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Posted by Tomatheus on February 29, 2016, at 1:00:30
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 23:45:00
Fiftylager1,
Thank you for taking the time to describe the symptoms that you've endured and the experiences that you've had with doctors and psychiatric medications. Without a doubt, bipolar disorder can be a difficult condition to live with. And I think that living with a mental health condition such as bipolar disorder can become a lot more complicated when the treatments that are prescribed and/or recommended don't produce the intended results, especially when this happens with one treatment after another. Not only do we the patients end up feeling disappointed and frustrated with the mental health system when the results of the treatments that are offered to us turn out to be quite different than what we were hoping for, but along the lines of what you pointed out, our family members, friends, and coworkers (if we have them) also end up becoming impatient, disappointed, and even resentful of us when we experience ongoing symptoms (or medication side effects) that might interfere with being able to living up to some of the expectations that those in our lives might have of us. When the treatment of a mental health condition doesn't go well, all of those close to the patient being treated end up being affected, and I think that this can have a tendency to intensify any feelings of helplessness that might already exist in the minds of us patients.
The search for solutions can definitely be challenging, to say the least, when a patient diagnosed with bipolar disorder or another mental health condition has not responded favorably to first and second-line treatments. One approach that some find to be helpful after (or even before) going through several medication trials with little to no success is to look beyond medications and psychiatry, sometimes as more of a means of adding to what mainstream psychiatry has to offer instead of being a means of replacing psychiatric care. Psychosocial treatment approaches, alternative treatments, and paying close attention to lifestyle factors like diet, exercise, and sleep can sometimes be of value in the management of mood disorders, even if such methods of managing mental health conditions don't necessarily lead to a reduction of symptoms in all patients. As the case is with psychiatric medications, other methods of managing mental health conditions are not necessarily going to be helpful for everyone who utilizes them, but I think that it can be beneficial to explore as many different approaches to treatment as possible to see if there might be some form of treatment that you might not have thought about that might somehow serve you well.
At any rate, I'd encourage you to take the approach or approaches to managing your condition that you feel would be best. I know that I didn't offer a whole lot of specifics in what I recommended in the above paragraph, but I definitely would keep looking for answers in any places where you think you might be able to find them.
Take care,
Tomatheus
Posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 6:40:55
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here, posted by Fiftylager1 on February 28, 2016, at 23:45:00
I'm glad you had such a productive interaction with Tomatheus. He's one of a kind.
I agree that most antidepressants are bad for you, primarily because you are bipolar. Any antidepressant can cause a switch into mania or hypomania, but some worse than others.
If you haven't tried Trileptal, I would consider taking it in place of Depakote. Depakote is okay for mania, but rarely helps for depression. It can even make depression worse. Trileptal might very well help with the hypomanic component of your mixed state. People who have anger or impulse control issues often respond well to Trileptal. In my experience, Trileptal has no discernible if any side effects. The only thing to watch for is a loss of blood sodium (hyponatremia). I would keep the Lamictal and possibly switch from Abilify to Geodon for both depression and perhaps act as a prophylactic against mania. Geodon can work for bipolar depression without having an antidepressant on board. From what I have observed, Abilify is not so good without an antidepressant. Saphris also has antidpressive effects in the absence of an antidepressant.
What has been your experience with lithium? What dosage are you taking and what is your blood level?
You will need to be patient, especially if there is any rapid cyclicity involved. The NIMH recommends combining lithium with Lamictal in these cases. Lamictal has been shown to help with ultra-rapid cyclicity, but can take as long as 6 months to penetrate the cycle.
As you already know, there are no guarantees as to how an individual will respond to any given drug. It would be wonderful if my suggestions were to get you well, but they might make you feel worse.
This is just one possible course of action. Of course, you must rely on the judgement of your doctor.
1. Depakote -> Trileptal
2. Abilify -> Geodon -> Saphris
3. Lamictal 300 mg/day as tolerated
4. Latuda? Possibly discontinue
5. lithium? Possibly reduce dosage
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 29, 2016, at 10:27:39
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here » Fiftylager1, posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 6:40:55
> I'm glad you had such a productive interaction with Tomatheus. He's one of a kind.
>
> I agree that most antidepressants are bad for you, primarily because you are bipolar. Any antidepressant can cause a switch into mania or hypomania, but some worse than others.
>
> If you haven't tried Trileptal, I would consider taking it in place of Depakote. Depakote is okay for mania, but rarely helps for depression. It can even make depression worse. Trileptal might very well help with the hypomanic component of your mixed state. People who have anger or impulse control issues often respond well to Trileptal. In my experience, Trileptal has no discernible if any side effects. The only thing to watch for is a loss of blood sodium (hyponatremia). I would keep the Lamictal and possibly switch from Abilify to Geodon for both depression and perhaps act as a prophylactic against mania. Geodon can work for bipolar depression without having an antidepressant on board. From what I have observed, Abilify is not so good without an antidepressant. Saphris also has antidpressive effects in the absence of an antidepressant.
>
> What has been your experience with lithium? What dosage are you taking and what is your blood level?
>
> You will need to be patient, especially if there is any rapid cyclicity involved. The NIMH recommends combining lithium with Lamictal in these cases. Lamictal has been shown to help with ultra-rapid cyclicity, but can take as long as 6 months to penetrate the cycle.
>
> As you already know, there are no guarantees as to how an individual will respond to any given drug. It would be wonderful if my suggestions were to get you well, but they might make you feel worse.
>
> This is just one possible course of action. Of course, you must rely on the judgement of your doctor.
>
> 1. Depakote -> Trileptal
> 2. Abilify -> Geodon -> Saphris
> 3. Lamictal 300 mg/day as tolerated
> 4. Latuda? Possibly discontinue
> 5. lithium? Possibly reduce dosage
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Be not deceived. There are millions of people in their graves that were prescribed these drugs and took them as prescribed by their doctor and were killed by the drug. And many of those drugged by the doctors killed innocent people.
And children reading here could take the advice you give them like a brother. Their life span could be shortened, they could receive addiction and get life-ruining conditions and death. This is in part caused by the fallacious argument that these drugs are medicines. But a medicine is something that treats a disease. These conditions are not a disease. If they were, then the drugs could cure them, but they do not. These drugs are chemicals used to kill, they are nerve agents used in the commission of mass-murder and to kill parasitic worms and rats.
There is a way to get off the train of death but I am prevented by Mr. Hsiung to post that here due to his prohibition to me to not post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me.
But the foundation of death is allowed to be promulgated here as the train leaves daily here to transport those taking these drugs to their deaths. And once you are on that train of death, it is most difficult to get off of it because you become captive to the psychiatrists and their drugs by addiction and the false ideas of psychiatry that deceives you into thinking that you have a disease, where no disease is justified to be claimed, and you have to take their concoctions of death that they call "medicines". And then they could convince you that you have a chemical imbalance and their drugs will correct that imbalance. The imbalance will come from taking their drugs and keep you on the train to death to try to find another drug to offset the imbalance that the psychiatrist gave you.
And all the while posters here keep insisting that there is the fantasy out there that you have been given the wrong drug and they will help you to find the right drug for you. Those people that do that here could look back at the people here that were killed by the drugs or killed themselves and ask themselves if the blood of those killed could be upon them. After all, they could have gotten them on the train to their deaths and gave them a ticket to ride.
All aboard,
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 12:24:33
In reply to Re: Hey everyone.. Newby here » Fiftylager1, posted by SLS on February 29, 2016, at 6:40:55
I rewrote the subject line to return it to its original text and removed Lou Pilder's name from it.
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on March 1, 2016, at 18:49:20
In reply to Lou's warning-train to death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 28, 2016, at 20:09:02
>>Do you want to be like Scott?
In many ways I most certainly do. I try to and hope to emulate many of Scott's qualities.
(((Scott)))
-- 10der
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 23:02:17
In reply to Lou's grave warning-all aboard-a ticket to ride » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 29, 2016, at 10:27:39
>These drugs are chemicals used to kill, they are nerve agents used in the commission of mass-murder and to kill parasitic worms and rats.
Psycho Lou, there is a heck of a lot more in those that I will deal with in due course, but let's start here.
What you have stated here is false. By what authority do I state that, Lou? I am a chemist. I am an environmental toxicologist.
You, Lou, are a clueless sociopath, who will say anything to try and support your pathological narcissism. You were not informed by divine intervention. You are mentally ill. Severely mentally ill.
If you doubt that, Lou, I will proceed to discuss other sentences in this post.
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2016, at 6:42:16
In reply to Re: Lou's grave warning-all aboard-a ticket to ride » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 23:02:17
> >These drugs are chemicals used to kill, they are nerve agents used in the commission of mass-murder and to kill parasitic worms and rats.
>
> Psycho Lou, there is a heck of a lot more in those that I will deal with in due course, but let's start here.
>
> What you have stated here is false. By what authority do I state that, Lou? I am a chemist. I am an environmental toxicologist.
>
> You, Lou, are a clueless sociopath, who will say anything to try and support your pathological narcissism. You were not informed by divine intervention. You are mentally ill. Severely mentally ill.
>
> If you doubt that, Lou, I will proceed to discuss other sentences in this post.
>
> LarFriends,
Be not deceived. The tactics of those that want to defame Jews is to represent them as liars. This is part of the game plan for centuries. Here we have the classic anti-Semitic community that the owner/operator allows defamation to be heaped upon me and giving those that post such hate immunity from his enforcement policy.
But be it as it may be, your life is at stake here by reading the slander against me here as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record. The tragedy here is that children could be killed by reading here.
You see, I have come here to take those chains off your heart and set you free. Free from the slavery of addiction to these mind-altering chemicals that come from pesticides and insecticides. These chemicals are not medicines, for they do not treat a disease nor cure what you have. They are chemical nerve-agents. But it is much worse than that. But let us look first at this:
Lou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenothiazine
Posted by Fiftylager1 on March 7, 2016, at 8:28:28
In reply to Lou's response-take those chains off your heart » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2016, at 6:42:16
Maybe he's suffering psychosis.. He's clearly not taking medsmeds.. I'm juse ignoring his babble from now on.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 7, 2016, at 22:36:09
In reply to Lou's response-take those chains off your heart » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2016, at 6:42:16
Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
Your link to phenothiazine is precisely the type of BS that I was calling you on. Phenothiazine is a precursor to other substances. Its properties are not the same as those other substances. There is no "memory" of what once existed, in the properties of the final chemical product. Change one atom, and you change the properties. Permanently.
Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 8:42:11
In reply to Re: Lou faces his Rubicon » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 7, 2016, at 22:36:09
> Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
>
> Your link to phenothiazine is precisely the type of BS that I was calling you on. Phenothiazine is a precursor to other substances. Its properties are not the same as those other substances. There is no "memory" of what once existed, in the properties of the final chemical product. Change one atom, and you change the properties. Permanently.
>
> Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
>
> LarFriends,
Be not deceived. Let us look at this:
Lou
https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/5EF5BFtimeline
Mr. Hoover is allowed to defame me here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record. This could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held.
This is how anti-Semitism is created and developed in a community. The Jews in the community are allowed to be defamed with impunity by the leaders which creates two standards as the Jew is not afforded equal protection of the laws or rules here. This creates a hostile environment for Jews here as Mr. Hsiung allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive by him and worse, that in his thinking it will better his community as a whole.
This is nothing new, but part of the playbook that has been used for centuries to arouse hatred toward the Jews. Here, Mr. Hoover could seriously mislead you to your deaths. And Mr. Hsiung allows
the defamation against me to be seen as being supportive. My friends, modifying a chemical constituent could make it more water or fat soluble so that the drug can enter the brain easier or faster or increase the potency of the drug without changing the neurotoxicity of the nerve-agent in the drug. The molecule in the drugs in question here can still cause tardive dyskinesia even of they are chloronated, fluorinated, methylated piperdined or diazapined or a whole lot more modifications to the original molecule. Brain damage could still happen from those drugs as well from the original molecule. The original molecule comes from benzene. A benzodiazepine could still cause addiction and worse. The drugs modified could still cause diabetes, liver failure, blood diseases and worse. Thousands of people are killed by these drugs each month. They came from chemicals used in insecticides, and to kill parasitic worms.
Mr. Hsiung is allowing Mr. Hoover to post what could cause your death if you think that these drugs have been changed by chemical manipulation so that they are safer than they really are. You can still die from the drugs when modified chemically as you could from the original molecule. And worse, children reading here could discard what I post and be led to their deaths. Oh, the horrors of this site.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
In reply to Lou's response-create and develop antisemitism » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 8:42:11
> > Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
> >
> > Your link to phenothiazine is precisely the type of BS that I was calling you on. Phenothiazine is a precursor to other substances. Its properties are not the same as those other substances. There is no "memory" of what once existed, in the properties of the final chemical product. Change one atom, and you change the properties. Permanently.
> >
> > Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
> >
> > Lar
>
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. Let us look at this:
> Lou
> https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/5EF5BFtimeline
> Mr. Hoover is allowed to defame me here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record. This could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held.
> This is how anti-Semitism is created and developed in a community. The Jews in the community are allowed to be defamed with impunity by the leaders which creates two standards as the Jew is not afforded equal protection of the laws or rules here. This creates a hostile environment for Jews here as Mr. Hsiung allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive by him and worse, that in his thinking it will better his community as a whole.
> This is nothing new, but part of the playbook that has been used for centuries to arouse hatred toward the Jews. Here, Mr. Hoover could seriously mislead you to your deaths. And Mr. Hsiung allows
> the defamation against me to be seen as being supportive. My friends, modifying a chemical constituent could make it more water or fat soluble so that the drug can enter the brain easier or faster or increase the potency of the drug without changing the neurotoxicity of the nerve-agent in the drug. The molecule in the drugs in question here can still cause tardive dyskinesia even of they are chloronated, fluorinated, methylated piperdined or diazapined or a whole lot more modifications to the original molecule. Brain damage could still happen from those drugs as well from the original molecule. The original molecule comes from benzene. A benzodiazepine could still cause addiction and worse. The drugs modified could still cause diabetes, liver failure, blood diseases and worse. Thousands of people are killed by these drugs each month. They came from chemicals used in insecticides, and to kill parasitic worms.
> Mr. Hsiung is allowing Mr. Hoover to post what could cause your death if you think that these drugs have been changed by chemical manipulation so that they are safer than they really are. You can still die from the drugs when modified chemically as you could from the original molecule. And worse, children reading here could discard what I post and be led to their deaths. Oh, the horrors of this site.
> LouFriends,
These drugs originated from drugs that were used to kill insects and parasitic worms and rats. Here is the timeline for such:
Lou
https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/%EF%BB%BFtimeline
Posted by Fiftylager1 on March 8, 2016, at 9:52:09
In reply to Lou's response-timeline, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
Ever heard of Coumadin.. A life saving drug that prevents blood clotting and saves millions of people. It's also called warfarin. A medication used to kill rats and mice. You are a pathetic troll. I bet you sit behind your computer all day doing things I won't even say andand getting pleasure out of tormenting the already tormented. Go somewhere else. Some people here are on the verge of suicide because they don't take meds and many others have already killed themselves because they didn't get a proper diagnosis or medication. I'd be dead already if not for medication. My medication is not perfect and may need to be changed but better then dead I guess. You are promoting stigma and hate. No one on here believes a thing you say so why don't you take your repetitive message elsewhere and get a life while you're at it. This is a support board not a troll board.
Posted by J Kelly on March 8, 2016, at 11:28:37
In reply to Lou's response-timeline, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
Lou?
Meh
Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.
Jade
Posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 11:45:33
In reply to Lou's response-timeline, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 9:13:40
> https://www.madinamerica.com/2011/11/%EF%BB%BFtimeline
Wow, that site is a horrifying collection of unsubstantiated claims, inneundo, and straw-man arguments.
I found one article by a psychiatrist who had a personal revelation while pregnant that psychiatric drugs were dangerous for everyone, not just pregnant people. She then devoted herself to taking her patients off drugs, based on no evidence but her personal feelings. Commenters in her article claim that schizophrenia and bipolar disorder don't exist and should not be medicated!
I feel sad for people like our own Lou Pilder that believe this mis-information and avoid getting appropriate treatment.
Posted by Fiftylager1 on March 8, 2016, at 12:11:01
In reply to Re: the anti-psychiatry site linked, posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 11:45:33
I wish we could click like on Comments, like you can on fb, lol!
Posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 12:33:19
In reply to Re: the anti-psychiatry site linked, posted by Fiftylager1 on March 8, 2016, at 12:11:01
Thanks! Yeah, I keep having the impulse to click "Like" then I remember we're still back in Web 1.0 here :-)
Posted by SLS on March 8, 2016, at 13:51:10
In reply to Re: Lou? Meh, posted by J Kelly on March 8, 2016, at 11:28:37
Be not deceived:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160306/msgs/1086899.html
- Scott-----------------------------------------
> Lou?
>
> Meh
>
> Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.
>
> Jade
Posted by Fiftylager1 on March 8, 2016, at 14:43:26
In reply to Re: 'Like' » Fiftylager1, posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 12:33:19
I know I'm new here but I wonder if we should consider starting a fb group. Dr Bob has been gone a long time hasn't he? I don't know if we could find a psychiatrist to help admin the board but with all our experience combined we may as well be psychiatrists. Even this board is disclaimed only to be for support and not medical advice. We'd have the ability to kick out trolls too. Any thoughts?
Posted by J Kelly on March 8, 2016, at 16:16:46
In reply to Be not deceived. » J Kelly, posted by SLS on March 8, 2016, at 13:51:10
> Be not deceived:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160306/msgs/1086899.html
>
>
> - Scott
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
>
> > Lou?
> >
> > Meh
> >
> > Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.
> >
> > Jade
>
>I really just don't give a rat's *ss about Lou Pilder. I don't read his posts, I don't read responses to his posts. He just takes up room on my screen.
However,
> "New posters are a favorite target for our troll. Most of us already know our troll very well, and do not often satisfy his pathological needs. This is not true of first-time posters who are often desperate, distraught and vulnerable to being upset. They are usually dissuaded from continuing to post here as they are seeking refuge. New posters are easily harmed by the troll."
This does bother me.
Jade
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 8, 2016, at 19:33:51
In reply to Lou's response-create and develop antisemitism » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2016, at 8:42:11
> > Lou, I told you to drop the religion card. Don't do it again, unless you want to prove you're a sociopath with a low IQ.
> >
> > Lou, what do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
> >
> > Lar
>Lou, I am very insistent that you drop the Jew-bashing angle altogether. I don't care what your faith is. I don't care at all.
I asked you a scientific question, above.
What do you get if you mix lye (Drano) with muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) in a ratio of 1.097 to 1, mixed in a little bit of water?
If you mix these two dangerous and deadly chemicals together in the right proportions (I gave you the proportions), you get hot salt water (sodium chloride solution). Perfect for boiling your potatoes for dinner, and indistinguishable from a sodium chloride solution produced by the more common method of adding table salt to the water.
Try, just try, to apply an analogous manifest change in chemical properties to phenothiazine.
Try, Lou. Prove to me that you're not beyond redemption.
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2016, at 9:31:23
In reply to Re: Lou's response-timeline, posted by Fiftylager1 on March 8, 2016, at 9:52:09
> Ever heard of Coumadin.. A life saving drug that prevents blood clotting and saves millions of people. It's also called warfarin. A medication used to kill rats and mice. You are a pathetic troll. I bet you sit behind your computer all day doing things I won't even say andand getting pleasure out of tormenting the already tormented. Go somewhere else. Some people here are on the verge of suicide because they don't take meds and many others have already killed themselves because they didn't get a proper diagnosis or medication. I'd be dead already if not for medication. My medication is not perfect and may need to be changed but better then dead I guess. You are promoting stigma and hate. No one on here believes a thing you say so why don't you take your repetitive message elsewhere and get a life while you're at it. This is a support board not a troll board.
Friends,
Be not deceived. The defamation posted here against me with impunity by Mr. Hsiung could cost you your life. This is because the hate is seen as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record that does his wishes. You see, the hate can be turned inward and transferred to others that could cause you to kill yourself and/or others. Mr. Hsiung says that he does what will in his thinking be good for him and his community as a whole. By him allowing the defamation against me here with immunity from his enforcement policy, you could be seriously misled to follow him and the posters in concert with him here, to think that anti-Semitism is being supportive. You see, although the poster did not use any anti-Semitic epithets toward me, I am being a target of hate that is allowed by him. This is a historical tactic to harm Jews when the Jewish member is allowed by the others to have harm inflicted upon him all against the laws of the community. This shows a contempt for the Jewish person in that he is denied the equal protection of the laws. And worse, the policy of using the notification procedure is also denied to me so that those that post such hate here can continue to do it, for my notifications go un responded to.
The two standards, is what is commonly known as discrimination. The humiliation from being a target of discrimination can cause severe emotional/psychological distress that Mr. Hsiung knows or should know could result from him allowing the slander against me here. But it is much worse than that. For children reading here could be led to their deaths by thinking that a psychiatrist thinks that his community will be bettered by him allowing anti-Semitic hate to flourish which could give some readers a false mind-set of superiority that could be transferred into megalomania from the drugs that they are seriously misled to believe here that they are safer than they really are.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 9, 2016, at 12:45:56
In reply to Lou's response-being led falsely » Fiftylager1, posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2016, at 9:31:23
> You see, although the poster did not use any anti-Semitic epithets toward me, I am being a target of hate that is allowed by him. This is a historical tactic to harm Jews when the Jewish member is allowed by the others to have harm inflicted upon him all against the laws of the community. This shows a contempt for the Jewish person in that he is denied the equal protection of the laws.
Lou, Mr Hsiung isn't allowing or disallowing anything at this point. The board is un-moderated. Before he stopped moderating, he made it clear in several posts that he was letting you continue to post despite (1) repeatedly accusing others of anti-Semitism, which could lead them to feel put down, and (2) making extreme over-generalizations about the side effects of medications, which could lead others to draw incorrect conclusions. Mr Hsiung also ignored many requests to stop you from posting from others that object to the nature of your posts. So where you see persecution, you could instead see tolerance.
> And worse, the policy of using the notification procedure is also denied to me so that those that post such hate here can continue to do it, for my notifications go un responded to.
Do you miss Dr Bob? I do.
> But it is much worse than that. For children reading here could be led to their deaths by thinking that a psychiatrist thinks that his community will be bettered by him allowing anti-Semitic hate to flourish
Yikes. Children will be led to their deaths? Do you really think the conversation here has that much power?
> which could give some readers a false mind-set of superiority that could be transferred into megalomania from the drugs that they are seriously misled to believe here that they are safer than they really are.
Megalomania from drugs? Wow. I read the product inserts of all the drugs I take, and I have never seen a warning about megalomania. How often do you think that occurs?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2016, at 13:42:13
In reply to Re: being led falsely » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 9, 2016, at 12:45:56
> > You see, although the poster did not use any anti-Semitic epithets toward me, I am being a target of hate that is allowed by him. This is a historical tactic to harm Jews when the Jewish member is allowed by the others to have harm inflicted upon him all against the laws of the community. This shows a contempt for the Jewish person in that he is denied the equal protection of the laws.
>
> Lou, Mr Hsiung isn't allowing or disallowing anything at this point. The board is un-moderated. Before he stopped moderating, he made it clear in several posts that he was letting you continue to post despite (1) repeatedly accusing others of anti-Semitism, which could lead them to feel put down, and (2) making extreme over-generalizations about the side effects of medications, which could lead others to draw incorrect conclusions. Mr Hsiung also ignored many requests to stop you from posting from others that object to the nature of your posts. So where you see persecution, you could instead see tolerance.
>
> > And worse, the policy of using the notification procedure is also denied to me so that those that post such hate here can continue to do it, for my notifications go un responded to.
>
> Do you miss Dr Bob? I do.
>
> > But it is much worse than that. For children reading here could be led to their deaths by thinking that a psychiatrist thinks that his community will be bettered by him allowing anti-Semitic hate to flourish
>
> Yikes. Children will be led to their deaths? Do you really think the conversation here has that much power?
>
> > which could give some readers a false mind-set of superiority that could be transferred into megalomania from the drugs that they are seriously misled to believe here that they are safer than they really are.
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> Megalomania from drugs? Wow. I read the product inserts of all the drugs I take, and I have never seen a warning about megalomania. How often do you think that occurs?Friends,
Be not deceived. The allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda here to be seen as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record goes back many years, way before he stopped posting.
There are many possibilities for Mr. Hsiung being absent from the forum, and that does not mean that he automatically is not monitoring the forums. He could be just as involved by not posting, but the involvement could be directed at a different motive that time could reveal. But be it as it may be, what is seen here as being supportive could still influence children to take these drugs thinking that they are safer than they really are, and the anti-Semitic propaganda still being seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung where those statements are originally posted, could still influence vulnerable readers to commit anti-Semitic violence. A psychiatrist's influence can be very powerful to our young people here and think that if it is good for the psychiatrist's community as a whole, it could be good for the community that they reside in for the whole also. Then racism could develop out of that by transference. If Mr. Hsiung did not want that to come from here, I think he would stop it immediately rather than to let the furnace of hate be stoked from here and the winds carry the embers of the fire of hate to homes all over the world. I offered him the opportunity to post repudiations to those statements and he did for a few and then stopped. One of the most virulent anti-Semitic statement is still standing and can still induce anti-Semitic hatred even if Mr. Hsiung is not monitoring this site. If he or anyone else wants to justify leaving the statements to be seen as supportive because there are other statements left to stand, then does not annul the harm that could come from the statements as being seen as supportive.
Lou
Posted by J Kelly on March 9, 2016, at 14:09:03
In reply to Lou's response-does not annul » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2016, at 13:42:13
Lets just run this on a loop. Problem solved.
Posted by SLS on March 9, 2016, at 14:39:19
In reply to Re: Beware the troll Lou Pilder, posted by J Kelly on March 9, 2016, at 14:09:03
> Lets just run this on a loop. Problem solved.
I think the best thing to do is to ignore trolls as much as possible, except to monitor their interactions with new posters.
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