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Posted by maxime on October 22, 2010, at 23:07:47
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-lhimahcktill, posted by maxime on October 22, 2010, at 22:10:20
Also, I saw that you first started posting on PB around 2002. Back then you responded to peoples questions with well formed and thought out sentences. I didn't agree with all that you wrote, but at least I was able to understand it.
So you have been on PB for 8 years. Why did you change your style of posting? Do you think you could back to posting the way you did back in 2002? Do you want to?
Posted by morgan miller on October 22, 2010, at 23:10:41
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-lhimahcktill, posted by maxime on October 22, 2010, at 22:10:20
Lou, have you thought at all about any of the feedback you are getting regarding your posts? A more personable response is preferred.
And what is lhimahcktill??? Lamictal???
Posted by Phillipa on October 23, 2010, at 0:40:09
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-lhimahcktill, posted by morgan miller on October 22, 2010, at 23:10:41
Codes to remember. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 5:03:27
In reply to Lou's additional response-duhlyhz, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2010, at 21:53:43
> > Friends,
> > If you have read some of the posts about me here, I am requesting that you view the following video. The video shows what may be unbeknownst to some and could IMHO offer more infomation and perhaps you may be able to use it in any furture post concerning posts here directed at me that you may respond to.
> > Lou
> > To see this video;
> > A. pull up google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Becki's Story-stevens]
> > you will see a picture of a lady with a green dress on and was uploaded by sjs survivor
>
> Frinends,
> Here is another video that has infomation that I think could be helpful if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.
> Lou
> To see this video,
> A. pull up google
> B. Type in;
> [youtube, 'Generation RX' Exclusives-Part 1]
> you will see a picture of a crowd...2 min on Nov 24, 2008
> Then there is part 2 and 3 and othersFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. The infomation in the video IMHO could be helpful in any post that you might make here.
Lou
To see this video,
A. pull up google
B. Type in:
[youtube, The CandaceDowning Story]
you will see a pic of a lady the time is 6 min posted on June4, 2008
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 6:22:53
In reply to Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 5:03:27
Lou, I hate to break it to you like this, but... noone gives a shit about your videos!
You say your posting on here has a purpose. Generally, if one wants to do something for a purpose, one devises a strategy that is at least somewhat likely to succeed. Yours isn't. Besides, I find that your position is putting more people's lives in danger than it might save, even if it worked.
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 7:27:36
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-lhimahcktill » Lou Pilder, posted by maxime on October 22, 2010, at 22:02:01
I give up. It's a lost cause.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 8:13:52
In reply to Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 5:03:27
> > > Friends,
> > > If you have read some of the posts about me here, I am requesting that you view the following video. The video shows what may be unbeknownst to some and could IMHO offer more infomation and perhaps you may be able to use it in any furture post concerning posts here directed at me that you may respond to.
> > > Lou
> > > To see this video;
> > > A. pull up google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Becki's Story-stevens]
> > > you will see a picture of a lady with a green dress on and was uploaded by sjs survivor
> >
> > Frinends,
> > Here is another video that has infomation that I think could be helpful if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.
> > Lou
> > To see this video,
> > A. pull up google
> > B. Type in;
> > [youtube, 'Generation RX' Exclusives-Part 1]
> > you will see a picture of a crowd...2 min on Nov 24, 2008
> > Then there is part 2 and 3 and others
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. The infomation in the video IMHO could be helpful in any post that you might make here.
> Lou
> To see this video,
> A. pull up google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, The CandaceDowning Story]
> you will see a pic of a lady the time is 6 min posted on June4, 2008Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. The infomation in the video could be used in any response thatyou post here.
Lou
To see this video,
A. Pull up google
B. Type in;
[Can Antidepressants cause viloence?]
you will see a pic of a lady..time is 10 min posted on May 8, 2017
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 8:32:25
In reply to Lou's additional response-khemimbhall, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 8:13:52
Lou,
If you are considering being a participant in this forum, I am requesting that you communicate with us in a fashion that's commonly used for human interaction, such as words, in sentences that have meaningful content and do not end with a question mark.
Posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 9:58:47
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » Lou Pilder, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 6:22:53
I care about the videos. If lamictal caused the syndrome what is wrong with someone posting about it? Why does everyone on this site have to be pro-medication? Just because you take them and want to feel they are helping? Do you know how many people struggle with them here?
Unless it is an emergency situation medications should not be the first line treatment. Doctors just dole them out like candy so they don't have to spend the extra time with someone and help them get healthy. My wife went to her family doctor once for a mole on her face and came home with two different ssris!
I have been off all my medications for 3 years. Was it easy? Hell no, but guess what? I feel better now than I did on medications for all of those 15 years. I was misdiagnosed, told I was bipolar, depressed, anxious, had OCD, etc., and that I would need to be on meds for the rest of my life. Was it not for a very astute pyschiatrist that encouraged me to grow and take responsibility, eat right, and exercise I would still be on them and relying on them to get me through the day.
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 11:40:16
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » europerep, posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 9:58:47
> I care about the videos. If lamictal caused the syndrome what is wrong with someone posting about it? Why does everyone on this site have to be pro-medication? Just because you take them and want to feel they are helping? Do you know how many people struggle with them here?
>
> Unless it is an emergency situation medications should not be the first line treatment. Doctors just dole them out like candy so they don't have to spend the extra time with someone and help them get healthy. My wife went to her family doctor once for a mole on her face and came home with two different ssris!
>
> I have been off all my medications for 3 years. Was it easy? Hell no, but guess what? I feel better now than I did on medications for all of those 15 years. I was misdiagnosed, told I was bipolar, depressed, anxious, had OCD, etc., and that I would need to be on meds for the rest of my life. Was it not for a very astute pyschiatrist that encouraged me to grow and take responsibility, eat right, and exercise I would still be on them and relying on them to get me through the day.
>See, and these are all great reasons for you to not take meds! Lou's "scare-tactics" of telling us how amphetamines are the most dangerous drug in the world and ADs in general cause hundreds of thousands of deaths each year are just not serious posting. it's not like he posted a link to a video once, and now everyone's complaining. it's all he does. producing "requests"... that's no serious way to contribute to a forum.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 14:04:52
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » europerep, posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 9:58:47
> I care about the videos. If lamictal caused the syndrome what is wrong with someone posting about it? Why does everyone on this site have to be pro-medication? Just because you take them and want to feel they are helping? Do you know how many people struggle with them here?
>
> Unless it is an emergency situation medications should not be the first line treatment. Doctors just dole them out like candy so they don't have to spend the extra time with someone and help them get healthy. My wife went to her family doctor once for a mole on her face and came home with two different ssris!
>
> I have been off all my medications for 3 years. Was it easy? Hell no, but guess what? I feel better now than I did on medications for all of those 15 years. I was misdiagnosed, told I was bipolar, depressed, anxious, had OCD, etc., and that I would need to be on meds for the rest of my life. Was it not for a very astute pyschiatrist that encouraged me to grow and take responsibility, eat right, and exercise I would still be on them and relying on them to get me through the day.johnj1,
You wrote,[...I care about the videos...what is wrong with someone posting...do you know how many...My wife...but guess what? ...was it not for...].
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/health/20100104/msgs/944131.html
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 14:48:54
In reply to Lou's response-dasunovwreychiznez, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 14:04:52
I wish you would respond to everyone's posts and not just the one that likes your videos.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
In reply to Re: Lou's response-dasunovwreychiznez » Lou Pilder, posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 14:48:54
This forum is a place where folks from all walks of life, with a variety of strengths and challenges, different backgrounds, habits, needs, etc. come for information, support, friendship, and community, among other reasons. We're not all going to get along. We're not all going to react the same way to the same posts. We're not all going to agree. We're not all going to have the same styles, abilities, behaviors, and/or habits of communicating. We do not all have the same ability and/or desire to adapt to others' requests.
We DO all, however, have one thing absolutely in common. We are ALL, each and everyone here, ALL WORTHY OF RESPECT as fellow human beings, and, I believe, as fellow travelers on this sometimes painful path to wellness.
I respectfully ask EVERYONE who finds themselves wishing to express something that fails to honor the mutual respect of others here to just stop. STOP! There is too much hate, hurt, and intolerance in this world as it is. PLEASE, let's not add to it in a place that is supposed to be haven of sorts.
If you believe that someone is doing a disservice or harm to others by their posting, I encourage you to bring it up privately, either via the notification system or babblemail to administration. If you think that another point of view needs to be expressed, express it. Contribute positively by adding information to the discussion instead of trying to prevent someone else's opposing point of view. We can only change our own behavior.
I am heartsick when I hear about recent suicides resulting from bullying. I believe we all deserve better, and I challenge the members of this community to be better than that.
Thanks for reading,
gg
Posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 15:39:35
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » johnj1, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 11:40:16
Don't open his threads then! Or how about not watching the videos? Ever think of that? Nope, I didn't think so.
Posted by 10derHeart on October 23, 2010, at 15:45:22
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Bravo, gg, bravo.
You rock and and I feel honored to know you.
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
I am sorry to say that, but for me, this is a so typically American statement, that touts certain values and conceptions, but where I just do not see any link to a concrete situation and how to deal with it. Maybe it's the nature of this forum - I am obviously a very young poster here - but I have the impression that it's preferred to not openly, and perhaps emotionally, discuss a certain subject, but rather try to be all friends in this "haven". I don't think the world works that way. We have a poster who, in my eyes, disrespects other members of this board by treating them like children, with, and I repeat, statements and a general ideology that I consider *dangerous*. This is not something that is solved privately or through babblemail. Since Lou is not a new poster, I guess that those responsible have decided and will stay with their decision to accept his behavior, which is clearly unsocial to me, but I seem to be not alone in being frustrated with this. It's madness to me that there is even a discussion necessary on the point whether the posts Lou carelessly throws into discussions, disregarding any and every question/remark/comment/critic that others point out to him, are valid contributions to this forum. I am more "appalled" by how noone reacts to his behavior than by anything else.
As for the "don't read his posts"-thing. First, his posts are all over the place, but that isn't even the point. The point is not that I disagree with him, although I do of course, but how he destroys actual conversations and discussions, with a detrimental effect for all participants.
Anyhow, I guess I now have said so many things that "accuse" that I will be blocked for quite some time, but at least I spoke my mind.
Posted by Dinah on October 23, 2010, at 16:39:31
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 19:22:35
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » europerep, posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 15:39:35
> Don't open his threads then! Or how about not watching the videos? Ever think of that? Nope, I didn't think so.
I open the posts because I keep thinking that maybe there will be something different for once. But there never is. I don't watch the videos.
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 19:25:36
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » gardenergirl, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
I agree with you on this one.
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 19:57:06
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 19:59:51
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Hi Lou,
I think if you were inclined to share and discuss your story - your personal experience with psychiatric meds - people here might possibly be more receptive to your messages......
take care
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 20:01:48
In reply to To Lou, posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 19:59:51
...in reading your past threads, you just sound like a completely different person now than you were a few years ago...is there something you want to talk about??
Posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 21:01:10
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » gardenergirl, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
> I am sorry to say that, but for me, this is a so typically American statement, that touts certain values and conceptions, but where I just do not see any link to a concrete situation and how to deal with it.
I'm not sure I see exactly what's so "typically American" about my post, nor why that matters, but no worries. I chose not to identify specifically posts that led me to say what I did, because I did not want to accuse anyone of bullying or being unkind or otherwise uncivil by the site's standards. But to be as concrete as I can without doing so, when I put myself in Lou's shoes and read recent posts about him, I felt sad and appalled. If I were Lou, I'd certainly feel put down when reading some of these posts.
I struggle with chronic depression, social anxiety, and ADHD. There are many times when my behavior has been labelled by others as "lazy", "flaky", "self-centered", "moody", and so on. While I can certainly understand how my behaviors might appear this way to others, what bothers me is that there seems to be an assumption that I am *willfully* behaving that way, when in reality, I'm struggling just to function at all. Or it's assumed that I can simply choose to act another, more acceptable way upon command. While I do not claim that I am a slave to my disorders' effects, I also do not *willfully* suffer from them.
My point is this: without being inside Lou or anyone else's head, we can't know why they do the things they do, think the things they think, feel the things they feel. And since this is a mental health site, it's not at all a stretch to infer that folks posting here are more likely to be facing some sort of mental disorder than the general population.
> but I have the impression that it's preferred to not openly, and perhaps emotionally, discuss a certain subject, but rather try to be all friends in this "haven".
That not at all the prevailing wisdom. We all are welcome to disagree and to express disagreement as long as we do so without making statements that could lead others to feel accused or put down. The world may not "work that way", but Dr. Bob states that he expects this site to work that way. We are given the choice to abide or not, and we are made aware of the potential consequences of our choices.
May I suggest that one way to express your disagreement and to perhaps counter any potential "damage: you perceive may arise from other posts, you simply post your own perspective, knowledge, or experience about whatever the topic is. If someone posts that they believe a certain medication is dangerous, and your experience is different, say so. It's up to each of us to weigh all the information we are given and to decide for ourselves what we believe.
Here's an example. I see on the current boards and recall from past experience here that there have been numerous threads where Lou has posted in his usual way, and the discussion seems to go on "around him." The thread does not come to a screeching halt. Some folks acknowledge his post or respond in some way. Some folks don't. See, I'm posting an alternative experience. Your experience is valid for you. Mine is for me. Others may agree with me or with you, with both of us, or have a different experience altogether.
I think that's what makes these forums so valuable--the diversity of experiences, personalities, issues, etc. Take what works for you that you need and leave the rest.gg
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 22:36:10
In reply to Re: To Lou, posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 20:01:48
> ...in reading your past threads, you just sound like a completely different person now than you were a few years ago...is there something you want to talk about??
Good approach. I tried it already and I received no response. :(
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 23:27:27
In reply to Re: To Lou » violette, posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 22:36:10
I didn't realize you were so concerned as it seems parasuicidal behavior might be viewed as much more acceptable, justified, validated, and worthy of sympathy than others' behavior here...
Glad to know I'm not alone in reaching out to others. :)
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