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Posted by Jeroen on December 8, 2014, at 13:14:52
Lou on this board is so damn right about everything
Jesus might have given me a last chance, i will take it, and not dissapoint him!!
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2014, at 15:54:58
In reply to Lou on this board is so damn right about everythin, posted by Jeroen on December 8, 2014, at 13:14:52
> Lou on this board is so damn right about everything
>
> Jesus might have given me a last chance, i will take it, and not dissapoint him!!jeroen,
You wrote,[...a last chance...].
A last chance to do what?
Lou
Posted by Jeroen on December 9, 2014, at 17:20:15
In reply to Lou's request-lastchance » Jeroen, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2014, at 15:54:58
to not take dangerous medications, so far they only damaged me, and never healed anything
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2014, at 19:43:52
In reply to Re: Lou's request-lastchance, posted by Jeroen on December 9, 2014, at 17:20:15
> to not take dangerous medications, so far they only damaged me, and never healed anything
Jeroen,
If you stop the drugs, you could die. This is all because your addiction won't stop and your drugs can't block the toll.
You see, when mind-altering drugs are stopped, one could have a state of mind induced into them so horrific, that they can kill themselves and/or others.
You may have read here where I talked about the troubled sea. This is where one withdrawing from mind-altering drugs could find themselves, tossed to and fro with mire and dirt cast upon them. And then a Beast can come out of the sea. It has been revealed to me that this beast is death. It is from the dark roads by the horrors of your memories from the carnal mind, for to be carnally minded has been revealed to me to be death.
This is where many kill themselves, for they see no way to overcome the treacherous affliction that they are in and take the easy way out.
But there is a way out, but it is not easy. It is through great tribulation in darkness and few there be that find it.
A person contacted me some time back and was in The Troubled Sea and could not stop the crashing waves and sickness and cold and darkness. The withdrawal was so horrific, with insomnia and seizures and vomiting and wanted to die.
I talked to the person about how the troubled sea could become a Sea of Glass and how the troubles sea is a fiery trial to overcome.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2014, at 20:18:06
In reply to Lou's reply- » Jeroen, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2014, at 19:43:52
> > to not take dangerous medications, so far they only damaged me, and never healed anything
>
> Jeroen,
> If you stop the drugs, you could die. This is all because your addiction won't stop and your drugs can't block the toll.
> You see, when mind-altering drugs are stopped, one could have a state of mind induced into them so horrific, that they can kill themselves and/or others.
> You may have read here where I talked about the troubled sea. This is where one withdrawing from mind-altering drugs could find themselves, tossed to and fro with mire and dirt cast upon them. And then a Beast can come out of the sea. It has been revealed to me that this beast is death. It is from the dark roads by the horrors of your memories from the carnal mind, for to be carnally minded has been revealed to me to be death.
> This is where many kill themselves, for they see no way to overcome the treacherous affliction that they are in and take the easy way out.
> But there is a way out, but it is not easy. It is through great tribulation in darkness and few there be that find it.
> A person contacted me some time back and was in The Troubled Sea and could not stop the crashing waves and sickness and cold and darkness. The withdrawal was so horrific, with insomnia and seizures and vomiting and wanted to die.
> I talked to the person about how the troubled sea could become a Sea of Glass and how the troubles sea is a fiery trial to overcome.Friends,
I am talking here about being in withdrawal from drugs taken in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. There is a way for the withdrawal to stop, but not immediately. And there is a way out of the bondage to these drugs that leads to life, and life more abundantly without taking more drugs. It also has been revealed to me that there is a great glory to those that overcome and do not kill themselves when they think that doing so will be an easy way out.
Many of you already know that I have come here to save lives and to tell you what has been revealed to me so that you will not take your own life.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 9:22:47
In reply to Lou's reply-some revision/clairification, posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2014, at 20:18:06
Lou, since when has suicide been "the easy way out"? Have you ever been in a suicidal state yourself? If so, you will know that it is extremely distressful and painful--so torturous that nothingness is deemed to be preferable. Also, the process of committing suicide is not neat and tidy and painless. By calling suicide "an easy way out" you diminish the incredible courage it takes to suppress the will to live and go through with the act. I object to the religious b*llsh*t you spew on this forum.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 10:02:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-some revision/clairification, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 9:22:47
> Lou, since when has suicide been "the easy way out"? Have you ever been in a suicidal state yourself? If so, you will know that it is extremely distressful and painful--so torturous that nothingness is deemed to be preferable. Also, the process of committing suicide is not neat and tidy and painless. By calling suicide "an easy way out" you diminish the incredible courage it takes to suppress the will to live and go through with the act. I object to the religious b*llsh*t you spew on this forum.
Guy,
What I am writing about contains that some people in withdrawal kill themselves {thinking} that doing so is the easy way out of the horrors of withdrawal from these drugs that they take in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. I base this on reports from people that attempted to kill themselves in withdraw3al that survived to tell why they attempted suicide.
What I am stressing here is for people in this mind-altered state to know that there is another way out of the horrors of withdrawal from the drugs that the psychiatrist gave them. I am not calling suicide the easy way out, but at the same time the way out of the horrors of withdrawal from the drugs that the psychiatrist has given them as revealed to me is through great tribulation. But when one comes out of the darkness into a marvelous light, there is great glory to be in a new realm free at last.
I say with great shame here that the prohibitions from Mr. Hsiung, a teacher, as I am, posted to me here that prevent me from posting the mysteries that have been revealed to me that can transform one in withdrawal to a new life so that they do not kill themselves, thinking that it is the easy way out. What I could post here comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to me to post here. Yet today, anti-Semitic propaganda is posted here that can be seen as being supprtive where those statements are originally posted which I see as the denying of academic freedom to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And you can post here that what I post from a Jewish perspective is {bullsh--} which a subset of readers could think is analogous to saying that the Jewish perspective as revealed to me is bull---, which is against Judaism. And for those that have killed themselves here that were denied by Mr. Hsiung to hear from me, they can not speak here, their dreams have ended, but I will continue to try to post here what has been revealed to me that I think could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions while anti-Semitic propaganda is allowed to be seen here as being supportive and will be in Mr. Hsiung's thinking good for this community as a whole.
You can think that Judaism as revealed to me is bull---, and what you wrote could be seen as being supportive here. But just because it is bull--- to you, does not mean that it is bull--- to others. What you have posted about me here could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held, and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions of me. But it has been revealed to me that
Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 11:32:13
In reply to Lou's reply-ahntyjudehyzum » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 10:02:47
Lou, I don't mind that you have an anti-drug stance, but I do object when you put it in a religious context. I personally find your religion and others like it incredibly egocentric, childish, and quite frankly an insult to the human intelligence. That you come onto this board to peddle your personal view of the world when most here are so vulnerable is, to say the least, very poor form. I, too, have my beliefs, but I am not about to try to use other people's suffering as a foothold for religious proselytising.
Posted by phidippus on December 10, 2014, at 14:05:32
In reply to Lou on this board is so damn right about everythin, posted by Jeroen on December 8, 2014, at 13:14:52
Great, now Lou has followers...
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2014, at 17:12:02
In reply to Re: Great, now Lou has followers... » Jeroen, posted by phidippus on December 10, 2014, at 14:05:32
No I don't believe he does. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:04:11
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ahntyjudehyzum, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 11:32:13
> Lou, I don't mind that you have an anti-drug stance, but I do object when you put it in a religious context. I personally find your religion and others like it incredibly egocentric, childish, and quite frankly an insult to the human intelligence. That you come onto this board to peddle your personal view of the world when most here are so vulnerable is, to say the least, very poor form. I, too, have my beliefs, but I am not about to try to use other people's suffering as a foothold for religious proselytising.
Guy, you wrote,
It is written here,[...your religion (Judaism)...(is) an insult to the human intelligence...].
By that I can not see what criteria that you used, if any, to make such a claim, a subset of readers could have hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. These could be those that think that if a statement is not sanctioned here, that it is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole because they have seen that Mr. Hsiung has posted that in his thinking being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times.
The fact that you think that Judaism is an insult to the human intelligence, does not mean that it is true that Jews and others think that about Judaism. But be it as it may be, what you have written about the Jews stands here today so that not just me but all Jews that read this here by you, (redacted by respondent).
But it is much more than that. For by any others following your thought, they could reject the opportunity that I could give them to be free from addiction and live by accepting what I could post here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that could have freed them if what you have posted about Judaism was not able to be seen as being supportive here.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 19:26:36
In reply to Lou's reply- » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:04:11
Lou, I don't care if you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, religion has no place on this medication forum. Why don't you try Psycho-Babble Social and see who you can influence there? And no, if you read my post carefully, I did not single out the Jews but, rather, religion in general. I have no use for belief systems that are based on divine intervention and a glorious afterlife (but only for believers). I think you have a persecution complex.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:41:38
In reply to Lou's reply- » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:04:11
> > Lou, I don't mind that you have an anti-drug stance, but I do object when you put it in a religious context. I personally find your religion and others like it incredibly egocentric, childish, and quite frankly an insult to the human intelligence. That you come onto this board to peddle your personal view of the world when most here are so vulnerable is, to say the least, very poor form. I, too, have my beliefs, but I am not about to try to use other people's suffering as a foothold for religious proselytising.
>
> Guy, you wrote,
> It is written here,[...your religion (Judaism)...(is) an insult to the human intelligence...].
> By that I can not see what criteria that you used, if any, to make such a claim, a subset of readers could have hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. These could be those that think that if a statement is not sanctioned here, that it is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole because they have seen that Mr. Hsiung has posted that in his thinking being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times.
> The fact that you think that Judaism is an insult to the human intelligence, does not mean that it is true that Jews and others think that about Judaism. But be it as it may be, what you have written about the Jews stands here today so that not just me but all Jews that read this here by you, (redacted by respondent).
> But it is much more than that. For by any others following your thought, they could reject the opportunity that I could give them to be free from addiction and live by accepting what I could post here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that could have freed them if what you have posted about Judaism was not able to be seen as being supportive here.
> LouGuy,
You wrote,[...You come into this board to peddle your personal views of the world...].
What I could post here is free and without price and I have not ever asked anyone for money here. A subset of readers could think that your intent is to slander Judaism by using similar propaganda used in anti-Semitic European Fascism. These are the readers that know of the false depiction of Jews in anti-Semitic propaganda of Jews stereotyping Jews as trying to get money from people's suffering. I am here to offer a way to end people's suffering from addiction and withdrawal and be free from getting life-ruining conditions from the drugs that the psychiatrist has given them.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:53:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 19:26:36
> Lou, I don't care if you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, religion has no place on this medication forum. Why don't you try Psycho-Babble Social and see who you can influence there? And no, if you read my post carefully, I did not single out the Jews but, rather, religion in general. I have no use for belief systems that are based on divine intervention and a glorious afterlife (but only for believers). I think you have a persecution complex.
Guy,
You wrote,[...I did not single out the Jews...]
A subset of readers could think that is a lie. They have a rational basis to think that because you wrote,[..YOUR religion...](caps mine), and those readers could understand the grammatical structure to not annul the fact that my religion is Judaism which is the "your". As to Judaism being in a subset of religions that have an afterlife and such, that does not annul the fact that you wrote,{your} religion as connected to human intelligence in the terms that I object to here.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2014, at 20:25:44
In reply to Lou's reply-dephaymjuz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 19:53:43
Lou you aren't accusing Guy of not telling the truth? I know you would not do this. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 20:59:44
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dephaymjuz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on December 10, 2014, at 20:25:44
> Lou you aren't accusing Guy of not telling the truth? I know you would not do this. Phillipa
P,
It is not what I think here that is of importance to me, but what the average reader here could think. And I think that they have a rational basis to think as to what is in question here.
It is no great honor for me to respond to what is written here about the Jews for this site could reach every home with internet access and funnel the winds of hatred toward the Jews through the communities that receive this. This is because those winds can gather strength as children read this here and could think that a psychiatrist is validating what is said here about Judaism as they could think that what is written is supportive and will be in his thinking good for this community as a whole. And if it could be good for this community as a whole, those readers that think that a psychiatrist has credibility, could think that what is said about the Jews here will be good for their community as a whole also.
So let it be with Guy. I come to defend the Jews, not to accuse Guy. What Guy writes could live after him, but there is IMHO the potential for Jews that could be harmed from what he wrote as long as what he wrote about Judaism could be seen as supportive here. I can not hold back the winds, or still the raging sea. But someone greater than me could do that.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 21:05:21
In reply to Lou's reply-wyndzofheyt, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 20:59:44
Lou, aside from having a severe reading comprehension problem (I clearly wrote "your religion and others like it".), you seem to be suffering from delusions. Might I recommend some meds?
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 21:30:19
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-wyndzofheyt, posted by Guy on December 10, 2014, at 21:05:21
> Lou, aside from having a severe reading comprehension problem (I clearly wrote "your religion and others like it".), you seem to be suffering from delusions. Might I recommend some meds?
G,
You wrote,[...your religion and others like it...]
A reasonable reader could think that my religion (Judaism) is included, not excluded. I base this on the fact that when a member of a subset is mentioned as a member of that set, it is not excluded from the set of members.
But it is much more than that, for the other religions are also included in what you wrote about Judaism ("Your religion") and the others that could have Islamic people think that what you wrote insults Islam. And Christianity as well, for that religion includes divine intervention and an after life also. Then there are the non-Abrahamic faiths also that have an afterlife.
So I do not think that readers have to be an "A" student to see that {"your religion"} is grouped with other similar religions that all are said by you as what you said. You said what you said, it is as it is. If you did not want to include Judaism, you could not have wrote {your} religion and others like it. The other religions are {like} Judaism, but that does not mean that Judaism is not included as a religion that has to do with human intelligence as you state here.
Let there be no misunderstanding here. You used {human intelligence]. That could be all humans, for there is not specified which humans. If you could explain that, I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 11, 2014, at 18:09:59
In reply to Lou's reply-alhumnz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 10, 2014, at 21:30:19
Lou, I come to this forum to learn about personal experiences with medications, and hopefully, to obtain advice about pharmaceutical treatments for my problems. Please take your hocus pocus and go away.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2014, at 18:48:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-alhumnz, posted by Guy on December 11, 2014, at 18:09:59
> Lou, I come to this forum to learn about personal experiences with medications, and hopefully, to obtain advice about pharmaceutical treatments for my problems. Please take your hocus pocus and go away.
Guy,
You wrote,[...take your hocus pocus...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
True or false:
A. All Abrahamic religions are hocus pocus
B. divine intervention is hocus pocus
C. Eternal life in Paradise is hocus pocus
D. For one to be raised from the dead is hocus pocus
E. That there is a creator of the universe is hocus pocus
Lou
Posted by Guy on December 12, 2014, at 19:06:10
In reply to Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2014, at 18:48:45
Lou, can't you see that all your childish fantasies about divine intervention and an eternal life in paradise are but a mirror image of your own innermost fears--the ones that have to do with abandonment, death and personal extinction? Why can't you accept that humans--aside from their incredible destructiveness-- share no special status among living organisms? Science tells us that the earth is four and a half billion years old, and everything you see about you (including yourself) was born of molten lava and toxic gases. We are all one in nature and all share the same destiny whether we be rock, moss, flowers or frogs.
Anyway, back to my initial bone of contention. I believe you have absolutely no understanding of suicidality and nothing to offer anyone on this board except crazy religious notions such as the fear of eternal damnation. Please give us all a break and take your nonsense elsewhere.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:06:29
In reply to Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz » Guy, posted by Lou Pilder on December 11, 2014, at 18:48:45
It is almost entertaining to watch this.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:14:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:06:29
I know a subset of readers could think this or that, but i find it amusing :)
Yet, still distressing.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2014, at 10:41:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:14:35
> I know a subset of readers could think this or that, but i find it amusing :)
>
> Yet, still distressing.L,
What is amusing and what is still distressing?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 13, 2014, at 10:43:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hoekuzpoekuz, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2014, at 7:06:29
> It is almost entertaining to watch this.
L,
What is entertaining here (almost)?
Lou
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