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Posted by OddipusRex on April 7, 2003, at 20:29:19
In reply to Re: It all began in Florida with hanging chads. (nm), posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 20:21:56
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 7, 2003, at 21:06:09
In reply to Re: Hoping you'll apologize » Dr. Bob, posted by OddipusRex on April 7, 2003, at 14:16:48
> > > > > > Here's a paradox: Terrorists in our society are supposedly evil. The definition of a terrorist is a person who plots to kill an innocent civilian. Yet our allied forces conspire to kill the same number of `enemy' human beings who died in the World Trade Towers.
> > > > > > Our allied forces are not terrorists?
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030401/msgs/216284.html
>
> Why are you referring me to a link quoting Goerhing?Sorry, wrong link, what I meant was:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030401/msgs/216112.html
where I was quoting from...
Bob
Posted by noa on April 7, 2003, at 21:12:05
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 4:59:10
A while back I argued with Dr. Bob that there could be room for political/war discussions without it becoming too hostile. He had argued that it was unlikely that such discussions could happen in a civil manner, that they would escalate too quickly and to hotly.
Perhaps I underestimated the power of such discussions. I concede to the Dr. on this one.
It seems to me that a number of misunderstandings heated up really fast into anger and hurt.
All of the people involved are posters I respect and want to have around. Maybe a deep breath and backing off from it for a bit can help?
And I guess we need to be extremely sensitive to how touchy a topic this war is for many of us (myself included which is one reason I tend to stay away from those discussions).
Posted by IsoM on April 7, 2003, at 21:13:18
In reply to Thanks for replying » IsoM, posted by OddipusRex on April 7, 2003, at 20:06:56
Yeah, we probably have many of the same ideals but different approaches to how they can be reached. It's easy to direct oneself, or try to raise one's children with at least similar ideals - it's impossible to get the world to think similarly (like tolerance & love). I bet our goals are very much the same - peace, happiness, security, stability, & everything that fosters life in a positive way. I know from reading your posts before, I've thought "good grief! is this what she thinks?" but I never commented. I preferred to keep on reading, trying to get a more rounded picture of who you are without jumping to conclusions. I'm hoping that I'm getting closer to 'seeing' you.
I must say your self-posts have made me laugh aloud! I believe that many people, despite differences, can genuinely grow fond of each other, if only conflict was minimized. I'm only human so first impressions has a strong impact on me. But I strive to reach beyond that & refuse to form any judgement over character or personality till I've got lots to base it on. And even then, I'm always ready to adjust my views. I'm glad you've posted those - it gave me a better glimpse of who you are.
I hope, sometimes, people will try to judge my heart (by my intentions). I know I've really said or done things stupidly when it was what I was meaning to at all - not nasty things but stupid stuff. You should hear me talk, off the cuff. Phrases often come out wrong. Thankfully, when people know me, it makes them laugh instead of wondering 'what the hell?' I could come up with quite a few examples that I laughingly remember. Like one friend said "Judy just opens her mouth to change feet." He was exaggerating, of course, but touching on the truth of it.
Posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 21:49:14
In reply to Re: corrected link, posted by Dr. Bob on April 7, 2003, at 21:06:09
You don't think Alara meant to be uncivil. I don't either. So a PBC was probably not in order. How about if this comes up in the future, a Please don't compare troops to terrorists, or Please be respectful that others feel differently about the war, or even a This is a war free zone, or something like that?
That way posters like me could stay out of the whole thing without feeling like I was violating my conscience and civic duty.
And bad feelings could be confined to you alone. :D
Posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 21:49:45
In reply to Re: I propose a compromise?, posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 21:49:14
Posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 21:52:18
In reply to Re: corrected link, posted by Dr. Bob on April 7, 2003, at 21:06:09
And perhaps a half apology. Which would not only smooth ruffled feathers, but would astound, amaze, and impress a few posters as well.
Posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 22:06:33
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 21:52:18
Apologize to who?
Posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 22:14:02
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Dinah, posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 22:06:33
Well actually, Phil, I was mistaken. Dr. Bob already did apologize to Oddipus. He said "Sorry, wrong link". But it didn't engender the appropriate shock and awe among those who think he never apologies.
So perhaps a half apology for letting this get out of hand, and not addressing it according to his stated war discussion policy as outlined at the beginning of the war?
Posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 22:30:10
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Phil, posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 22:14:02
I'm having some serious depression, so I get lost in threads very easily..always have. So, I had to ask.
I just read my PBC: Did someone say our troops are evil and mindless and an American life isn't worth saving? Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't be sarcastic, post anything that could lead them to feel put down, or exaggerate or overgeneralize, thanks
I think Drbob covered everything except my punctuation. That PBC leads me to feel put down. I'm glad this thread is over. My time here is growing short, I'm afraid.
Posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 22:38:52
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Dinah, posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 22:30:10
That would be a shame Phil. I enjoy your posts very much. As I always say, remember that it's the posters who make up the board, not Dr. Bob.
I'm sorry you're in a depression. You've always been so, oh I'm tired and can't think of the words. But you've always seemed like you could hold your own with the beast and give it hell in return. I often think of your post to me about taking suicide off the table. I'm not sure I'm there yet, but you gave me something to think about. I hope you start on the road back up soon.
Posted by fayeroe on April 7, 2003, at 22:54:31
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Dinah, posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 22:30:10
> I'm having some serious depression, so I get lost in threads very easily..always have. So, I had to ask.
>
> I just read my PBC: Did someone say our troops are evil and mindless and an American life isn't worth saving? Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't be sarcastic, post anything that could lead them to feel put down, or exaggerate or overgeneralize, thanksphil, come over to the new board. pat
>
> I think Drbob covered everything except my punctuation. That PBC leads me to feel put down. I'm glad this thread is over. My time here is growing short, I'm afraid.
Posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 23:19:16
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Phil, posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 22:38:52
I tapered off of Lexapro, last dose 10 days ago. Dizzyness, nausea, shocks have worn me out.
Had to leave work this a.m. and started taking Lex again.
Suicide is still off the table; I haven't had a life in years but I'll keep what I have. My head feels like it was slammed by a fastball.
Nother day in paradise.
Posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 0:02:42
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum), posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 23:19:16
He wrote these words to me in a post recently:
"I see your point, and should've said something, sorry."
Posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 4:42:30
In reply to In defense of Dr.Bob..., posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 0:02:42
You're right Kara. I've actually known him to apologize quite often. I was mainly teasing to lighten the atmosphere.
Posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:49:36
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on April 7, 2003, at 4:59:10
If it's ok to insult countries other than your own, Phil's PBC clearly should be rescinded.
I'm tempted to tell a few jokes here, but won't.
And do as you wish. I'm taking a leave of absence.
Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2003, at 8:46:00
In reply to In defense of Dr.Bob..., posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 0:02:42
> He wrote these words to me in a post recently:
>
> "I see your point, and should've said something, sorry."nit picking here...but wasn't that just an apology for NOT saying something...not for something he said or did??????? i see a world of difference in that and i also see the you know what hitting the fan after i post this! the power that he is given by the posters is incredible!!he is no more or no less than someone with a research website..........PAT
Posted by Phil on April 8, 2003, at 10:40:18
In reply to Re: Never mind Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:49:36
Posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 13:08:19
In reply to Re: Never mind Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on April 8, 2003, at 7:49:36
Dinah,
I agree with you. I was only responding to someone saying that Dr. Bob never apologizes.
Posted by kara lynne on April 8, 2003, at 13:15:31
In reply to Re: In defense of Dr.Bob... » kara lynne, posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2003, at 8:46:00
Well, it was an apology nonetheless. It doesn't mean I don't agree with you.
Posted by OddipusRex on April 8, 2003, at 16:33:18
In reply to Re: corrected link, posted by Dr. Bob on April 7, 2003, at 21:06:09
Please address the question of when it is acceptable to make any sort of vile parallels if there is a question mark at the end. This will surely come up again.
Please retract your PBC to Greg and formulate some kind of guidelines that will eliminate the kind of posts that he was replying to.
Alara has apologized on PSB. Please acknowledge her apology and remind her of the civility guidelines.
The mistake you made posting the link to Goerhing caused a distraction.Thanks for apologizing for that. Now that you have dealt with that mistake, please address the issues we have raised.
Thank you
Posted by noa on April 8, 2003, at 20:02:36
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum), posted by Phil on April 7, 2003, at 23:19:16
Phil, I'm sorry to hear how depressed you are. I hope you'll stick around the boards, get some support.
I enjoy your company.
Posted by Phil on April 8, 2003, at 20:35:24
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » Phil , posted by noa on April 8, 2003, at 20:02:36
Noa, I'm already feeling good, for the most part.
I had to see if one of my drugs was still necessary cause it sucks. Well, it does suck but it is a good AD and I was reminded in short order how important these drugs are. So I'm back.
Got a story that I will try to write to you on PSB tonight. I'm wired so it's hard to be succinct and just get to the point. : )Thank you.
Posted by noa on April 8, 2003, at 22:11:37
In reply to Re: (Compromise addendum) » noa, posted by Phil on April 8, 2003, at 20:35:24
sounds like the stinky but necessary reality that we live with, for now, that some of our meds do their AD jobs but not without a price. I think of this as the "next best thing" until something better is developed.
See ya back at PSB.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 9, 2003, at 1:24:11
In reply to Thanks for apology for wrong link but............ » Dr. Bob, posted by OddipusRex on April 8, 2003, at 16:33:18
> Please address the question of when it is acceptable to make any sort of vile parallels if there is a question mark at the end.
Sorry, but I can't spell out exactly what will be acceptable here.
> Please retract your PBC to Greg and formulate some kind of guidelines that will eliminate the kind of posts that he was replying to.
Sorry, can you give me a URL?
> Alara has apologized on PSB. Please acknowledge her apology and remind her of the civility guidelines.
Would she like an acknowledgement from me? I did appreciate her response. But since I didn't consider her post uncivil, I don't consider it necessary to remind her of the guidelines.
Bob
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