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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 11:23:19
In reply to Lou's response to Dr Hsiung's reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 9:29:27
Dr. Hsiung,
In clearing up any misunderstanding, let us look at the opening page of the faith board.
You call attention to Jean Rousseau's writing, [...But whoever dares to say: Outside the Church is no salvation, ought to be drivin from the State...]. You also write after that, "Sorry about the tone of the above, but I think it does support the posting policy here..."
There is also a link to a part of Jean Rousseau's writing. In that link, Jean Rousseau writes, [...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...]
You also write that you, [...do what you think will be best for the community as a whole...].
My request for clarification is to know if you are endorsing Jean Rousseau's statement here in his writing that christians are to be looked at in that light; that they preach,[...only sevitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves....this short life counts for little in their lives...] and if you are referring to the Roman Catholic doctrin of [...Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus...]where Jean Rousseau write, [...whoever dare say....no salvation out side of the church...]or if the "church" is something else.
If you could clarify this, I would appreciate it.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith
http://www.catholicism.org/pages/outside.htm
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 13:42:03
In reply to Lou's response to Dr Hsiung's reply to Lou-rs » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 11:23:19
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that the referrence to Jean Rousseau that is on the faith board's opening page be deleted.
I am asking this because to understand all of its import in refference to Rousseau's attitude toward religion could be such a great indevor that few people, IMO, couldundergo such a discussion.
In my study of Jean Jaques Rousseau, I find that it would take me over 100 posts , in my style of writing, to comment on his ideas of religion.
Lou Pilder
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 15:42:58
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-Jean Rousseau » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 13:42:03
Hi Lou.
> In my study of Jean Jaques Rousseau, I find that it would take me over 100 posts , in my style of writing, to comment on his ideas of religion.
Is it your intention to submit a series of 100 posts in an effort to pursuade the moderator to accede to your requests? I hope not. I would personally deem any such effort as a purposeful attempt to disrupt the proceedings of this forum and a threat to my personal interests in how this site functions. That's the way I feel.
One option for you that would be less disruptive to the site is to correspond directly with Dr. Hsiung using the e-mail address he so generously provides at the bottom of the page.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-Jean Rousseau » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 15:42:58
SLS,
It is not my intention to submit 100 posts . On the contrary, my post wrote that I would like the referrence to Rousseau to be deleted because to discuss Rousseau and all of the implications that could come out of it would be too much posting and that is why I have asked for it to be deleted.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 16:37:31
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B, posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
SLS,
The admin. board is created for participants to discuss this type of matter, yet are you saying that I am to be limited to a spacific amount of time or posts to discuss admin. issues even though the moderator has not responded with a clarification to my request for clarification as of yet?
I do not consider my requests for clarification to be frivolous, for they they are to clear up matters that are important to me.
For instance, in the post that you are referring to, Dr. Hsiung has a link to click on about what Jean Rousseau writes. In that link there are statements that if are endorsed by the forum could cause me to have to leave, for I consider Rousseau's statement that[...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence....true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...]to be a violation of the forum's goals of support and I am asking Dr. Hsiung to clarify if he endorses that statement for the forum and that christians are to be seen in that light because Dr. Hsiung writes after Rousseau's statement about[..whoever dare say...no salvation outside of the church...] that that supports the posting policy hear. I have asked him to delete it because I really do not think that it belongs on a mental health forum particularry when it is put on the forum by the moderator because it could have the potential for others to think that the forum endorses this type of attitude toward christians,
Now I have an interest as you do here, and I am asking DR.Hsiung to clarify this, for if the forum endorses that christians are to be put in that light on this forum, then I feel that they are being defamed and if they are defamed, then I am defamed.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 17:01:29
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B-rs » Lou PIlder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 16:37:31
SLS,
You wrote,[...an option that is {less disruptive} would be to email with...].
Well, I do want you to know that I have sent emails to Dr. Hsiung and Dinah when she was a moderator deputy.
But this forum is for discussion of these things and I am responding to the invitation to discuss these things. I feel that they belong on this forum as much as any other admin. post because I feel that resolving the clarifications that I have requested to be clarified is more impotant than if it takes a long time to do so.
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 21:54:45
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B, posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
> It is not my intention to submit 100 posts .
I am greatly relieved. Such behavior could create a very real need to impose quotas on posting. I would be in favor of using the administration board to discuss this need should it present itself. I truly hope that it does not.
> On the contrary, my post wrote that I would like the referrence to Rousseau to be deleted
I understand that this is your request of Dr. Hsiung.
> because to discuss Rousseau and all of the implications that could come out of it would be too much posting
Hmmm. How would you define too much posting?
> and that is why I have asked for it to be deleted.
Because it would be too much posting?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 22:50:07
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B, posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
Hi Lou.
It might be desirable to give people more time to respond to your requests for clarifications and to interact in general. It would probably enhance discussion and reduce the number of sequential unanswered posts. I believe that this would help maintain the continuity of threads and the readability of the board.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:40:05
In reply to Scott's request to Lou, posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 22:50:07
Friends,
The opening page of the faith board calls attention to a part of Jean Rousseau's writing. In that writing, Jean Rousseau writes,[...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...].
Let us look at what christianity says.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:49:25
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:40:05
Friends,
As this Jesus of Chritianity began to speak after His declaration of who He was, He was greeted by a multitude of people and His first words to them were, " Blessed are the poor in Spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:52:45
In reply to Re: What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:49:25
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes arond Him, "Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:55:18
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?3, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:52:45
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:01:41
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?4, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:55:18
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after rightiousness, for they shall be filled."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:05:16
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?5, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:01:41
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are the murciful, for they shall obtain mercy."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:07:43
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?6, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:05:16
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are the pure at heart, for they shall see God."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:13:30
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?7, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:07:43
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called , The Children of God."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:16:42
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?8, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:13:30
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are they that are persecuted for rightiouness' sake, for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:21:25
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?9, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:16:42
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Chrstianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are you, when men revile and persecute you,and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:35:10
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?10, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:21:25
Friends,
This Jesus of Christianity could be the Jesus and Christianity that Jean Jaques Roussea was referring to. I belive that it was , for the history of the world, and in the time period of Jean Rousseau's time, the Jesus that spoke the previous words was the same Jesus.
This Jesus Jean Rousseau says [...preaches only servitude and dependence...].
Is that what this Jesus of Christianity preached in the previous posts? Is mourning a part of this dependence and servitude that Jean Roussear writes about? Is being merciful part of the dependence that Jean Rousseau wrote Bout?
Are hungering and thirsting for rightiousness part of what Jean Rousseau was referring to as dependance and servitude? Would not servitude to rightiousness be a good quality for a person to have?
I have questions that I would like anyone to answer. Is Jean Jaques Rouseauu the athourity here on this Jesus of Christianity? If so, where does he get this authority from?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 21:01:51
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?10, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:35:10
Friends,
Jean Jaques Rousseau write, [...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence....true christians are made to be slaves...].
Let us look at what this Jesus of Christianity said .
He was questioned greatly about life. And on one occasion when questioned on why He was here for people, He said," I come that they may have life and that they might have it more abundanly."
Does that sound like what Jean Rouseaau says about Christianity?
Lou
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 25, 2004, at 21:37:03
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?12, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 21:01:51
That these should be posted on the Faith board.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 21:43:36
In reply to Well my Belief is.., posted by Gabbix2 on September 25, 2004, at 21:37:03
Gabbix,
Thank you for your interest in this discussion. You wrote,[...should be ...on the faith board...].
Well, the posts in question are in relation to refuting Jean Jaques Rousseau's accusations that [...Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence,...made to be slaves...short life counts little...]in a thread that it is relevant to. If i was to post it on the faith board, then it would not appear in the thread here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 22:16:21
In reply to Lou's reply to Gabbix2 » Gabbix2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 21:43:36
Gabbix2,
This thread is an administrative discussion on what in part is written on the opening page of the faith board that I beliveis defaming to Christians and others and I am in a dialog with Dr. Hsiung in referrence to my request that the referrences that use Jean Rousseau either be removed or ckarified as to if the forum endorses what is in question here.
It is my belife that the statements in question by Rousseau are in violation of the forum's goal of support, for I belive that the statements by Rousseau put down the christians faith and that is why I have posted the posts that you have asked about. I am showing that Rousseau's accusations about Christianity are not consistant with the Jesus of Christianity in relation to what He preached, for what that Jesus preached is different from what Rousseau writes about Christianity.
If this is so, then could not the parts on the faith board by Rousseau be deemed false and deserve to be removed?
I hope this gives more light on why I posted the posts in question. The posts are part of a dialog with me and Dr. Hsiung and others in this thread, not something that I wanted to post as a faith post. So I am not seeking faith responses . If I was, then I would post it on the faith board.
Lou
Posted by Gabbix2 on September 25, 2004, at 22:52:33
In reply to Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 22:16:21
I think you voiced your disagreement very eloquently in that single post Groovy Lou. The reason I mentioned that I thought this belonged on the Faith board was because read individually the single posts appeared to me to be Bible Teachings..
By the time I got to the bottom I'd lost your original point.
However after reading "Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B" I understand your concerns much better.
And I really don't mind if you post 10 times
or 12, (except in certain situations) but I do think others would alsounderstand what you had to say much better from a single post (or a Gabbi double) But I know you've heard all that before : )
Then again, I'm hardly one to give advice on how to get one's point across succinctly.Foiled again.
Last post for me!
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 22:56:55
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Gabbix2-B » Lou Pilder, posted by Gabbix2 on September 25, 2004, at 22:52:33
Gabbi2,
thank you for your reply. I guess I better let it out here. You see, I can not write any other way than I do. I have a rare neurological disorder that prohibits me from posting (normally?). Your comments are kind ones about my posting.
Bless,
Lou
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