that while I am baffled and astounded by some of his choices, I have considerable respect for him as a person. (Which is what makes his choices so baffling.)
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 20:46:19
In reply to Re: Rather especially » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on January 18, 2005, at 20:25:48
Posted by nikkit2 on January 19, 2005, at 6:25:12
In reply to Re: a board for friends » nikkit2, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 18, 2005, at 15:58:47
I think I've pointed out a few of the problems that a "friends" board would cause, and I don't think I've ever said its a "dream" of mine to have it.. I just tried to explain why I, personally, like the PB2000 board.. I'm not suggesting any further boards, or that I want to ignore everyone on the board. I *do* post to people on PBSocial, and I do like reading their posts.. I just prefer, when I have osmething about *me* to post, to use the 2000 board.
These conversations have ALL been had here before though if you want to read through the archives.. many many times in fact!!
Nikki x
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2005, at 13:34:16
In reply to Re: a board for friends, posted by saw on January 17, 2005, at 23:57:50
> you're seriously considering the notion of letting someone setting up a room and inviting who can join?
I was, but it wasn't very popular, so my next idea was just to limit how many people could join this kind of board. Here's the thread from before:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/308260.html
> What on god's green earth do you think is going to happen to the current level of people who feel like no one likes them on the board
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> DinahI don't know, but maybe they'd find out that's not the case?
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> you know that I have given up campaigning for a parents board - but if there are to be any more boards, perhaps that can be considered first.
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> SabrinaIt was already considered:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/419569.html
But it turned out to be more complicated that I thought:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423768.html
But it's still on my to-do list. This just happened to come up in the meantime...
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on January 19, 2005, at 17:17:50
In reply to Re: a board for friends, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2005, at 13:34:16
Oh, he he he.
I thought by 'small town boards' people were talking about a board for people who are from small towns!
Makes much more sense now :-)
Posted by mair on January 20, 2005, at 22:14:50
In reply to Re: a board for friends, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2005, at 13:34:16
> > What on god's green earth do you think is going to happen to the current level of people who feel like no one likes them on the board
> >
> > Dinah
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> I don't know, but maybe they'd find out that's not the case?
Yeah, and maybe they'd find out that there really is no comfortable place for them on this Board.It's not always easy to feel that you fit in when you're here alot; it's very difficult to leave the board periodically and come back. How horrible it would be to come back and discover that many of the people you remember most fondly are all off on a Board which is filled and to which you have no access.
I was against the 2000 Board when you set it up, although i came to see that it served a valuable purpose for a relatively small group of people who were introduced to the Board when it was just one Board. But it still irks me that I have no way of communicating with the people who never venture off that Board. The vast majority of the people here now have always known PB as a large place. We all seem to find places that are comfortable for us - I think that would just be so much more difficult if you created still smaller groups.
Mair
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2005, at 0:54:16
In reply to Re: a board for friends, posted by mair on January 20, 2005, at 22:14:50
> The vast majority of the people here now have always known PB as a large place. We all seem to find places that are comfortable for us - I think that would just be so much more difficult if you created still smaller groups.
IMO, people who are here now are going to tend to be people comfortable in large groups.
But not everyone here may be comfortable. And people may *not* be here now because they weren't.
Also, the current large groups would still be here...
Bob
Posted by mair on January 21, 2005, at 7:26:29
In reply to Re: smaller groups, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2005, at 0:54:16
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> "Also, the current large groups would still be here..."
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Yes, but the fact that the current large groups have always been here hasn't meant that people who could opt for a smaller group (2000 Board members) ever venture back into the large groups. I guess my concern is that people who are currently active in the larger groups would self-select a particular group, and once that group became full, the rest of us would then have no access to those people unless they decided to emerge. I really do feel that cliques do form sometimes and people do feel left out; smaller groups would amplify that dynamic.Mair
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2005, at 3:38:57
In reply to Re: smaller groups » Dr. Bob, posted by mair on January 21, 2005, at 7:26:29
> the fact that the current large groups have always been here hasn't meant that people who could opt for a smaller group (2000 Board members) ever venture back into the large groups. I guess my concern is that people who are currently active in the larger groups would self-select a particular group, and once that group became full, the rest of us would then have no access to those people unless they decided to emerge. I really do feel that cliques do form sometimes and people do feel left out; smaller groups would amplify that dynamic.
1. If A wants access to B, but B prefers a smaller group, should B be forced to stay?
2. The concern is that without B the large group would languish? Might it not be able to adapt?
3. Not everyone prefers smaller groups. People from 2000 do venture out.
4. People do sometimes feel left out already. Is it better this way, to feel neglected by people in the same large group, or not even to be able to join those people in a smaller group?
Bob
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