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Posted by laurah952 on July 4, 2013, at 9:58:46
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
Laura forgive yourself. Luckily Taylor has a therapist she feels comfortable to talk too. Also for me Cymbalta did work for pain for me. Only took for two months 60mgs. I should have stayed on it as only when went off it did I realize had back pain. Phillipa
Hi Phillipa,
I'm working on it. Yes, Taylor has established an excellent rapport with her therapist.
I ran out of Cymbalta 60mg a while ago, (darn those snail mail prescription pharmacies) and although back on track for maybe 2 weeks, I don't think it's enough for the depression. As for the pain, Lyrica does the job for me.
Thank you - Laura
Posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 19:30:31
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
All these are experiences from people writing about a Med that stopped working for them. It seems like any type of ,medicine could stop working for anyone.
In my situation, 2 meds that had a benefit on me from the beginning of taking them were Adderall and Mirapex. They helped for a bit over a month and then stopped working. When they stopped working, my mental condition became much worse than before I started taking the medicine.
Remember, the human brain is probably the most complicated thing in the universe. I believe anything can be expected when
attempting to do amateur work on it with a man-made pill based on a hypothesis about what is causing the flaw in emotional functioning.http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/Cymbalta-not-working-anymore/show/1339041
http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php?/topic/17405-zoloft-saved-me-then-it-stopped-working/
http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php?topic=27404.0
http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-conditions/ritalin-stopped-working-help-plz-43128.html
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 6, 2013, at 8:12:32
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 19:30:31
If shes truly classically bipolar, why not lithium and lamictal?
Posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by Lamdage22 on July 6, 2013, at 8:12:32
> If shes truly classically bipolar, why not lithium and lamictal?
Hi,
From what we've seen, she may have bi-polar II. I don't see manic highs, and her depression is pretty well controlled right now.
She does have some trouble sleeping, eating, and she states that her moods cycle mildly all day. The most severe cycling of moods happened when Seroquel was tapered. (IMO, too quickly) She remains on 25mg Seroquel (w/ the Zoloft 100) and hasn't been officially diagnosed w/ bi-polar yet. But that's the definition of bi-polar II, yes? Mood swings?
My own pdoc stated, when I mentioned my daughter, that if there are mood swings, there's definitely bi-polar to some degree. Would that be a true statement?
Thanks - Laura
Posted by SLS on July 6, 2013, at 12:47:43
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lamdage22, posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
> she states that her moods cycle mildly all day
> but that's the definition of bi-polar II, yes? Mood swings?
More likely - cyclothymia - especially at her age.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on July 9, 2013, at 8:13:15
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lamdage22, posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
I've heard that depression in teens can take the form of mood swings. That depressed teens aren't necessarily depressed all the time. That they can feel ok, and then have bouts of feeling really depressed - sometimes for no reason at all. All within the same day.
Maybe it has something to do with hormonal instability of adolescence?
If the highs aren't really all that high, it might not actually mean bipolar. A good adolescent psychiatrist is probably the best person to keep an eye on it, and tell the difference. Especially if there's a strong family history.
My own memory of adolescent depression was one of constant misery. But it might just be that that's what I remember.
Posted by laurah952 on July 11, 2013, at 11:29:49
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Dinah on July 9, 2013, at 8:13:15
> I've heard that depression in teens can take the form of mood swings. That depressed teens aren't necessarily depressed all the time. That they can feel ok, and then have bouts of feeling really depressed - sometimes for no reason at all. All within the same day.
>
> Maybe it has something to do with hormonal instability of adolescence?
>
> If the highs aren't really all that high, it might not actually mean bipolar. A good adolescent psychiatrist is probably the best person to keep an eye on it, and tell the difference. Especially if there's a strong family history.
>
> My own memory of adolescent depression was one of constant misery. But it might just be that that's what I remember.Hi,
I've certainly considered that, and hope that it's the cause or part of the cause of her depression/mood swings. Her inability to stop cutting, and her all consuming thoughts and secret plans of fail proof suicide made me think otherwise, however, she is now much happier, outgoing, and hasn't cut in weeks. She has a new child pdoc, and I don't think I will add anymore meds to her zoloft (she'll be off seroquel soon) and we'll see how she does. If she holds steady with only minor mood swings (which could be normal adolescent moods) we may taper off zoloft slowly. I have 2 older girls who went through this (not to the same degree) at the same age, and they're fine now. (only 1 was medicated for a short time) I just have to wait and watch her closely.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on June 28, 2013, at 22:42:57
> > > Apparently, you continue to be given the posting privileges that allow you to express on this forum your opinions.
> > >
> > > I reset the subject line.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > I suggest babbler's petition Dr. Bob to revoke his posting privledges.
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> Thank you Scott - I'm just... well, there aren't words - If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back. I came here for help, and I'm being called a murderer - my own child... just sickens me...
>
> Laura
>Laurah and friends,
Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing. Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants, which are new-borns. There is not a new-born in this discussion here, so the word has nothing to do with the poster. What was in question is Mr Hsiung' TOS here that states that he wants readers to try to trust him in that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. That statement is thousands of years old and was used by those States that had infanticide as their policy. They argued that by killing infants at birth that they thought would be a hardship to them, that in the future their state would be better. They argued that they were doing what {will be} good for their community as a whole. It is this argument that history records that I am prevented from posting about here due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying. These tactics are as ancient as infanticide. I know what they are and I do not want you to be misled in believeing that my efforts to save lives here should in any way be discrded by you when you see lies about me and what is said about me here. Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number, and the death toll will increase as the advertising of these drugs increses,if more people will be persuaded to take them. And worse than that, I am prevented by Mr Hsiung's prohibitions to me here to post what IMHHHHO could save your life and the lives of children. By this information from me being supressed, readers here can not be informed by me with the facts that I could post here if there were not the prohibitions. This could lead to a more uninformed population here, and it could then lead to an indictrination where readers are uninformed of what I could reveal to them. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed.
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 8:00:53
In reply to Lou's response-phalz » laurah952, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
Lou Pilder garners the respect that he deserves as the result of the words he posts.
> Laurah and friends,
> Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
> Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing.Where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?
"Lou's response-ihnphanticyde » laurah952 Lou Pilder 6/28/13"
ihnphanticyde = infanticide?
You directed this message to laurah952.
> Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
Yes. This is the risk anyone runs whenever they post a message.
> The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants
This is disinformation designed to cover-up your uncivil behavior. The word "infanticide" can apply to a single person. That not withstanding, you changed the subject line to inject your name and a poorly-encrypted representation of this word and directed this message towards laurah952. Her conclusion that you were directing the word "infanticide" at her personally was perfectly reasonable.
> Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying.
Yes. I occasionally like to use one's own words against them as a tactic.
> These tactics are as ancient as infanticide.
This sentence is just another tactic on your part designed to obfuscate the fact that you directed the letter sequence, "ihnphanticyde", towards laurah952 specifically.
As usual, you use the 42,000 number to infer cause and effect. Your statements are always successfully refuted in this forum.
You have demonstrated once again that your apologies are disingenuous.
"Lou's apology- Lou PIlder 6/29/13"
Perhaps you can direct your apology to laurah952 personally.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
In reply to 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 8:00:53
> Lou Pilder garners the respect that he deserves as the result of the words he posts.
>
> > Laurah and friends,
> > Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
> > Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing.
>
> Where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?
>
> "Lou's response-ihnphanticyde » laurah952 Lou Pilder 6/28/13"
>
> ihnphanticyde = infanticide?
>
> You directed this message to laurah952.
>
> > Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
>
> Yes. This is the risk anyone runs whenever they post a message.
>
> > The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants
>
> This is disinformation designed to cover-up your uncivil behavior. The word "infanticide" can apply to a single person. That not withstanding, you changed the subject line to inject your name and a poorly-encrypted representation of this word and directed this message towards laurah952. Her conclusion that you were directing the word "infanticide" at her personally was perfectly reasonable.
>
> > Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying.
>
> Yes. I occasionally like to use one's own words against them as a tactic.
>
> > These tactics are as ancient as infanticide.
>
> This sentence is just another tactic on your part designed to obfuscate the fact that you directed the letter sequence, "ihnphanticyde", towards laurah952 specifically.
>
> As usual, you use the 42,000 number to infer cause and effect. Your statements are always successfully refuted in this forum.
>
> You have demonstrated once again that your apologies are disingenuous.
>
> "Lou's apology- Lou PIlder 6/29/13"
>
> Perhaps you can direct your apology to laurah952 personally.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Scott wrote,[...where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?...].
The word infanticide concerns the killing of *infants*, usually at birth. An infant is not the subjet ot the thread involved.
If someone does not understand what a word means, that is something that is of another aspect here. I apologise for anyone that is ignorant of the meaning of the word as to if they thought erroneously about it in this case, for it was not my intention for the word to fall on those minds that were ignorant of the meaning of the word. I was not directing the coded word to anyone, for it is a code for my cataloging of posts here. It belongs in the aspect of that I am prevented from posting here what IMHHHO could save lives and the lives of children due to the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung. His argument is that what he does {will be} good for this community as a whole as in his TOS here. That is the same argument used by states to commit infanticide. As to if or if not infanticide was good for that state that practiced it, the children still were killed. I value life as a higher priority that if what Mr Hsiung does here will be good for this community as a whole. And I will fight the good fight myself if I have to, for children and adults to have all the facts known to them so that they do not have to blindly follow the leader in the hope that the community will be better by trusting someone that supresses my speech, speech that I think could mark the difference between life and death if the prohibitions were not made to me here. Good for the community as a whole? I want it to be good for the child and the adult, and for the child to live, and for the adult to live, and I think THAT wikll be good for this community as a whole, my friends.We do not know in the future as to what Mr Hsiung does here will or will not be good for this community as a whole. Time will be the judge of that. And what good could come to this site if one child, or one adult, dies from these drugs promoted here and could have lived if they were allowed to hear me?
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 12:27:55
In reply to Lou's reply-gudphoarhu? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
Oops. I apologize. Good for you. You got me on the word "infanticide" as it applies to the initiator of this thread. It was a lapse of logic on my part. A 14 year old is obviously not an infant. It is interesting that most people reacted the way she and I did. Unfortunately, I am too conditioned by you so as to expect that your posts will exaggerate, over-generalize, accuse, and promote disinformation.
I'll try to be more careful.
> "Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number"
Next time, perhaps you could properly quote the verbiage used by your source and cite the webpage on which it appears so that we can examine its content. It has been awhile since I looked at it. I could then respond accordingly.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 14:02:18
In reply to Lou's reply-gudphoarhu? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
Quoting Mercola is not sufficient. You need to supply the scientific evidence that Mercola uses to support his pronouncements.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:30:52
In reply to Lou's response-phalz » laurah952, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing. Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
Really?? Are we still on this? You put the term "infanticide" right next to my name when you changed the thread header. You're a mean-spirited moron for that... no matter the meaning (and we all know what it means anyway) Do you have nothing else to do?????I just have to laugh when you say that I could harm your reputation, or decrease the respect or regard to which you believe you're held. I don't believe that's possible.. Leave me the hell alone.
Posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:33:43
In reply to 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 8:00:53
> Lou Pilder garners the respect that he deserves as the result of the words he posts.
>
> > Laurah and friends,
> > Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
> > Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing.
>
> Where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?
>
> "Lou's response-ihnphanticyde » laurah952 Lou Pilder 6/28/13"
>
> ihnphanticyde = infanticide?
>
> You directed this message to laurah952.
>
> > Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
>
> Yes. This is the risk anyone runs whenever they post a message.
>
> > The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants
>
> This is disinformation designed to cover-up your uncivil behavior. The word "infanticide" can apply to a single person. That not withstanding, you changed the subject line to inject your name and a poorly-encrypted representation of this word and directed this message towards laurah952. Her conclusion that you were directing the word "infanticide" at her personally was perfectly reasonable.
>
> > Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying.
>
> Yes. I occasionally like to use one's own words against them as a tactic.
>
> > These tactics are as ancient as infanticide.
>
> This sentence is just another tactic on your part designed to obfuscate the fact that you directed the letter sequence, "ihnphanticyde", towards laurah952 specifically.
>
> As usual, you use the 42,000 number to infer cause and effect. Your statements are always successfully refuted in this forum.
>
> You have demonstrated once again that your apologies are disingenuous.
>
> "Lou's apology- Lou PIlder 6/29/13"
>
> Perhaps you can direct your apology to laurah952 personally.
>
>
> - ScottWell said, Scott, and thank you - Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:38:44
In reply to 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 12:27:55
> "Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number"
Prove it, Moron
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 16:57:53
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » SLS, posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:38:44
> > "Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number"
>
> Prove it, MoronUnfortunately, Lou Pilder is too clever to be a moron.
Lou Pilder is frustrating to interact with. I would also like to see him prove his assertion. So far, all of his previous attempts to use this pseudofact have failed. It does get tiresome, though, to put out the same fires each and every day in the way Dr. Bob would have us do. If I knew that no one were to be hurt or deceived by Lou Pilder, I wouldn't really give a damn what he wrote.
Laura, I do hope that you decide to continue posting on Psycho-Babble. I guess we both need time to cool-off. You are intelligent, deliberative, and very likeable, and make for pleasant conversation. Perhaps you would find the Social forum appealing.
How is Taylor doing?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 19:51:52
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » SLS, posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:38:44
> Prove it...
By the way, I understood that your remark was not directed towards me. No worries.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on July 18, 2013, at 20:14:55
In reply to Lou's reply-gudphoarhu? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
Are you calling myself and others ignorant? I take offense at this. Phillipa
Posted by laurah952 on July 19, 2013, at 9:08:06
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 16:57:53
> > > "Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number"
> >
> > Prove it, Moron
>
> Unfortunately, Lou Pilder is too clever to be a moron.
>
> Lou Pilder is frustrating to interact with. I would also like to see him prove his assertion. So far, all of his previous attempts to use this pseudofact have failed. It does get tiresome, though, to put out the same fires each and every day in the way Dr. Bob would have us do. If I knew that no one were to be hurt or deceived by Lou Pilder, I wouldn't really give a damn what he wrote.
>
> Laura, I do hope that you decide to continue posting on Psycho-Babble. I guess we both need time to cool-off. You are intelligent, deliberative, and very likeable, and make for pleasant conversation. Perhaps you would find the Social forum appealing.
>
> How is Taylor doing?
>
>
> - ScottI wanted to post that Taylor is doing well, and then saw this still on-going debate. Lou may be a clever man in many ways, but it is my opinion that one who "posts that he cannot post" over and over again, pulling "statistics" from nowhere, is in my opinion, (and at best) ridiculously redundant for doing so. I lost my filter, and apologize for name calling; it's just not necessary.
To the matter at hand - Taylor saw a new adolescent pdoc, and her official diagnosis is that of bi-polar disorder II. I really don't see mania in her, just normal happy and then a little down right now. She's not stuffing her feelings anymore, and is expressing anger/frustration in a healthy way. Her thoughts of suicide are fleeting, and do not occur every day as they used to. She's happy, but doesn't like herself. She will continue with intensive therapy.
The pdoc took her off Zoloft starting today, and gave her prozac for a few days to help with any withdrawal symptoms. She will maintain the 25 mg. Seroquel, follow up next week, and procede from there. It is my hope to have her off meds completely, or on a small dose of a mood stabilizer if needed. We shall see.
Thanks,
Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2013, at 5:57:08
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » SLS, posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:38:44
> > "Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number"
>
> Prove it, MoronFriends,
It is written here,[...prove it, M*r*n..]
Be advised that whatever is being said about my character here, does not mean that it is true. I am not a m*r*n.
Be advised that I am prevented to post here what I would like to in a response to what I am said to be here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. If you are trying to make a more informed decision as to drug or not either yourself or one that you have responsibility for, such as a child or a parent, be advised that the number 42,000 is a {generally accepted} number of those killed by psychiatric drugs last year alone and you can do a Google search,[psychiatric drugs, deaths, 42000] and see all the pages upon pages of reports that use that number of people killed last year alone from these drugs.
Friends, I am trying to save lives here and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. If you are swayed by what is written here about me so that you think that these drugs will not harm you or kill you or addict you, or anyone in your control, then I feel sad. This is all because it could be thought to be supportive here for what is written about my character because support takes precedence here, and if there is allowed to stand statements about me, then you could think that it is supportive here for what the statement purports. But I say to you, seek the truth while it can be found and you can make your own decision as to if I am a M*r*n or not.
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 28, 2013, at 6:57:47
In reply to Lou's response-Moarohn?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2013, at 5:57:08
> be advised that the number 42,000 is a {generally accepted} number of those killed by psychiatric drugs
At one point, it was generally accepted that the world was flat.
The 42,000 appears to be a pseudofact gone viral. It's like a rumor. More and more people on the Internet rely on it in their writings without knowing its source. Apparently, there is no data source nor scientific study to scrutinize this assertion. Whatever the number, sadly, some percentage of deaths associated with antidepressants involves suicide. Psychotropic drugs are often chosen for suicide because they are convenient.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 28, 2013, at 6:59:58
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Moarohn?, posted by SLS on July 28, 2013, at 6:57:47
> be advised that the number 42,000 is a {generally accepted} number of those killed by psychiatric drugs
At one point, it was generally accepted that the world was flat.
The 42,000 appears to be a pseudofact gone viral. It's like a rumor. More and more people on the Internet rely on it in their writings without knowing its source. Apparently, there is no data source nor scientific study to scrutinize this assertion. Whatever the number, sadly, some percentage of deaths associated with antidepressants involves suicide. Psychotropic drugs are often chosen for suicide because they are convenient.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 28, 2013, at 7:04:23
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » SLS, posted by laurah952 on July 19, 2013, at 9:08:06
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2013, at 7:59:31
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Moarohn?, posted by SLS on July 28, 2013, at 6:57:47
> > be advised that the number 42,000 is a {generally accepted} number of those killed by psychiatric drugs
>
> At one point, it was generally accepted that the world was flat.
>
> The 42,000 appears to be a pseudofact gone viral. It's like a rumor. More and more people on the Internet rely on it in their writings without knowing its source. Apparently, there is no data source nor scientific study to scrutinize this assertion. Whatever the number, sadly, some percentage of deaths associated with antidepressants involves suicide. Psychotropic drugs are often chosen for suicide because they are convenient.
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...The 42000 appears to be a pseudofact...without knowing its source...Apparently, there is no data source nor scientific study to scrutinize this assertion...].
Be advised that the 42000 deaths just last year alone is a number that is generally accepted because of a great amount of research done to arrive at this number. The number of deaths is just for those that were killed by the drugs in the U.S. last year. Each country could report its own number of deaths from psychiatric drugs.
Here is one research article that only covers deaths from psychiatric drugs from sudden deaths related to cardiac events. Then there is research in relation to deaths from these drugs by other means.
Lou
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3349287
Posted by laurah952 on July 28, 2013, at 9:18:50
In reply to Lou's response-Moarohn?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2013, at 5:57:08
Friends, I am trying to save lives here and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions.
Lou, perhaps you are trying to help in your own way, but have you considered it even remotely possible that in any way someone severely depressed or psychotic and highly suicidal may have read your posts, regarded them as absolute truth, and terrified them into avoiding psychiatric medications, only to end up not seeking help at all? What might that have done to someone who really needed to see a psychiatrist? Could they have committed suicide, believing that there is no help for them? (as you state that you are not permitted to tell anyone what "help" you believe is out there.)
I believe that it's important for people to be educated about the possible side effects of psychiatric medications, but to scare them out of their minds, offering no other alternative, is just downright dangerous, especially on this forum.
I apologize for calling you a moron, but I do believe that when you post, you are lacking in judgement. I don't believe I hurt your character, but rather my own.
- Laura
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