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Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 17:46:47
In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-lng » haddsl, posted by Elroy on July 8, 2005, at 17:29:58
Friends,
I am requesting that you read what is in the following link if you are going to post to this thread.
Lou
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Health/APA_admits_there_is_no_test_for_chemical_imbalance_31128.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 18:05:35
In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-imbal?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 17:46:47
Friends,
If a box comes up without the article, click on what gets you into the site there, and then use the serch feature there with "chemical imbalance". The article is about the 3erd from the last on the page that comes up titled,[...APA admits...]
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2005, at 18:37:21
In reply to the link, posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 18:05:35
Lou I agree with a lot of what you said. When my thyroid became hypo I was put into the hospital because my anxiety was so high. TSH 22. When it was corrected with upping my thyroid I felt better. But the stupid pdoc wanted to show the insurance companies why I needed to be there so he started me on Luvox. For some reason at the time I tolerated it. But I think it was because he also believed in high doses of benzos. So up went ativan with luvox to counteract it . Six milligrams along with chloral hydrate. Now when I was only 22 I did have panic attacks and low dose valium got me out of it but so did moving back to Ct and getting involved with raising 3 kids. I managed to cut the valium down to 2.5mg during nursing school. Actually I changed pdocs and he got me off all meds for a while. Then I moved to VA Beach and kept taking the low dose of xanax I was on ,5 a day. Plus I did drink 3-4beers a night. Fast forward. After the hospitalization I told you about I was advised to go on disability. yes disability. So like an idiot I did. Worst thing I ever did. My self esteem was nursing. I loved it. Now they kept trying to say I was depressed and I was no really bored because I didn't have a purpose. So they kept trying to get me to take AD's SSRI's . I got such bad mental side effects I always stopped them. I didn't stick it out as others do. The minute I stopped them I felt better. Still on benzos. Now I'm trying to decide if I'm really depressed /anxious as no med seems to do a thing for me. Personally I think the pdoc who stopped me from working ruined me. I want to go back to work but as with anything else my mind is afraid. I take low dose luvox, and valium. Experiment my new pdoc says. Don't take the meds if you don't need them. That doc who put me on disability is being investigated for medical malpractic, illegal distribution of controlled substances, and insurance fraud. My son works for the VA and this pdoc is being investigated by the VA too. He's managed to get all the Viet Nam Vets on permanent disability from his PTSD testing. I know this is long and goes off topic, but one last thing. I do believe schizophrenia and bipolar disorder require medications of the psychotropic type, and I've seen little old ladies respond dramatically to AD's. A lot of people used to come into the hospital when their husbands were deployed. A social club. And it got their husbands home. I could never understand how someone who claimed to be suicidal and depressed could be laughing and joking around with staff and other pts before receiving meds. But PBabble is for people with treatment resistant conditions and I believe they are really in distress. I also believe that CBT or some sort of counselling is required in most cases. But fellow PBAbblers I feel your pain. I want you to get well. Only you and your pdoc know what is best for you. Just advocate for yourself. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 18:50:20
In reply to Re: the link » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2005, at 18:37:21
Jan,
You wrote,[...still on benzos...].
Hummmmmmm.Could you clarify asto which benzodiazapine and how much for how long?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2005, at 19:03:00
In reply to Lou's reply to Phillipa-bzd » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2005, at 18:50:20
Sure. Except for the year or so I stopped taking them, I've managed to switch and adjust over the years. Now it's a total of l2.5mg of valium. You see I'm tapering again on my own. You and I are close in age so I'll let you figure out how long. Pretty amazing isn't it? That's why I need to start doing more on my own and get back into life. Babysteps. It's wrong. You and I know it and don't ask c word. I'll tell you anything you want to know in this type dialogue. Love you Lou!
Posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2005, at 19:10:57
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Phillipa-bzd » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2005, at 19:03:00
Lou you know what I mean that Clarify word. And you called me by my real name. That's okay, a lot of others know it too. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by jaamey76 on July 8, 2005, at 20:35:04
In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-lng » haddsl, posted by Elroy on July 8, 2005, at 17:29:58
A friend of mine went to the doc the other day, as he just went through a terrible relationship crumble, I was sad to hear that the Doctor sent him home with anti-depressants. This normally very happy guy is heart-broken, and the drugs will not solve his problems. Heart-break gets better over time, as most of us have probably experienced it at some point. I, on the other hand, can't seem to leave my house without being panic-stricken, and my potential successes in life have been severely compromised due to this terrible infliction. What causes it, I don't know. While I truly believe that at least 50% of people who take anti-deppressants do not need them, and that they would do more harm than good...feeling anxious and depressed constantly could do much more damage to the body in the long run, then the medications that help us. The benefits do outweigh the risks, and it is unfortunate that this anti-psych prejudice exists. I have tried every natural therapy in existence, to the point where I was sleeping with 2 tennis balls under my head.(don't ask) After a solid 10 years of book-reading, psycho-therapy, group therapy, hypnotherapy, church going, bible-reading, psychic readings, dream analysis, vitamin popping, blood type dieting, spiritual cleansing, and meditation, I have learned one thing. I know myself the best. What works for you does not work for me. I've been on Effexor for 6 weeks. Today I went out and got the job I've always wanted. I went grocery shopping. I think I might have even got a hint of a tan. Here's hoping that you all find what you are searching for...a long and happy life. If it is not as long as we want...better to be happy for 30 years, then unhappy for 50.
Posted by Elroy on July 8, 2005, at 21:47:37
In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-lng, posted by jaamey76 on July 8, 2005, at 20:35:04
Amen to that....
Being brainwashed in one direction is just as bad as being brainwashed in the other!
> A friend of mine went to the doc the other day, as he just went through a terrible relationship crumble, I was sad to hear that the Doctor sent him home with anti-depressants. This normally very happy guy is heart-broken, and the drugs will not solve his problems. Heart-break gets better over time, as most of us have probably experienced it at some point. I, on the other hand, can't seem to leave my house without being panic-stricken, and my potential successes in life have been severely compromised due to this terrible infliction. What causes it, I don't know. While I truly believe that at least 50% of people who take anti-deppressants do not need them, and that they would do more harm than good...feeling anxious and depressed constantly could do much more damage to the body in the long run, then the medications that help us. The benefits do outweigh the risks, and it is unfortunate that this anti-psych prejudice exists. I have tried every natural therapy in existence, to the point where I was sleeping with 2 tennis balls under my head.(don't ask) After a solid 10 years of book-reading, psycho-therapy, group therapy, hypnotherapy, church going, bible-reading, psychic readings, dream analysis, vitamin popping, blood type dieting, spiritual cleansing, and meditation, I have learned one thing. I know myself the best. What works for you does not work for me. I've been on Effexor for 6 weeks. Today I went out and got the job I've always wanted. I went grocery shopping. I think I might have even got a hint of a tan. Here's hoping that you all find what you are searching for...a long and happy life. If it is not as long as we want...better to be happy for 30 years, then unhappy for 50.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 23:35:35
In reply to Quitting Effexor - so far, so good, posted by figgycat on July 8, 2005, at 16:14:46
> I'm tapering down very slowly, by "counting beads" ...
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding quitting Effexor to Psycho-Babble Withdrawal. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20050611/msgs/525274.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 23:49:37
In reply to Re: Lou's acceptance of Dr. Hsiung's offer-chmimba, posted by haddsl on July 8, 2005, at 16:31:35
> Do you know if DHEA works for women?
Sorry to interrupt again, but I'd also like to redirect follow-ups regarding DHEA to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20050612/msgs/525285.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 23:53:47
In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-lngtrm?, posted by haddsl on July 8, 2005, at 13:29:39
> This is ridiculous! I feel like the only reason you are here is to badger us and make us feel like we are bad and wrong.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Sometimes it's more "conducive to civic harmony and welfare" just not to reply, or even not to read in the first place.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by lacey2001 on July 9, 2005, at 10:17:21
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hi I am back. I don't know if anyone remembers me. I was on Effexor but wanted to get off to become pregnant. Just to let you know I came off late March and then became pregnant with my 2nd child in May!!
Now that I am done with my pregnancy and nursing, I may try Wellbutrin b/c my sex life has gone out of the window as well as me being in a depression.It stinks b/c I am new to this town and don't really feel comfortable talking to my dr who I don't know that well:(
Posted by carolina on July 9, 2005, at 10:47:13
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by lacey2001 on July 9, 2005, at 10:17:21
> Hi I am back. I don't know if anyone remembers me. I was on Effexor but wanted to get off to become pregnant. Just to let you know I came off late March and then became pregnant with my 2nd child in May!!
> Now that I am done with my pregnancy and nursing, I may try Wellbutrin b/c my sex life has gone out of the window as well as me being in a depression.It stinks b/c I am new to this town and don't really feel comfortable talking to my dr who I don't know that well:(
> hey ur not alone im not new to ft mill and i still dont feel comfortable talking w/ my docs. hopefully things will get better in x-take care
Posted by linkadge on July 9, 2005, at 17:45:43
In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-prmdth?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 7, 2005, at 16:11:16
Whats the point of living a long life, if you're miserable the whole time ??
Linkadge
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2005, at 18:44:34
In reply to Re: please be civil » haddsl, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2005, at 23:53:47
> > This is ridiculous! I feel like the only reason you are here is to badger us and make us feel like we are bad and wrong.
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Sometimes it's more "conducive to civic harmony and welfare" just not to reply, or even not to read in the first place.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobDR. Hsiung,
You wrote in the above,[...or even not to read in the first place...].
Now your statement is to another poster that wrote what you have determined to be unacceptable here in relation to civility in relation to a mental-health internet community.
I am requesting that you consider the following in relation to what you wrote.
A. In,[...not to read...], are you saying that this poster could be better contributing to "civic harmony" if he/she did not read anything that I wrote here? If so ,could you consider the following?
1. Does your own civility code here write that it is uncceptable to tell others not to read what another posted here?
2. If this is so, have you ever written to another poster here to not read someone else's posts here?
3. If your civility code states that it is unacceptable here to tell another not to read someone else's posts,, have you done what you are suggesting to others not to do here?
4. If this is so, why would you want others here not to read what I write?
B. If what you wrote was to suggest that others, or even just that poster, not read what I write here,I feel humiliated by what you wrote.
C. If this is not so, could you write a clarification to this community stating what you do mean if it is different from what there is the potential for what you wrote to mean?
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 9, 2005, at 20:53:31
In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-prmdth?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 7, 2005, at 16:11:16
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...is it proven that not being on antidepressants will lead to a longer life?...].
> I have a great deal of reserch concerning that question and if anyone would like me to give that to them, they can email me at:
> lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> Lou
It has been proven that being on antidepressants can lead to a longer life under a variety of different circumstances.I have done a great deal of research concerning that question too. Instead of my producing hand-selected links and literature to influence your way of thinking, I would instead invite people interested in this issue to research the matter for themselves using the Internet or visiting a library.
- Scott
Posted by carolina on July 9, 2005, at 22:43:49
In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Me too, posted by SLS on July 9, 2005, at 20:53:31
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...is it proven that not being on antidepressants will lead to a longer life?...].
> > I have a great deal of reserch concerning that question and if anyone would like me to give that to them, they can email me at:
> > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > Lou
>
>
> It has been proven that being on antidepressants can lead to a longer life under a variety of different circumstances.
>
> I have done a great deal of research concerning that question too. Instead of my producing hand-selected links and literature to influence your way of thinking, I would instead invite people interested in this issue to research the matter for themselves using the Internet or visiting a library.
>
>
> - Scott
>
i agree w/ u
Posted by gardenergirl on July 9, 2005, at 23:44:49
In reply to Lou's response to Dr. Hsiung's post-felhum » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2005, at 18:44:34
Hi Lou,
Since your question is about the administration of the site, I took the liberty of redirecting your post to Admin.Here is a link.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050628/msgs/525619.htmlgg
Posted by angelbean on July 10, 2005, at 8:45:31
In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Me too, posted by SLS on July 9, 2005, at 20:53:31
It is clear that Scott is saying BEING ON antidepressants can lead to a longer life. However, I thought Lou's point was the opposite?
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...is it proven that not being on antidepressants will lead to a longer life?...].
> > I have a great deal of reserch concerning that question and if anyone would like me to give that to them, they can email me at:
> > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > Lou
>
>
> It has been proven that being on antidepressants can lead to a longer life under a variety of different circumstances.
>
> I have done a great deal of research concerning that question too. Instead of my producing hand-selected links and literature to influence your way of thinking, I would instead invite people interested in this issue to research the matter for themselves using the Internet or visiting a library.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Posted by vanillapod on July 13, 2005, at 19:59:55
In reply to Re: starting effexor... keep posting.. success/dosage?, posted by Racer on October 25, 1999, at 19:54:13
> There's a good reason for starting slowly on Effexor. And yes, I noticed a difference RIGHT AWAY. The first dose, in fact.
>
> Not a fix from the first dose, mind you, but the sleeplessness, the lowering of anxiety, those things happened right away. Build up slowly on this stuff, it's serious business, as you can see from what we all post about it...
>Also for me the first dose I noticed things happening in my head and was lightly confused, I slept a ton, lost my appetite and felt like puking... but that was all mild compared to the "lift" of the anxiety. The wieght from my internal stress leaving so simply ( and I still have some in the background mind you) made me realize I may have been feeling this terrible most of my life. I feel like I can breathe a little. Im very thankful I decided to take it.
I was lucky, my dr gave me 4 sample packs and I figure I have 3 months worth if he has mye upgrade to the second row of 75 mil after I finish the 38 mils. Otherwise I believe opening the pill and dividing the insides would make halp a 75 mil dose.
Not that I am planning on weaning myself off of it anytime soon, (in fact I dont want to stop I can see hope right now) I would think splitting the insides to an 18 mil dose while weaning would make a trasition easier... so I am not scared of my future with this drug.
I am so absoloutly relieved that I see a small glimmer of light at the end of my long dark tunnel, even though I am not out of the woods yet by any means.
AND its only been 72 hours
Posted by TinMan on July 13, 2005, at 21:52:33
In reply to This stuff pulled me out of a deep hole fast » Racer, posted by vanillapod on July 13, 2005, at 19:59:55
The longer I am on Effexor, the more the side effects (unwanted) go away.
Anxiety - well that is a thing of the past! And yes, it is wonderful. I am not so anxious and afraid of most things most of the time. It has been life changing for me. I have done some very wonderful, exciting, challenging things that before I was absolutely scared to death of doing. Like take on a new job, sail a large boat, and just be myself.
I can concentrate, focus and carry on a straight forward, tactful conversation without my mind going off in a million different directions. I can connect with people because I can truly focus on what they are telling me.
I get the excited, "oh this is going to be fun!" feelings now, just like when I was a child. I look forward to things. I enjoy them, fully.
Has Effexor been worth it for me? For now, I would definitely say, "Yes!" Except for the sexual side effects, of course. DHEA helps. The teeth clenching, Klonopin helps for now, but I don't want to become addicted. The weight gain around my mid section is also annoying. But, hey, I will deal with it!
What works for me, may not work for others. See your Dr., communicate with them, get counseling, and ask questions. This forum is certainly a support group! (Except for the few exceptions that offer only negativity. "I'll get you, my Pretty!" and "I'd turn back if I were you!")
Really, I've always had a heart,
TinMan
Posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2005, at 21:55:35
In reply to Re: This stuff pulled me out of a deep hole fast, posted by TinMan on July 13, 2005, at 21:52:33
Tinman, So glad it's working so well for you! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by vanillapod on July 14, 2005, at 16:41:39
In reply to This stuff pulled me out of a deep hole fast » Racer, posted by vanillapod on July 13, 2005, at 19:59:55
I just pulled out of it. I knew I wasn't going to die, as I never have during them, but I had to concentrate on convincing myself of it.
I think smiking is not an option for me anymore. I dont often smoke, but when I do I roll up a fine tobacco, and have an unfiltered.
Wont do that one again.
It only was momentary but I prefer the serene calm to the freaky headrush and pounding heart.
Otherwise I was having a great day.
I wish I wasn't home alone right now, but my roomate will be here soon enough. Brushing my teeth somehow seems like it might be relaxing, I'll try that in the meantime.
Posted by mispanicked on July 15, 2005, at 10:22:49
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I have been taking Effexor XR for about 4 months. I am also taking Xanax XR .5, but have tried to wean off of that. I had moderate success with depression, but have not been able to kick the edgy anxious feelings. I am haveing nightmares and sweats. Sometimes I feel so agitated I have to go home. I am often tired, but fight staying in bed. I am trying to have positive thoughts, but still do not feel great. Since starting the meds, I have been waking up very agitated and edgy, gaging and shaking. Many times it is after a very vivid or disturbing dream. I am also experiencing loss of appetite. I am losing weight(I needed to anyway). I am now trying to taper off the Effexor to go onto another SSRI. Has anyone had a similiar response to this drug? I heard it has more side effects than many other AD on the market.
Posted by carolina on July 15, 2005, at 11:48:51
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by mispanicked on July 15, 2005, at 10:22:49
yes the effexor helped the depression but seemed 2 cause more anxiety... i take klonopin but it makes me even more drowsy. i fight each day 2 stay out of bed. dont know if i'll win 2day. unfortunately effexor has been the only med of MANY that helped w/ the depression. never had dreams though??? let me know how u do carolina
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