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Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 10:51:52
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Gabbix2, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 6:42:49
> Hi.
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> > And I really don't mind if you post 10 times
> or 12, (except in certain situations)
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> Which situations?
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> - ScottWhen someone is feeling unconformatble with being asked for further clarification.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 10:54:13
In reply to Lou's concern about the quote by Jean Rousseau-3, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 10:25:52
Friends,
The other part of my request to Dr. Hsiung for clarification involves the part of the quote,[...whoever dares to say...outside the Church is no salvation...].
I have asked for clarificaion of the following:
Is this a reference to the Roman Catholic doctrine of [...Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus..] and some clarification about the word "church'
I am asking for this clarification because I would need to know the identification of this in order to respond accordingly. The word "church" is capitalised in Rousseau's quote. This is important to me in order to respond accordingly to have the clarificatrion requested.
I am asking for clarification of this because there are issues here that have linkage involved in them that concern me. It is this linkage that I have not discussed yet. I have not discussed this linkage because I need clarification of the things that I have requested in order to do so.
I have proposed to Dr. Hsiung that the part brought to attention on the faith board by Jean Rousseau be removed so that this discussion could end. If the part is not going to removed, I have asked for clarification of the things in question so that I can respond accordingly.
Lou Pilder
http://www.catholicism.org/pages/outside.htm
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 11:08:50
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » SLS, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 10:51:52
Gabbix2,
Am I correct here in what tyou have written about posting style and clarification?
A. It really doesn't matter how many posts a person posts
B. The multiple post style of writing is really just one post broken into small parts
C. People that object to my writing style could have another reason for objecting other than it takes longer to read the post and such. If this is true to you, could you write what your opinion is as to why others here are objecting to my posting in this manner here?
D. A combination of the above which is....
E Something else
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 12:22:33
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » SLS, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 10:51:52
> > Hi.
> >
> > > And I really don't mind if you post 10 times
> > or 12, (except in certain situations)
> >
> >
> > Which situations?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> When someone is feeling unconformatble with being asked for further clarification.What if someone is made uncomfortable by the first request for a clarification? Does the second request become uncivil and require sanction? Must the person being made uncomfortable submit a post stating his discomfort before subsequent posted requests for clarification are to be judged uncivil?
What if I were not to be made uncomfortable by 100 requests for clarification? What if I were not to respond at all to 100 sequential requests for clarification of the same phrasing of the same post? Would an additional 100 requests remain civil? Were the first 100 uncivil? Can civility be judged upon the numbers of posts submitted sequentially without a response?
Why should there be a limit on the number of requests for clarification of a post if each request fits well within the guidelines of civility furnished by this site's FAQ?
What if I were to decide that I would break each of my intended submissions into multiple posts, each containing a single word. I shall declare this to be my style. Am I not to be allowed to post in this style as long as I remain civil? I might never ask a single person for a clarification.
Perhaps it is time to establish posting quotas so that posting priveleges here are not abused. Posting to this site is indeed a privelege and not a civil right. (At least, not at the moment). It is a real shame that this should become necessary.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 12:47:36
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Gabbix2, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 12:22:33
SLS,
You wote,[...time to establish posting quotas...].
Could you tell us what your idea would be for the number in this quota to be?
Lou
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 26, 2004, at 12:50:23
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Gabbix2, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 12:22:33
The boards roll over when they reach a certain size, memory wise.
10 posts each containing 10 words, will take up more space than 1 post with 100 words.This means that the board will be archived quicker. This means that posts will be missed by people when it rolls over.
Another site I use limits the number of posts by people on their main board for a very similar reason. its not a "legal" rule, but one that everyone abides by out of respect for other posters.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 12:58:45
In reply to Lou's reply to SLS-pq » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 12:47:36
SLS,
You brought up the topic of requests for clarification. This was discussed in the past and there is a policy on it in the FAQ.
There are the following points in the policy:
A. A poster can post,[..Do Not Post To Me...]and if they do post to them after that has been posted, then that is uncivil according to this code here.
But there is another part of that policy that states that if the poster responds back to you, even after the [..Do Not Post To Me...] is posted to you, that the you can post back to that person because they lift the restriction by making some other post to you. They do not have to say that the restriction is lifted, for just responding back in any way to the poster automatically lifts the restriction.
This is also a part of formal debate. It is called [..opening the door...]. When one responds back, they open the door for the other to reply. And in civil discussion, when one opens the door, they invite the other to reply to them.
Lou
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 13:08:58
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Gabbix2, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 12:22:33
>> > When someone is feeling unconformatble with being asked for further clarification.
>
> What if someone is made uncomfortable by the first request for a clarification? Does the second request become uncivil and require sanction?I think there is a possibility that someone could could be upset by the content or style
of any poster, but that wouldn't necessarily make every unique style uncivil.
And I don't think there is malicious intent or unkindness here, which is about the only thing that I think needs to be restricted. But that's me. Obviously though, many people are bothered
and may have completely different ideas on what constitutes malicious or uncivil--if it causes frustration to enough people, perhaps that's enough.
Just because something doesn't bother me doesn't mean everyone should feel that way.Because nobody can really judge intent, but so many are upset, a restriction of sequential posts by one poster would be fair, and perhaps even be a kindness. For instance I've met people with certain kinds of'obsessive Compulsive disorders who's minds were put at ease by having restricted guidelines to work within.
Of course I'm not speaking for all people with obsessive compulsive disorders, nor am I guessing that that may be what is at issue here
it just reminded me of it.Whew! I hope that made sense.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 13:14:23
In reply to techy point of view of multiple posts, posted by NikkiT2 on September 26, 2004, at 12:50:23
Friends,
In relation to the board archiving, is this a reason to limit, or have a quotq for posts?
But does not there remain the last post or so of that thread that is archived so that people that click on them still have the thread brought back in some way?
And would not the board archive at some point anyway?
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 13:23:51
In reply to Lou's reply to SLS-pq » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 12:47:36
> SLS,
>
> You wote,[...time to establish posting quotas...].
> Could you tell us what your idea would be for the number in this quota to be?
> Lou
No.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 13:27:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » SLS, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 13:08:58
Gabbix2,
You wrote,[...I think that there could be people that could be upset by a particular style of posting...{but that would not make it necessarrily uncivil}...]
Then you wrote that[...I do not think that there is malicious intent or unkindness here...].
I appreciate your observations that you have posted.
Then you state that you think it would be fair to restrict the number of posts by one poster.
What would your idea be as to how many posts that one poster should be restricted to to be fair?
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 13:43:59
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Gabbix2, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 12:22:33
> What if I were to decide that I would break each of my intended submissions into multiple posts, each containing a single word. I shall declare this to be my style. Am I not to be allowed to post in this style as long as I remain civil? I might never ask a single person for a clarification.
> Perhaps it is time to establish posting quotas so that posting priveleges here are not abused. Posting to this site is indeed a privelege and not a civil right. (At least, not at the moment). It is a real shame that this should become necessary.
It only takes one person to make this necessary.
- Scott
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 14:14:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 13:43:59
> > What if I were to decide that I would break each of my intended submissions into multiple posts, each containing a single word. I shall declare this to be my style. Am I not to be allowed to post in this style as long as I remain civil? I might never ask a single person for a clarification.
That's why I mentioned a rule limiting the number of sequential posts by one poster.
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 14:16:56
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 13:43:59
> > What if I were to decide that I would break each of my intended submissions into multiple posts, each containing a single word. I shall declare this to be my style. Am I not to be allowed to post in this style as long as I remain civil? I might never ask a single person for a clarification.
I took this from my original repponse to you
Because nobody can really judge intent, but so many are upset, a restriction of sequential posts by one poster would be fair, and perhaps even be a kindness. For instance I've met people with certain kinds of'obsessive Compulsive disorders who's minds were put at ease by having restricted guidelines to work within
>
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 14:26:59
In reply to Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop » Gabbix2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 13:27:21
> Gabbix2,
> You wrote,[...I think that there could be people that could be upset by a particular style of posting...{but that would not make it necessarrily uncivil}...]
> Then you wrote that[...I do not think that there is malicious intent or unkindness here...].
> I appreciate your observations that you have posted.Thank you!
> Then you state that you think it would be fair to restrict the number of posts by one poster.
> What would your idea be as to how many posts that one poster should be restricted to to be fair?Well I've always been fond of the number three.
But until we get an idea whether or not such a restriction will be implemented I suppose it doesn't really matter much what I think about it.Have a good day Lou
And remember.. Gabbi spelled backwards is ibbaG
Posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 14:28:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » SLS, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 14:14:45
> > > What if I were to decide that I would break each of my intended submissions into multiple posts, each containing a single word. I shall declare this to be my style. Am I not to be allowed to post in this style as long as I remain civil? I might never ask a single person for a clarification.
>
>
> That's why I mentioned a rule limiting the number of sequential posts by one poster.
That's a good thought.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 14:32:19
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop » Lou Pilder, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 14:26:59
Gabbix2
You wrote that you are fond of the number three. Hummmmmmm.
My opinion of the number of posts would be 16.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 14:54:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop » Gabbix2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 14:32:19
Friends,
There has been discussion here about my writing style and if a policy should be written to somehow not allow me to post in my style.
Well, I have some ideas about that that I would like to share with you.
Lou
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 15:06:15
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Gabbix2, posted by SLS on September 26, 2004, at 14:28:14
> >
> > That's why I mentioned a rule limiting the number of sequential posts by one poster.
>
>
> That's a good thought.
>
Thanks! :)
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 15:09:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop » Gabbix2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 14:32:19
> Gabbix2
> You wrote that you are fond of the number three. Hummmmmmm.
> My opinion of the number of posts would be 16.
> Lou
>Sixteen!!!!! Oh I could never get through that many from top to bottom and remember what the original point was. I think it would take up too much space.It's nice number all on it's own though.
And speaking of numbers of posts. This is my last one here today.Take care Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 15:14:36
In reply to Lou's ideas about the number of posts, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 14:54:51
Friends,
I think that a policy to restrict speech in the manner suggested would not have the effect of increasing support as the goal of the forum. I belive that it , if implamented, has the potential of deminishing support.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 15:27:39
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop » Lou Pilder, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 15:09:21
Gabbix2,
You wrote, [...I could never get through...]
I do not believe that one could [... {never} get through....]. I have read some posts here that are longer in one post than my 10 posts of one post.
I do not feel that the amount of space needed to post can be restricted. If that was the case, then I feel that the goal of the forum, support, could be restricted because one could be limited to what they could say.
I give support to say what someone feels is needed by them to be said to be more important than restricting them from posting.
Lou
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 20:14:58
In reply to Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop-2 » Gabbix2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 15:27:39
> Gabbix2,
> You wrote, [...I could never get through...]
> I do not believe that one could [... {never} get through....].I should have said, I would probably not
read all 16 posts because I find I lose my train of thought, basically I find it awkward, and move on to something else.I have read some posts here that are longer in one post than my 10 posts of one post.
It's not about length it's about the structure
it disrupts my flow of thought.
> I do not feel that the amount of space needed to post can be restricted. If that was the case, then I feel that the goal of the forum, support, could be restricted because one could be limited to what they could say.Out of respect for others we are already limited to what we may say. This would simply
be another of those instances.> I give support to say what someone feels is needed by them to be said to be more important than restricting them from posting.
> LouI think you think that's true for *YOU*
But if someone made most of us "uncomfortable" by feeling the need to post hate literature
I don't think that you would think that should be supportedWe all have to work with in certain boundaries here, I think It's a matter of compromise. Everyone has beliefs about what constitutes a supportive board and it would be impossible to implement them all.
That's it for me Lou, I'm tired.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 20:39:17
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop-2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 20:14:58
Gabbix2,
you wrote,[...it's not about length its about the structure...]and [...we are limited to what we can say...].
I agree that there alrweady limited to what we can say, but I know of no restriction as to the structure because I have been using this structure for years and Dr. Hsiung has previously written that he does not want to restrct freedom of speech anymore than he already has by requiering a particular structure of posts when this came up previously. I agree with Dr. Husing about this and I am serching for that url for that now.
I do not think that it is disrespectful to others to post on a mental health board in my style, and since this is the only way that my limitations can allow mw to post, then I would not be allowed to be an equal member here if some quota system was implemented or that my style of posting could not be used because I would not be able to express myself in the restriction that I would be requiered to abide by. In a sense, that type of restriction could serve to have the potential to cause me to break the rule because of my limitations in order to be a posting member here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2004, at 21:07:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-nop-2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Gabbix2 on September 26, 2004, at 20:14:58
Gabbix2,
I wrote,[...I give support to say what someone feels is needed by them to be said to be more important than restricting them from posting...]
You asnswered,
I think you think that's true for *YOU*
But if someone made most of "uncomfortable" by feeling the need to post hate liturature
I don't think that you would think that should be supported.The posting of hate liturature is restricted on the basis of it's content. It is my understanding that there is an objection to my style of posting, not the content. I do not champion people's want to post hate liturature. There are many posts by me in the archives attesting to that.
Lou
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