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Posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
OD on medication.
it seems the people i've med that have tried to od on meds are either in the hosp for a while and release perfectly fine, or are in a rehab facility either on life support or severe brain damage.
either way no death.it is most likely that we'll "f" ourselves up worse with drugs than another method?
Posted by bipolar11 on January 26, 2012, at 14:48:29
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
I tried to OD on meds twice and both times failed.... I slept for a day or two the first time and woke up fine... the second time I was in the ICU unit at the hospital and was fine... both times, I was fine... I understand its very hard to OD on medications, especially the newer ones...
bps
Posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2012, at 18:00:32
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
B2Chica I still say call your pdoc please? Phillipa
Posted by papillon2 on January 26, 2012, at 19:17:09
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » b2chica, posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2012, at 18:00:32
That's one of my greatest fears, actually. Deciding to attempt suicide again, but having my chosen method cause irreparable damage without finishing me off.
Can you imagine - being depressed as hell but stuck in a body with brain damage or paraplegia or something and not being able to do anything about it? Yikes.
Posted by phidippus on January 26, 2012, at 19:46:08
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
You can kill yourself ODing on TCAs.
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2012, at 20:55:56
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » b2chica, posted by phidippus on January 26, 2012, at 19:46:08
Eric I wish you hadn't posted this. Phillipa
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 22:18:18
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
Call someone b2, it's important
-sleepy
Posted by papillon2 on January 27, 2012, at 1:10:27
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » phidippus, posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2012, at 20:55:56
Yeah, I wasn't going to mention it... but it is well known and not exactly hard to find out. Still, there's a reason why suicide rates are lower for females than males, even though females attempt suicide in much larger numbers. Overdosing is a low lethality method.
b2chicka, keep fighting. As you have said, "this 'episode' will not last forever, usually a week or so".
Posted by Beckett on January 27, 2012, at 6:32:14
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » b2chica, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 22:18:18
B2c, give someone your meds to someone hold for you.
This question has me concerned. This will pass. Meanwhile, call your pdoc and a friend and update us. Promise not to disappear.
Posted by Beckett on January 27, 2012, at 6:51:02
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
I just read your other post about gabapentin and benzos and not being suicidal. Is that true that you are not suicidal?
I would rather risk sounding pious than not take you or your situation seriously. Whenever alcohol is added, everything gets dicey.
Do what you can to stay safe, okay?
Posted by B2chica on January 27, 2012, at 10:27:48
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » b2chica, posted by Beckett on January 27, 2012, at 6:51:02
i dont mean to concern anyone.
my moods are going in and out due to the amount of meds i'm taking during th day for my anxiety. its through the roof and i'm on gabapentin and then i'm adding xanax.
i've noticed that xanax increases my depresstion big time.
yesterday i was struggling with my PTSD as well.yes yesterday i was searching for a gun, txting my friend, she got so concerned she called police.
i came home to policeman at my door.i talked with him and he was actually very supportive and nice to me.
it helped. i explained only what i needed too.
and promised i'd be safe.i'll tell you the same.
my depression is bad. its the amount of meds i'm taking to help anxiety thats exacerbating the depression.police must have called pdoc cuz at 8am i got a call from him asking me if i was ok.
hes going to try to get me in sooner, wanted to add lamictal. but i think it has to do with my lack of sleeep as well. so hes going to rx sonata. i told him about my history with it and we talked and its ok.so i'll try that till i can meet with him again.
but my depression is not ceasing so i still would like to try nortryptaline (sp?)what would people suggest
lamictal or nortriptaline?b2c.
Posted by B2chica on January 27, 2012, at 15:38:40
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from..., posted by B2chica on January 27, 2012, at 10:27:48
i know my body and i dont think i'd od on tca's i think the amount that i could get ahould of would only put me in a rehab facility with severe brain damage. or life support.
i am not actively suicidal but after last nights visit from the cop it was an awakening that i AM in a depressive state and the i AM having suicidal thoughts. i dont know how serious they are or not.
but i LOVE my babies and dont want to leave them in the hands of the people around them. this keeps me going.
and i have the best pdoc.
if i can get to see him.i do need help....now.
Posted by sigismund on January 27, 2012, at 16:04:44
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from..., posted by B2chica on January 27, 2012, at 15:38:40
>its the amount of meds i'm taking to help anxiety thats exacerbating the depression.
You sound so very anxious. Those quantities of gabapentin, Xanax and Klonopin were so high. I can see what you mean. I always feel best when I can get my benzo use as low as I ever manage to get it. I don't know. All the best hey. You are too close to the edge.
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2012, at 18:49:27
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » B2chica, posted by sigismund on January 27, 2012, at 16:04:44
Where is hubby? Does he know? Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on January 28, 2012, at 3:28:05
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from..., posted by B2chica on January 27, 2012, at 15:38:40
Didn't you also use to take zyprexa? And it was the only thing that worked? Maybe take a little of that and see what happens. Its better than being suicidal and anxious. Even if you have to gain a little weight.
Posted by SLS on January 28, 2012, at 5:46:27
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
> OD on medication.
Interestingly, I have never so much as opened a book or clicked on a hyperlink to research how to go about committing suicide. So far, I have not permitted myself to reach so close to performing the act. How to go about committing suicide is not knowledge that I require today. Maybe tomorrow - but not today.
> either on life support or severe brain damage.
Yes. This thought has always been a big factor in my deciding not to commit suicide - especially when I could find no other rationales for remaining alive.
I don't judge you for anything that you think, feel, or do. It would not be human to not consider suicide in the face of such pain and debilitation. I am no stronger than you in this regard. I guess I must be human, too.
To judge your words, I would guess that you are not actively suicidal at this moment. I hope that I am not wrong about this.
* Question:
What is it that is occurring in your mind most recently that has you contemplating suicide?
- Scott
Posted by bleauberry on January 28, 2012, at 8:46:19
In reply to is it even possible to die from..., posted by b2chica on January 26, 2012, at 14:17:26
If someone wants to kill themself, I think overdosing on meds is probably one of the more unreliable ways to do it.
Posted by phidippus on January 28, 2012, at 15:48:31
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » phidippus, posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2012, at 20:55:56
Why not?
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on January 28, 2012, at 18:54:02
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » Phillipa, posted by phidippus on January 28, 2012, at 15:48:31
Not a good idea. Phillipa
Posted by b2chica on February 1, 2012, at 8:09:26
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from. ** Trigger ** » b2chica, posted by SLS on January 28, 2012, at 5:46:27
i have in the past worked with people with TBI in rehab facility. most from accidents but one from gunshot wound and one from meds one from carbon monoxide.
they were so severely effected i can't even fathom the idea of doing that to myself now with my kids. having one more person to morn that is not even dead, and the expense.even if i get actively suicidal i just can't CANT leave my amazing girls alone in this world without my guidance. they and they alone are my saving grace.
but i got to that point the other day 1)too many relaxing meds 2)i really thought i found my perfect mix of meds that worked. just one year of happiness. and the thought of being what i used to be like in front of my children was too much.i think contemplating suicide used to be an 'out' for me when things got too hard.
it used to also be at times not so much the death but the transcendence.
it also used to be (mostly) to end this terrible terrible ache and suffering both in my heart and in my mind.*****
i left work monday as work seemed to be making things worse not to mention i wasn't able to do my job. i stayed home yesterday as well. i stayed in bed, mostly sleeping from 10:30 till 6pm. then went to bed at 9.heard from pdoc mon night after i txt'd him. he was going to research some meds and call me yesterdayhe did not. i mentioned nortryptiline (or however you spell it) and i actually really want to try that one.
this always starts with uncontrollable anxiety.
if only i could control that without being super doped up.thanks Scott.
Posted by b2chica on February 1, 2012, at 8:13:59
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » B2chica, posted by Zyprexa on January 28, 2012, at 3:28:05
it will probably come to that. but i want to give a few more drugs a chance.
i gained it so fast last time. 12lbs in 2 weeks.for the first time in like three years i went out and bought new wardrobe. even spent like 150 on 5 pants. i now dont fit in any of them... i spent all that money for nothing. at least now i have a chance of getting back down. i've lost 2. i can loose 10 more. i WANT to get back in those pants. most i only wore a couple times! it was one month after i finally felt good enough to go shopping.
i want november back....
i want it back. :(
Posted by Zyprexa on February 2, 2012, at 3:19:02
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » Zyprexa, posted by b2chica on February 1, 2012, at 8:13:59
I've actualy lost 30 lbs in 1.5 years, on a 10-15mg dose just by having an active life style. Part time job working on feet and going to the gym once a week for the past year. And eating sort of healthy and not too much. It can be done. I know about the mad eaties you can get right after the dose. I had that in college 10 years ago. part of the solution is drinking a lot of liquids that don't have calories. My favorite is diet Pepsi Max. I think the caffine helps. Also a 200mg dose of wellbutrin sr helps. They also help with motivation. I've also found you can sleep the weight off. Some times I sleep like 12 hours and lose 5 lbs. lots of veggies too, for hunger and a little food. Oh yes and don't forget the alcohol, makes me feel good and less hungry, plus gets rid of water weight. 3-4 drinks a day. helps with sleep too, makes you fall asleep before munchies kick in. I drink vodka and Diet MDew. The perphenazine also helps sleep before munchies.
Why do you not want to take a lot of perphenazine? I take 12mg x3 day, breakfast, 6 hours later and, 6 more hours later with the zyprexa. I fall asleep 2-3 hours later. I'm not sure but theorize that it helps with weight loss.
Posted by B2chica on February 2, 2012, at 7:29:51
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from..., posted by Zyprexa on February 2, 2012, at 3:19:02
I LOVE pepsi max too.
and my main way of not gaining all the weight is the drinking (both kinds) so yes it can work.
but last tie it did not.
and i have no problem upping my perphenazine. almost wish he would do that.thing is i feel great the frist hour or so i'm away and everyday like clockwork it starts to go down hill, by 10 i'm a mess and it lasts till about 7 at night then start to get a little better.
i'm not like anyone here. it seems that everyone else is terrible in the morning.and it always starts with my anxiety. always.
sometimes i truly wonder why i bother so much with trying to figure things out.
thanks always for your input z.
Posted by Zyprexa on February 3, 2012, at 0:01:15
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » Zyprexa, posted by B2chica on February 2, 2012, at 7:29:51
why not ask the doctor to up the perphenazine? Say maybe 4mg x3 a day.
Posted by SLS on February 3, 2012, at 5:29:41
In reply to Re: is it even possible to die from... » B2chica, posted by Zyprexa on February 3, 2012, at 0:01:15
> why not ask the doctor to up the perphenazine? Say maybe 4mg x3 a day.
That would be the logical move at this point. It is quick. Perphenazine can be calming and help to filter upsetting thoughts. This is certainly a desirable outcome. However, I don't think perphenazine will improve depressed mood or dysphoria like the atypical antpsychotics (AAPs) do. I am currently looking into Latuda for this purpose. To the best of my knowledge, there is no reason why the perphenazine cannot be continued while trying AAPs.
- Scott
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