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Posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 22:57:21
In reply to Re: opiates with alcohol » CareBear04, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 22:43:06
WOW. Medhed is advocating mixing alcohol and narcotics and CHEMIST was banned??? This doesn't make sense Dr. Bob.
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 7:46:20
In reply to Re: opioids, posted by medhed on February 8, 2005, at 15:30:55
Hi,
>Is dihydrocodiene OTC in the UK?
In the UK, dihydrocodeine is available OTC in a medication called Paramol. Paramol contains paracetamol (acetaminophen) 500 mg and
dihydrocodeine tartrate 7.46 mg. Paramol tablets are schedule 5 in the UK.In the UK, dihydrocodeine is available as 30mg and 40 mg immediate release tablets. The 40mg tablets are called DF118 Forte. It is also available as DHC Continus, a modified release preparation which comes in 60mg, 90mg and 120mg tablets. These dihydrocodeine *tablets* are all schedule 5 in the UK.
Remedeine tablets contain 20mg dihydrocodeine/500mg APAP, Remedeine Forte tablets contain dihydrocodeine 30mg/500mg APAP. These dihydrocodeine *tablets* are all schedule 5 in the UK. ALL dihydrocodeine preparations require a prescription except Paramol.
Dihydrocodeine is also available as an oral solution containing dihydrocodeine tartrate 10 mg/5 mL. This oral solution is schedule 5.
*Pure* dihydrocodeine, and any dihydrocodeine preparation designed for injection is schedule 2 in the UK.
To summarise, dihydrocodeine is classified as a schedule 2 drug in the UK. However, many dihydrocodeine preparations are exempt from most of the controlled drug requirements and are classified under schedule 5. Most dihydrocodeine preparations are therefore subject to minimal control.
Under the UK Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, dihydrocodeine tablets are class B. When prepared for injection, dihydrocodeine is a class A drug
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 9:03:15
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 7:46:20
Thankyou for all the info, I'm starting a new file.
I figure Contugesic, Codesian, and Perduretas must of came by way of UK from Argentina (that's why the Spanish brands). Perduretas were the funniest looking tablets, like flat multicolor, very primitive looking, 30mg. coedine.
Dihydrocoedine is hard to get now, some kind of krackdown. I can get the syrup but because of the weight of the liquid and bottles, shipping costs would not justify the price.I've always heard that in England legally they can supply heroin to a patient. Legal heroin?
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 9:48:55
In reply to Re: opioids » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 9:03:15
Hi!
>I've always heard that in England legally they can supply heroin to a patient. Legal heroin?
Yes, diamorphine (heroin) is widely to used to treat severe pain in the UK. It is administered by continuous subcutaneous (sc) infusion to treat the severe pain of terminal illness. A machine called a syringe driver is used to administer it. When a continuous sc infusion is necessary, diamorphine is used in preference to morphine because it is more soluble and so large doses can be dissoved in small quantites of water. You can dissolve up to 250mg in 1ml of purified water.
Diamorphine is also used by IV, IM or sc injection to relive severe acute pain eg. acute MI. When given orally, it is almost completely metabolised to morphine and has no advantages over morphine when given by this route.
Diamorphine is metabolised to 6-acetylmorphine and morphine. It is illogical that other countries have made diamorphine schedule 1, it's abuse potential is no greater than oxycodone, hydromorphone etc. In the UK it is a schedule 2 drug. Diamorphine is no more dangerous than any of the other potent opioids.
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 10:27:54
In reply to Re: opioids » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 9:48:55
In the file. Thankyou.
Posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 10:59:23
In reply to Re: opioids » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 10:27:54
Hi,
What sort of file are you making?
What is your opinion of the drug laws in the US?
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 13:30:28
In reply to Re: drug laws » medhed, posted by ed_uk on February 9, 2005, at 10:59:23
I don't pay much attention to the drug laws unless I get my nose rubbed in it. But I know all the laws for just in case...
I paid my dues for the life I've chosen or is it I have not chosen this life of paying dues or due to the life choice you will get paid or paying to choose life does not pay or does this mean my life is over?
Posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 17:42:45
In reply to Re: drug laws » ed_uk, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 13:30:28
I've kracked the case, opiates help depression! My online doctor, Dr. Wassisname, granted me a script for 60 10/325 Hydrocodone. The thought of those yellow watsons coming to my door makes me all warm and fuzzy, my depression IS better. I have to admit, the idea makes me nauseus though.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 9, 2005, at 20:52:15
In reply to Re: opiates with alcohol, posted by jerrympls on February 8, 2005, at 22:57:21
> WOW. Medhed is advocating mixing alcohol and narcotics and CHEMIST was banned??? This doesn't make sense Dr. Bob.
Thanks for the input, but I'd like follow-ups regarding administrative issues to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050128/msgs/455646.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
In reply to OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 9, 2005, at 17:42:45
My hydros arrived today...COD, the deliveryman looks at me funny. Perhaps I get too many stange packages.
I've taken 5, I have nothing to bother with today.
Posted by CareBear04 on February 11, 2005, at 12:11:27
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
i know abbout the uncomfortable feelimg. must you be there, or there is a rule that says you have to ab there when they arrive? better luck with it!
Posted by jerrympls on February 11, 2005, at 12:19:27
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
> My hydros arrived today...COD, the deliveryman looks at me funny. Perhaps I get too many stange packages.
> I've taken 5, I have nothing to bother with today.Medhed -
Are you ordering opiates off of internet pharmacies just to get high or to attempt to help with your depression?? Taking 5 at once doesn't sound like a good strategy in my opinion. I know it's extremely hard to find a doc who will prescribe opiates for depression - but I get the feeling you are just wanting to get high? I REALLY don't mean to judge or anything, I'm just advising to be cautious about mixing opiates with your other meds without the supervision of your doctor.
If I may ask- what meds are you taking for depression if any? Do you drink a lot when taking these meds - including the opiates? Please be careful as this could be a lethal combination.
I really hope that things work out for you. From your posts it sounds as if you're giving up on doctors and traditional treatments and have decided to self-medicate. If this is true, many people on this board - including me are here to listen and help in any way we can.
Please do not take this post the wrong way - I really want you to feel better.
Thanks
Jerry
Posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 14:50:55
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION??? » medhed, posted by jerrympls on February 11, 2005, at 12:19:27
No, I don't drink (except small amounts of wine).
From my pdoc I am taking Effexor and Welbutrin.
I have a very high tolerance to opiates even if I haven't used them in a while.
When I find something that compares to 'self medication' I will rethink my options.
Thankyou for your post, I believe in your concern.
Sometimes I cannot predict what will come out of my mouth/keyboard, and I am very defensive of my beliefs surrounding my use of chemicals.I hope your opiate trials are going well.
Posted by tenarc on February 20, 2005, at 13:15:07
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION?, posted by CareBear04 on February 7, 2005, at 10:19:41
> hi, no disrespect at all intended. just wondering-- do most of you experience a "high" from opiates? i've heard of this happening with some people, but i've never had a high or a good feeling; more like a numb feeling of being pushed down.
I get high! I take two hydrocodones in mid-day when I start feeling down and shortly I'm i nirvana!
Posted by gromit on February 21, 2005, at 2:39:51
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION???, posted by medhed on February 11, 2005, at 11:39:58
> My hydros arrived today...COD, the deliveryman looks at me funny. Perhaps I get too many stange packages.
> I've taken 5, I have nothing to bother with today.Did you get 5/500 hydro? If so that's 2.5 grams of tylenol. I'd be less worried about opiates than taking that much acetaminophen over a period of time. That was 1 dose? You take multiple doses each day? HFS, watch out dude! And it's SO expensive to order online, my copay is less than 5 bucks for 50. You can cultivate and produce your own opium, the seeds are legal to buy, you don't have to google too hard to find what you need to get started. If there was a real way to make the effect last over time I would start growing immediately, but I don't see it.
Be careful man,
Rick
Posted by jerrympls on February 22, 2005, at 18:16:34
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION?, posted by tenarc on February 20, 2005, at 13:15:07
> > hi, no disrespect at all intended. just wondering-- do most of you experience a "high" from opiates? i've heard of this happening with some people, but i've never had a high or a good feeling; more like a numb feeling of being pushed down.
>
> I get high! I take two hydrocodones in mid-day when I start feeling down and shortly I'm i nirvana!
I do not get high. I take 5mg four times daily. If I were to take a lot more I would probably feel high - but the dose I am on now does not get *me* high.
Posted by paulbwell on February 23, 2005, at 22:36:30
In reply to Re: OPIATES FOR DEPRESSION?, posted by jerrympls on February 22, 2005, at 18:16:34
> > > hi, no disrespect at all intended. just wondering-- do most of you experience a "high" from opiates? i've heard of this happening with some people, but i've never had a high or a good feeling; more like a numb feeling of being pushed down.
> >
> > I get high! I take two hydrocodones in mid-day when I start feeling down and shortly I'm i nirvana!
>
>
> I do not get high. I take 5mg four times daily. If I were to take a lot more I would probably feel high - but the dose I am on now does not get *me* high.
>Hi Jerry,
How on earth did you get around to be prescribed Opiates for Depression?
-I am guessing you are paying alot to see this PsyDoc? (money talks)
-He is VERY openminded? and not worried about legal ramafacations?I come from down under, and while seeing a top PsyDoc here, openly and honestly, mentioned that when I take Codeine 200-400mgs (Nurofen plus split-OTC here) with the 2-6mgs of Clonazepam I had been taking, I experience a very noticable anxiolytic, antidepressant effect,
Well this was not a good move!. my PCP informed me this PsyDoc thought I was displaying 'Drug seeking tendencies' and was going to place my name on the Authorities 'Drug seekers register'!!, until my PCP intervened.
As another poster wrote:
"Opiates are the best and most effective Antidepressants, they have been used for thousands of years, and apart from 'dependence' are far less toxic than the new drugs. The beginning of imipramine in 1958 represents more, Biopsychiartic sophistication than advance in treatment.So how did you get prescribed these meds?
Which Opiates/Opiods have you been medicated with?Thanks,
Cheers Paul
Posted by jerrympls on February 23, 2005, at 23:09:08
In reply to JERRYMPLS?????, posted by paulbwell on February 23, 2005, at 22:36:30
> > > > hi, no disrespect at all intended. just wondering-- do most of you experience a "high" from opiates? i've heard of this happening with some people, but i've never had a high or a good feeling; more like a numb feeling of being pushed down.
> > >
> > > I get high! I take two hydrocodones in mid-day when I start feeling down and shortly I'm i nirvana!
> >
> >
> > I do not get high. I take 5mg four times daily. If I were to take a lot more I would probably feel high - but the dose I am on now does not get *me* high.
> >
>
>
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> How on earth did you get around to be prescribed Opiates for Depression?
>
> -I am guessing you are paying alot to see this PsyDoc? (money talks)
> -He is VERY openminded? and not worried about legal ramafacations?
>
> I come from down under, and while seeing a top PsyDoc here, openly and honestly, mentioned that when I take Codeine 200-400mgs (Nurofen plus split-OTC here) with the 2-6mgs of Clonazepam I had been taking, I experience a very noticable anxiolytic, antidepressant effect,
>
> Well this was not a good move!. my PCP informed me this PsyDoc thought I was displaying 'Drug seeking tendencies' and was going to place my name on the Authorities 'Drug seekers register'!!, until my PCP intervened.
>
> As another poster wrote:
> "Opiates are the best and most effective Antidepressants, they have been used for thousands of years, and apart from 'dependence' are far less toxic than the new drugs. The beginning of imipramine in 1958 represents more, Biopsychiartic sophistication than advance in treatment.
>
> So how did you get prescribed these meds?
> Which Opiates/Opiods have you been medicated with?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cheers PaulHi Paul!
Well, you'll be amazed to know that my pdoc is a resident - 4th year. I see him at a clinic at our University (a teaching hospital). I have insurance, so my copay to see him is $10. I originally "came out" about how opiates helped my depression when my doc - frustrated with my treatment resistant depression - asked me "Does ANYTHING help you?" I said boldy: "Yes, Vicodin (hydrocodone). It's the closest thing that's ever made me feel close to normal." We have a good relationship and after I said: "I am not a drug addict, I am not seeking a high, nor am I drug seeking..." my doc said: "I know - I trust you."
However, it still wasn't an easy sell. Luckily from doing research on the web and getting some research from some of the members on this board, I presented it to my doc who went over it with his supervising/faculty psychiatrist. Still, he wanted to try a couple other options - but said "An opiate trial is not out of the question - but I'd like to look into it more."
So, two months ago he agreed to go ahead with a trial of opiates - along with my other meds (Lexapro & dexedrine). We did a month trial on Oxycodone (Oxycontin) 10mg 1x daily. I found that it helped tremendously but really fogged my thinking. I told him that hydrocodone gave me more of a stimulating effect and he agreed to do another month trial on that to compare the two. The only drawback to the hydrocodone is there is no long-acting form. I'm taking HYCODAN which is hydrocodone 5mg and 1.5mg homatropine (anti-cholinergic/sub-therapuetic level) preparation. I take 4 of them a day.
I see him next week to decide on which opiate to continue on - and I think it will be the hydrocodone because it doesn't cause any mental clouding.
I do NOT feel high when I take this medication. I barely notice it except for the fact that it has put my depression into a 70-80% remission. I still have a lingering chronic low-grade depression that I'm working on with my therapist.
I have good days and bad days and I do NOT feel great all the time - but I do feel very "normal," the best I've felt in the 13 years I've been battling depression (I'm 33 now).
So, I am not paying $$$ for a big name doctor - I pay $10 to see a resident - a student doc. I think that it makes a HUGE difference that this is at a big university with a big research area. This was one of the University's that conducted part of the Vegal Nerve Stimulator clinical studies (which I was involved in).
I have been feeling guilty for posting my luck with a doc prescribing opiates for my depression because I know there are so many others out there who are in pain. I don't want to sound as if I am gloating. I thank God every day that I have this opportunity. Yes, I am worried about tolerance and possible withdrawl in the future - but I'll have to cross that bridge when/if it comes.
Hope this helped answer your questions. I'm happy to answer any others.
Thanks!
Jerry
Posted by paulbwell on February 24, 2005, at 0:19:27
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS????? » paulbwell, posted by jerrympls on February 23, 2005, at 23:09:08
> > > > > hi, no disrespect at all intended. just wondering-- do most of you experience a "high" from opiates? i've heard of this happening with some people, but i've never had a high or a good feeling; more like a numb feeling of being pushed down.
> > > >
> > > > I get high! I take two hydrocodones in mid-day when I start feeling down and shortly I'm i nirvana!
> > >
> > >
> > > I do not get high. I take 5mg four times daily. If I were to take a lot more I would probably feel high - but the dose I am on now does not get *me* high.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > How on earth did you get around to be prescribed Opiates for Depression?
> >
> > -I am guessing you are paying alot to see this PsyDoc? (money talks)
> > -He is VERY openminded? and not worried about legal ramafacations?
> >
> > I come from down under, and while seeing a top PsyDoc here, openly and honestly, mentioned that when I take Codeine 200-400mgs (Nurofen plus split-OTC here) with the 2-6mgs of Clonazepam I had been taking, I experience a very noticable anxiolytic, antidepressant effect,
> >
> > Well this was not a good move!. my PCP informed me this PsyDoc thought I was displaying 'Drug seeking tendencies' and was going to place my name on the Authorities 'Drug seekers register'!!, until my PCP intervened.
> >
> > As another poster wrote:
> > "Opiates are the best and most effective Antidepressants, they have been used for thousands of years, and apart from 'dependence' are far less toxic than the new drugs. The beginning of imipramine in 1958 represents more, Biopsychiartic sophistication than advance in treatment.
> >
> > So how did you get prescribed these meds?
> > Which Opiates/Opiods have you been medicated with?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Cheers Paul
>
> Hi Paul!
>
> Well, you'll be amazed to know that my pdoc is a resident - 4th year. I see him at a clinic at our University (a teaching hospital). I have insurance, so my copay to see him is $10. I originally "came out" about how opiates helped my depression when my doc - frustrated with my treatment resistant depression - asked me "Does ANYTHING help you?" I said boldy: "Yes, Vicodin (hydrocodone). It's the closest thing that's ever made me feel close to normal." We have a good relationship and after I said: "I am not a drug addict, I am not seeking a high, nor am I drug seeking..." my doc said: "I know - I trust you."
>
> However, it still wasn't an easy sell. Luckily from doing research on the web and getting some research from some of the members on this board, I presented it to my doc who went over it with his supervising/faculty psychiatrist. Still, he wanted to try a couple other options - but said "An opiate trial is not out of the question - but I'd like to look into it more."
>
> So, two months ago he agreed to go ahead with a trial of opiates - along with my other meds (Lexapro & dexedrine). We did a month trial on Oxycodone (Oxycontin) 10mg 1x daily. I found that it helped tremendously but really fogged my thinking. I told him that hydrocodone gave me more of a stimulating effect and he agreed to do another month trial on that to compare the two. The only drawback to the hydrocodone is there is no long-acting form. I'm taking HYCODAN which is hydrocodone 5mg and 1.5mg homatropine (anti-cholinergic/sub-therapuetic level) preparation. I take 4 of them a day.
>
> I see him next week to decide on which opiate to continue on - and I think it will be the hydrocodone because it doesn't cause any mental clouding.
>
> I do NOT feel high when I take this medication. I barely notice it except for the fact that it has put my depression into a 70-80% remission. I still have a lingering chronic low-grade depression that I'm working on with my therapist.
>
> I have good days and bad days and I do NOT feel great all the time - but I do feel very "normal," the best I've felt in the 13 years I've been battling depression (I'm 33 now).
>
> So, I am not paying $$$ for a big name doctor - I pay $10 to see a resident - a student doc. I think that it makes a HUGE difference that this is at a big university with a big research area. This was one of the University's that conducted part of the Vegal Nerve Stimulator clinical studies (which I was involved in).
>
> I have been feeling guilty for posting my luck with a doc prescribing opiates for my depression because I know there are so many others out there who are in pain. I don't want to sound as if I am gloating. I thank God every day that I have this opportunity. Yes, I am worried about tolerance and possible withdrawl in the future - but I'll have to cross that bridge when/if it comes.
>
> Hope this helped answer your questions. I'm happy to answer any others.
>
> Thanks!
> Jerry
Thank you for your reply :)You lucky dog you, to have understanding and cooperative Docs, who actually listen and try and help you, using whatever works to make you feel "normal" (I know what you mean-Codeine does this to me).
I'm 33 this year too, and have battled Depression since my teens-so we have a similar story. I have managed to have the opportunity of using MSIR 20mg, (Morphine Sulphate Immediate Release)-at considerable expense-which I bought off an acquantance, and found these to be helpfull in a different way. They helped Depression but only by numbing it. They made me feel kinda dopey and slow, as opposed to Codeine which had an enlivening effect, so I know you feelings in reguards to Oxy, Hydro.You take Dexedrine? does this help? a high dose?
I am prescribed Ritalin for 'ADHD' which apparently I have, It is a fast and short acting Anti-Depressant--so I'l go with it.
I wonder if you plan on trying any more Opiates, or if you feel well enought on the Hycodone.
Cheers
Posted by jerrympls on February 24, 2005, at 0:24:14
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS?????, posted by paulbwell on February 24, 2005, at 0:19:27
> > > > > > hi, no disrespect at all intended. just wondering-- do most of you experience a "high" from opiates? i've heard of this happening with some people, but i've never had a high or a good feeling; more like a numb feeling of being pushed down.
> > > > >
> > > > > I get high! I take two hydrocodones in mid-day when I start feeling down and shortly I'm i nirvana!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do not get high. I take 5mg four times daily. If I were to take a lot more I would probably feel high - but the dose I am on now does not get *me* high.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > > How on earth did you get around to be prescribed Opiates for Depression?
> > >
> > > -I am guessing you are paying alot to see this PsyDoc? (money talks)
> > > -He is VERY openminded? and not worried about legal ramafacations?
> > >
> > > I come from down under, and while seeing a top PsyDoc here, openly and honestly, mentioned that when I take Codeine 200-400mgs (Nurofen plus split-OTC here) with the 2-6mgs of Clonazepam I had been taking, I experience a very noticable anxiolytic, antidepressant effect,
> > >
> > > Well this was not a good move!. my PCP informed me this PsyDoc thought I was displaying 'Drug seeking tendencies' and was going to place my name on the Authorities 'Drug seekers register'!!, until my PCP intervened.
> > >
> > > As another poster wrote:
> > > "Opiates are the best and most effective Antidepressants, they have been used for thousands of years, and apart from 'dependence' are far less toxic than the new drugs. The beginning of imipramine in 1958 represents more, Biopsychiartic sophistication than advance in treatment.
> > >
> > > So how did you get prescribed these meds?
> > > Which Opiates/Opiods have you been medicated with?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Cheers Paul
> >
> > Hi Paul!
> >
> > Well, you'll be amazed to know that my pdoc is a resident - 4th year. I see him at a clinic at our University (a teaching hospital). I have insurance, so my copay to see him is $10. I originally "came out" about how opiates helped my depression when my doc - frustrated with my treatment resistant depression - asked me "Does ANYTHING help you?" I said boldy: "Yes, Vicodin (hydrocodone). It's the closest thing that's ever made me feel close to normal." We have a good relationship and after I said: "I am not a drug addict, I am not seeking a high, nor am I drug seeking..." my doc said: "I know - I trust you."
> >
> > However, it still wasn't an easy sell. Luckily from doing research on the web and getting some research from some of the members on this board, I presented it to my doc who went over it with his supervising/faculty psychiatrist. Still, he wanted to try a couple other options - but said "An opiate trial is not out of the question - but I'd like to look into it more."
> >
> > So, two months ago he agreed to go ahead with a trial of opiates - along with my other meds (Lexapro & dexedrine). We did a month trial on Oxycodone (Oxycontin) 10mg 1x daily. I found that it helped tremendously but really fogged my thinking. I told him that hydrocodone gave me more of a stimulating effect and he agreed to do another month trial on that to compare the two. The only drawback to the hydrocodone is there is no long-acting form. I'm taking HYCODAN which is hydrocodone 5mg and 1.5mg homatropine (anti-cholinergic/sub-therapuetic level) preparation. I take 4 of them a day.
> >
> > I see him next week to decide on which opiate to continue on - and I think it will be the hydrocodone because it doesn't cause any mental clouding.
> >
> > I do NOT feel high when I take this medication. I barely notice it except for the fact that it has put my depression into a 70-80% remission. I still have a lingering chronic low-grade depression that I'm working on with my therapist.
> >
> > I have good days and bad days and I do NOT feel great all the time - but I do feel very "normal," the best I've felt in the 13 years I've been battling depression (I'm 33 now).
> >
> > So, I am not paying $$$ for a big name doctor - I pay $10 to see a resident - a student doc. I think that it makes a HUGE difference that this is at a big university with a big research area. This was one of the University's that conducted part of the Vegal Nerve Stimulator clinical studies (which I was involved in).
> >
> > I have been feeling guilty for posting my luck with a doc prescribing opiates for my depression because I know there are so many others out there who are in pain. I don't want to sound as if I am gloating. I thank God every day that I have this opportunity. Yes, I am worried about tolerance and possible withdrawl in the future - but I'll have to cross that bridge when/if it comes.
> >
> > Hope this helped answer your questions. I'm happy to answer any others.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jerry
>
>
> Thank you for your reply :)
>
> You lucky dog you, to have understanding and cooperative Docs, who actually listen and try and help you, using whatever works to make you feel "normal" (I know what you mean-Codeine does this to me).
> I'm 33 this year too, and have battled Depression since my teens-so we have a similar story. I have managed to have the opportunity of using MSIR 20mg, (Morphine Sulphate Immediate Release)-at considerable expense-which I bought off an acquantance, and found these to be helpfull in a different way. They helped Depression but only by numbing it. They made me feel kinda dopey and slow, as opposed to Codeine which had an enlivening effect, so I know you feelings in reguards to Oxy, Hydro.
>
> You take Dexedrine? does this help? a high dose?
>
> I am prescribed Ritalin for 'ADHD' which apparently I have, It is a fast and short acting Anti-Depressant--so I'l go with it.
>
> I wonder if you plan on trying any more Opiates, or if you feel well enought on the Hycodone.
>
> CheersHi Paul-
I don't think we plan to try any other opiates - unless my doc has something in mind. I take 15mg Dexedrine 3x daily - it works very well. Ritalin never really worked well for me - it helped to a degree but Dexedrine has always worked better.
Jerry
Posted by paulbwell on February 24, 2005, at 0:43:45
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS????? » paulbwell, posted by jerrympls on February 24, 2005, at 0:24:14
Hi jerry,
In what ways did they differ?
SE's
Dose differences
length of action?I was thinking of see about a change
feedback would be great,
Cheers
Posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 9:31:37
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS????? » paulbwell, posted by jerrympls on February 24, 2005, at 0:24:14
Hi Jerry,
>I don't think we plan to try any other opiates - unless my doc has something in mind.
You could always ask about trying hydromorphone controlled release (Palladone).
Ed.
Posted by medhed on February 24, 2005, at 17:47:52
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS?????, posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 9:31:37
> Hi Jerry,
>
> >I don't think we plan to try any other opiates - unless my doc has something in mind.
>
> You could always ask about trying hydromorphone controlled release (Palladone).
>
> Ed.
MMMMmmmmm, Dilaudid. (Knoll)
Posted by jerrympls on February 24, 2005, at 18:41:16
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS????? Dexedrine, posted by paulbwell on February 24, 2005, at 0:43:45
> Hi jerry,
>
> In what ways did they differ?
> SE's
> Dose differences
> length of action?
>
> I was thinking of see about a change
>
> feedback would be great,
>
> CheersDexedrine is more activating for me - mentally & physically. Ritalin always seems to wear off quickly even when using extended release forms. Dexedrine is very much a more potent stimulant in my opinion. The sustained released version works really well for me and is very smooth - not as big of a crash after a dose wears off compared to Ritalin. Also has stronger appetite suppression although that goes away after a couple months.
Hope this helps
Jerry
Posted by jerrympls on February 24, 2005, at 18:42:50
In reply to Re: JERRYMPLS?????, posted by ed_uk on February 24, 2005, at 9:31:37
> Hi Jerry,
>
> >I don't think we plan to try any other opiates - unless my doc has something in mind.
>
> You could always ask about trying hydromorphone controlled release (Palladone).
>
> Ed.Ahh-- Dilauded? There's a controlled released version? That may be an option. Thanks!!
Jerry ;-)
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