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Posted by headachequeen on October 22, 2004, at 19:20:09
In reply to Re: Are you OK, Kat?, posted by redscarlet on October 22, 2004, at 19:03:27
> Lip licking can be a side effect from medication. You may want to let your doctor know that this is happening.
> Hope you feel better soon... :-)hmmmm I see my GP on Monday and shall tell him about it... I have visions of wearing my lips down to the skeleton by Hallowe'en and fitting right in!!!!
Thanks for the information...See what I mean about this place?? there is so much help to be found here...
and we need each and every person to contribute and take part...
That's not an invitation, by the way...
that's an order, folks <G>
kat the control freak
Posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 20:33:55
In reply to Re: Are you OK, Kat? » redscarlet, posted by headachequeen on October 22, 2004, at 19:20:09
Wait a minute, I'm the control freak!
Kat, I hope you are feeling better. How awful for you to have to go through that. I knew something was going on.....
Rainy, I'm that way with directions and I'm not on Topamax. Isn't that scary? -L
Posted by iris2 on October 22, 2004, at 20:38:43
In reply to Re: Re being bipolar II, Civil and on Topamax » iris2, posted by rainy on October 22, 2004, at 18:23:54
Just wanted to say I already had my registration set to use babbblemail so I realy did not have to change anything. But someone babblemailed me not too long ago and it worked.
irene
Posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 20:48:24
In reply to Re: Re being bipolar II, Civil and on Topamax » rainy, posted by iris2 on October 22, 2004, at 20:38:43
This is really getting to me.....I tried for the fourth time, yessssss, and it didn't work. I'm obsessed now and am determined to get this done. Hand in there for me. But, in the mean time, I guess we'll just have to keep posting. Maybe we could try the physcology board? -L
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2004, at 22:56:26
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by bridgey1128 on October 22, 2004, at 9:03:33
Posted by headachequeen on October 22, 2004, at 23:01:24
In reply to Re: Are you OK, Kat?, posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 20:33:55
> Wait a minute, I'm the control freak!
>
> Kat, I hope you are feeling better. How awful for you to have to go through that. I knew something was going on.....
> Rainy, I'm that way with directions and I'm not on Topamax. Isn't that scary? -LHa!
You are the control-freak-in-training... and with time will be good at it I am sure. In the mean time, although I am having trouble with these silly meds and seizures and all the rest of it, there is one thing I am still good at it and that is control... I have never given up my ability to control the world...
or my desire to control the world...
each day I waken with the determination to expand the reach of my control... as of this week I have reached Neptune... the rest of the universe is but a day or two away...
So, the rest of you who are out there wondering if you should participate in these conversations, wonder no longer! It is time that we heard from you...
as for control... you are learning at the knee of a master...
kat
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2004, at 23:13:32
In reply to Re: Re being bipolar II, Civil and on Topamax, posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 20:48:24
> I tried for the fourth time, yessssss, and it didn't work...
I replied over at PBA:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/406207.html
Bob
Posted by bridgey1128 on October 22, 2004, at 23:27:31
In reply to Redirect: tried for the fourth time, posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2004, at 23:13:32
What was the post thanks (nm) directed to me from Dr Bob? Those things confuse me. I have seen thatbefore. It's a blank post.
Posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 23:34:57
In reply to Re: Redirect: tried for the fourth time, posted by bridgey1128 on October 22, 2004, at 23:27:31
I have seen that one also, and wonder what that's about. I just assumed everyone else knew and it would take me some time to figure it out. -L
Posted by castlemeadow on October 23, 2004, at 14:21:30
In reply to Re: Redirect: tried for the fourth time, posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 23:34:57
Posted by headachequeen on October 23, 2004, at 16:12:46
In reply to Re: Redirect: tried for the fourth time, posted by Stressee on October 22, 2004, at 23:34:57
> I have seen that one also, and wonder what that's about. I just assumed everyone else knew and it would take me some time to figure it out. -L
I am assuming this is in reference to the one from Dr. Bob in reply to Bridgey's post? Well, it certainly has everyone's attention... at least it has the attention of those of us who are posting to the board already... now those of you who do not post, why do you not explain to us how the board works for the benefit of those of us having problems with posting? It would be a fair thing to do.
And may I add here that I woke up having a terrible time reading but that at the moment I seem to be able read with ease so am going to tackle the cryptic crossword in today's National Post... on the days when I am unable to read, thinking is out of the question as welll
And this morning when I wakened it was with the worst nausea... oh but I wanted to simply return to the world of sleep and as fast as possible but that was not possible...
have you ever noticed how unfair life is???and I am supposing that this poster is a migraine sufferer...
that is why I started my affair with Topomax. Instead of an increase of Tegretol the first neurologist put me on Topomax because I asked about migraine control -- after he snapped at me for never having mentioned migraines in the first place, but I had been referred to him because of the seizures which had been diagnosed as epileptic in nature, so ????
haven't had a migraine in almost two years and loving it
kat
Posted by NeNe on October 23, 2004, at 18:19:05
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by bridgey1128 on October 14, 2004, at 8:48:33
Question for all, hope you can help. I am really desperate! I am now up to 400mg topomax- am feeling calm , but my mood swings are from another planet !!!! Can this be equaled out somehow ?? Then I get myself so damm depressed !
Has anyone been there done that?
Posted by stresser on October 23, 2004, at 19:23:45
In reply to Re: Re being bipolar II, Civil and on Topamax » rainy, posted by iris2 on October 22, 2004, at 20:38:43
I think I have my connection, but I had to change eveything including my screen name. What a mess!! At least I have babbl mail now, but i hope I don't get into trouble with Dr. Bob for creating a new profile. Anyway, Everyone---- Things are not going well here, because M has said that the binging isn't stopping. That means the topamax isn't working at 150mg. She is really distressed and wanted me to take her to a hospital. I can't do that, of course. I really don't think there is a doc/phys/therapist that can help her, and she's beside herself. Her cloths are getting way to small, nothing is helping at all. I can't even help her....What do I do? -L
Posted by merry on October 24, 2004, at 0:04:45
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by NeNe on October 23, 2004, at 18:19:05
> Question for all, hope you can help. I am really desperate! I am now up to 400mg topomax- am feeling calm , but my mood swings are from another planet !!!! Can this be equaled out somehow ?? Then I get myself so damm depressed !
> Has anyone been there done that?I am working my way up to 400mg of topomax. I am at 250mg right now. I noticed alot of side effects because my doc had me go up my dose too fast but also noticed that I started to become severly depressed a soon as the increase began. I have been crying alot. I have been calmer because my anxiety and anger seem to have disapated and I am glad about that. But I don't like the depression. I am hoping that maybe when my body adjust to the new dose the depression would ease up. As for the mood swings...well that is also a problem because I would be crying for like 20 minutes then all of a sudden I will be laughing and feeling all better for a while then the sadness would come back. WEIRD. Topomax is supposed to be a MOOD stabalizer. So can anyone out there give NeNe and me some advice? Thanx....merry ps. Thank you stresser for your positive feedback on the other post. You made me focus on my good qualities and made me feel better about myself. I hope things are well with you.
Posted by stresser on October 24, 2004, at 9:48:35
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by merry on October 24, 2004, at 0:04:45
I know I have severe mood swings exactly like you are describing, and I'm not on topamax. Maybe when you increase your dosage things will be better. I wish I had some advice, but it's me who's looking for that. Sometimes I think I am really CRAZY. No joking. -L
Posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 10:52:27
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by NeNe on October 23, 2004, at 18:19:05
> Question for all, hope you can help. I am really desperate! I am now up to 400mg topomax- am feeling calm , but my mood swings are from another planet !!!! Can this be equaled out somehow ?? Then I get myself so damm depressed !
> Has anyone been there done that?I see a list of psychobabble mails so someone may have answered this already, but are the doses divided between morning and evening... half in the morning and half at bedtime???
kat
Posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 10:54:28
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by stresser on October 24, 2004, at 9:48:35
> I know I have severe mood swings exactly like you are describing, and I'm not on topamax. Maybe when you increase your dosage things will be better. I wish I had some advice, but it's me who's looking for that. Sometimes I think I am really CRAZY. No joking. -L
But you are under so much stress that of course your mood swings are going to happen...
kat
Posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 10:56:42
In reply to Re: topamx » iris2, posted by stresser on October 23, 2004, at 19:23:45
> I think I have my connection, but I had to change eveything including my screen name. What a mess!! At least I have babbl mail now, but i hope I don't get into trouble with Dr. Bob for creating a new profile. Anyway, Everyone---- Things are not going well here, because M has said that the binging isn't stopping. That means the topamax isn't working at 150mg. She is really distressed and wanted me to take her to a hospital. I can't do that, of course. I really don't think there is a doc/phys/therapist that can help her, and she's beside herself. Her cloths are getting way to small, nothing is helping at all. I can't even help her....What do I do? -L
I am wondering if she is on it at the right times and if she is on a high enough dose to quit the food urges...
the food urges and the weight loss was really noticeable my husband says when I was at the higher dose...
and when I go the dosage at the right times it worked better for me...kat
Posted by stresser on October 24, 2004, at 12:23:25
In reply to Re: topamx » stresser, posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 10:56:42
I'm assuming you all figured out it's still me, after all that mess with the babble mail and posting...what a mess. Kat, are you saying you are really depressed? I'm looking to you for the advice, you're supposed to be the rock for us!!! Do you think you need other medication for the depression? I just worry about your seizures and I think those need to be taken care of, as well as the depression. Now for M, this morning she said that for the last three days her eyes felt really scratchy when she put her contacts in her eyes. (last about one hour) I hope the topamax isn't doing that, and it's the need for fresh contacts. I told her to try that and I hope that's it. The ringing in the ears is gone, but her doc. didn't say anything about increasing her dosage in the future. I have ready that it sometimes takes 200mg to get the binge urges to go away. He mind is on food 24/7, even when she isn't hungry. I really wish it were me, instead of her dealing with this. She thinks if she is kept away from food it will go away, but even if she was somewhere where it was controlled she would eventually have to go back to the "real world" and deal with food again. They put those darn vending machines in the schools, and that's one of the problems with her. She just can't stay away from them. We were wondering if maybe there's something else wrong, because I don't see her eat huge amounts. She says she doesn't eat huge amounts when she binges, but she won't be honest and write down everything she is eating. (her trainer wanted her to do that for him) I read an arcticle that says that teenagers underestimate the amount of food they take in, and I'm thinking that may be one problem. I don't think it's her thyroid, because we had it tested. When we were on vacation this summer, she was with us 24/7 (of course), and ate very healthfuly for about 10 days. When we got back home she said she had lost four pounds, and I thought that was a sign that it is the binging. She was taking Lexapro at the time and I think losing was harder on that SSRI. I am weening her off the Wellbutrin, because I don't think it's doing her any favors either. I hope I'm not talking in circles, but I'm trying to get everything down for all of you. Kat, is it sunny in Ontario today? It is here, for once, and I hope that helps my mood. Hang in there, and keep writing those clever posts because it's very intertaining as well as informative. Bridgey- Where have you been? -L
Posted by rainy on October 24, 2004, at 14:54:49
In reply to Re: topamx, posted by stresser on October 24, 2004, at 12:23:25
Alright, I've just lost message # 15--poetry to be sure. I've been dealing with bad passwords, names, registrations, and after a trip to the administrative board which followed a desperate letter to Dr Bob for help, the computer crashed for almost 24 hour hours. You may not know how lucky you are!
Bridgey, aren't you starting rehersals at the beginning of the month? Into the Woods? How's your voice doing? Does the Topamax help you vocal chords relax?
Stresser, I've read a couple of places that talk therapy is sometimes useful in dealing with eating disorders--is this an option that fits in anywhere with your philosophy (or budget--it's so stupid expensive)? Topamax is such a newbie, I think, in treating anorexia/bulemia. By the way, you should have my e-mail address on your babble mail by now. I didn't start losing weight until about 225 mgs.
Iris2, I've babbled you, too, with my e-mail address.
Completely off the wall: What does this symbol mean? <g>
Testing, testing
rainy
Posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 16:44:23
In reply to Re: topamx, posted by stresser on October 24, 2004, at 12:23:25
> I'm assuming you all figured out it's still me, after all that mess with the babble mail and posting...what a mess. Kat, are you saying you are really depressed?
At one point I was being treated for depression as I suffer for seasonal affective disorder... go figure, I live winter but need the light of summer which I really do not enjoy -- there is some sort of personality disorder that needs investigating!!!!
However I have, in addition to all the redhead disorders or whatever they are called and diabetes, epilepsy and migraine. Apparently migraine and epilepsy (taken from something I read recently about a new possible treatment for migraine) the two are related -- at any rate, when the former neurologist learned I had migraine, he prescribed topomax to deal with them and as a supplemental seizure treatment...
there are days when the seizures take over my life and ignore the treatment patterns that I am depressed but not to the point of needing treatment, although I spent a month in hospital after a breakdown... that was a couple of years ago and was released on the understanding that I would see a psychologist for a few years...
he and I met for a year or so... and he kicked me loose with the assurance that if I ever needed him he was only a phone call away...
> I'm looking to you for the advice, you're >supposed to be the rock for us!!! Do you think >you need other medication for the depression?
I don't know about being a rock for anyone, but I do know that I will never again take any antidepressive of any sort. I think they are the most incredibly damaging things in the world...
zombieland invents them to be sure that there is a population. In one of my sessions with the psychologist he mentioned that my mother had done a good job of raising me with her Aberdeen granite philosophy because I never let my guard down and he never saw any sign of emotion...
well I was on these anti-depressants ... as well as a sleeping pill and an aed... so on the way home that day I decided that there would be no more zyprex no more effexor and no more of the sleeping stuff... I just threw them away...
no one told me that it was not how it was done, I just did it, the old Aberdeen granite approach to life... and it worked for me.
I had no problems with it, nothing bothered me about it until I told my doctor who offered to put me on a lesser med to help adjust gradually (this two months after I quit) so there would be no reactions or whatever... I thanked him but pointed out that I would have to have something to help me come off that then... he told me that if someone quit cold turkey it was usually for a medical reason and in hospital under supervision... well, no one told me that either until then... it was done and I was fine and I told him that if he wanted to cut me off as anon-compliant patient I would understand but I no longer wanted to take the stuff.
He had no problem with my not taking as long as I came back to talk if I had problems and as long as I kept going to the psychologist. I had told the psychologist a month earlier. When I told the psychologist about his reaction and how funny I had found it he was rather angry and told me that I had been lucky because other people have terrible times doing that... well, they are not Aberdeen granite... but it did help our sessions and we reached the bottom of the problems I had to solve and that was that...
now my depression days I understand; they annoy me but I can pretty well deal with them and I find that the people here are really helpful, incredible therapy... far better than the silly group sessions in hospital with everyone sitting around looking at the ceiling or the walls and twiddling their thumbs.
That was a great rest, away from the stresses and strains that put me there, but it solved nothing, just increased the meds. What a solution to life's stresses: give more medications.
I keep wondering why psychiatrists exist other than to hand out pills and get bigger pay cheques.
Sorry, Dr. Bob. I know -- no nasty comments, but I do wonder... the psychologist did the work... and without pills...>>I just worry about your seizures and I think those need to be taken care of, as well as the depression.
I think I have found one solution to dealing with them... I cannot read and function when I waken in the morning, but if I take a long nap (from about ten until around three) I am able to read, the nausea goes away, and I am able to walk without the appearance of a drunken sailor... things are looking up...
and I have not had a daytime seizure for two whole days ... I feel like celebrating...
but as I have cut back on coffee and do not drink caffeinated soft drinks or alcohol or eat chocolate or other stimulants... and am cutting back on the stronger proteins such as red meat and pork and and and and.... anyone care to join me in a peanut butter and beansprout sandwich - on whole wheat of course...
>> Now for M, this morning she said that for the last three days her eyes felt really scratchy when she put her contacts in her eyes. (last about one hour)Now here I am an expert as I suffer from dry eyes... they say that if you live with a dog long enough you grow to look like it, in my case I have taken on some of its health problems instead...
I had to have surgery to correct entropion (a mild <s> even a <g> is all right, but stop that laughing <g>) and have had three or four surgeries on each eye for dry eye... and with no immune system... this is the time my body chooses to heal... at the moment I am waiting to be sure that my head won't twitch at the wrong time to go back and have both eyes done again, probably have them cauterised this time as the first time...have her use a product to moisten her eyes at night when she is not using her contacts... one that does not have artificial preservatives.. the best one I know, is oh brother GenteelGel ... do not use the drops as they have the preservative...
this comes from the surgeons.., their recommendation... there is another stuff, a drop but I cannot remember its name...
it is good but I prefer this one, easier to use...
shall think of the other...
whenver she is not using the contacts, irrigate the eyes...
and never use anything that promises to get the red out...
there are several products widely advertised and commonly in use for many years that might as well be replaced with battery acid...
AEDs and topomax and tegretol of course are aeds will dry the eyes a bit... so we fight back with proper and healthy stuff...
It is not a drastic thing and stops after a while... even in dry-eye situations... as long as the stupid things don't heal LOL>>I have ready that it sometimes takes 200mg to get the binge urges to go away. He mind is on food 24/7, even when she isn't hungry.
Then try to help her find other consuming interests.. she needs to find that food is not the only way to solve her problems... if only she could share her problems with you and find a solution with you but we all know that is not in the real world only in the scripted world
>> They put those darn vending machines in the schools, and that's one of the problems with her. She just can't stay away from them.
In Ontario they are legislating the foods and quantities of food that can be in the vending machines... that should be interesting and I was told yesterday that the plan is to take it a step further to control the foods that can be in a lunch that is sent with a child to school...
now that I think is going a lot too far...
>>We were wondering if maybe there's something else wrong, because I don't see her eat huge amounts.
Oh,L., I didn't eat at all in high school and my mother didn't notice... I got up and no one noticed that I didn't eat breakfast before I caught the bus into the city. I grabbed a Pepsi and sometimes ate a few frites with it for lunch and some times just the Pepsi. Often I was involved in school activities so was too late for dinner and no one thought about asking if I had eaten.
I look at photos of myself in high school and think how I would panic if a daughter of mine would press my panic buttons if she looked like that... I do not look like a walking skeleton but I maintained a 94-95 pounds or a little less and was 5'6" so I always looked taller than I was and panicked if I thought I had gained weight... but no one noticed...
my mother would comment if she thought I had gained weight though!
>>She says she doesn't eat huge amounts when she binges, but she won't be honest and write down everything she is eating.Hey, I am supposed to keep a record for the meetings with the nutritionist so we can get things on track with blood sugar and balance my diet to keep it and me happy... and I forget a lot of the time... it is so easy to forget and I am supposed to be a mature responsible adult... well, let's scrap the responsible
>> the Wellbutrin, because I don't think it's doing her any favors either.Seems to me that it is one of the ones they told me would cause weight gain... I know effexor does... balloon time!!!!
I hope I'm not talking in circles, but I'm trying to get everything down for all of you.L., this is where you talk about it and we try to listen and help... and if it is in circles well we can follow the cookie trail... honest... we are able to travel with you and understand...
>Kat, is it sunny in Ontario today? It is here, for once, and I hope that helps my mood.It was sunny and I was thinking it would be a good day for some photography, the end of fall and all that, no matter how rotten I felt... and then I slept through it... and now it is evening...
I missed it all... oh well as they say in my country, tomorrow is another 24 hours
and perhaps the sun will shine again and brighten the day for all of us and I will get those photos..
somewhere there will be some colourful leaves still clinging to a tree and looking beautiful... and I will find that tree and those leaves...
> Hang in there, and keep writing those clever posts because it's very intertaining as well as informative.L, a friend from whom I have not heard in a while e-mailed yesterday to inform me that her sister was diagnosed with epilepsy recently and she (my friend) had decided that her sister and I are not going to let it interfere with our life styles and that, she said, is that...
I shall indeed hang in there... this is not going to get me down... I have felt sorry for myself long enough... time to fight back...
kat the survivor
>
Posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 16:48:13
In reply to Re: topomax, posted by merry on October 24, 2004, at 0:04:45
> > Question for all, hope you can help. I am really desperate! I am now up to 400mg topomax- am feeling calm , but my mood swings are from another planet !!!! Can this be equaled out somehow ?? Then I get myself so damm depressed !
> > Has anyone been there done that?
>
> I am working my way up to 400mg of topomax. I am at 250mg right now. I noticed alot of side effects because my doc had me go up my dose too fast but also noticed that I started to become severly depressed a soon as the increase began. I have been crying alot. I have been calmer because my anxiety and anger seem to have disapated and I am glad about that. But I don't like the depression. I am hoping that maybe when my body adjust to the new dose the depression would ease up. As for the mood swings...well that is also a problem because I would be crying for like 20 minutes then all of a sudden I will be laughing and feeling all better for a while then the sadness would come back. WEIRD. Topomax is supposed to be a MOOD stabalizer. So can anyone out there give NeNe and me some advice? Thanx....merry ps. Thank you stresser for your positive feedback on the other post. You made me focus on my good qualities and made me feel better about myself. I hope things are well with you.
Merry,Are you taking all the topomax at the same time?
how fast are you increasing the dosage?
when are you taking the topomax?
kat
Posted by redscarlet on October 24, 2004, at 17:53:32
In reply to Re: topamx, posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 16:44:23
Well, I just have to say my psychiatrist saved my life and I thank him dearly for that.
Psychiatrists DO help lots of people and save many lives as well.You can track your daily food intake on www.fitday.com. It will keep track of your calories, protein, carbs etc.
You can also put in your daily activity, such as what exercise you do. It's a easy way to keep a log of your eating & exercise.I'm on 450mg of Wellbutrin and it has not caused weight gain, in fact it would be very, very unusual to gain weight on Wellbutrin.
Posted by merry on October 24, 2004, at 19:09:15
In reply to Re: topomax » merry, posted by headachequeen on October 24, 2004, at 16:48:13
> >
> > I am working my way up to 400mg of topomax. I am at 250mg right now.
>
> Merry,
>
> Are you taking all the topomax at the same time?
> how fast are you increasing the dosage?
> when are you taking the topomax?
> kat
>I am taking 125mg in the morning and then the other at night. Tonight I will increase to 150mg. I felt better today. I went outside and watched colorful hotair balloons drift across the crisp morning sky and I smiled because it was beautiful. I was enjoying the morning outside of my house. :) merry
Posted by stresser on October 24, 2004, at 19:41:43
In reply to Re: topamx, posted by redscarlet on October 24, 2004, at 17:53:32
This is for everyone: Merry-Thanks for the fittoday.com, I will use it even if she doesn't, because it sounds too easy to keep track of how much protien I get.(I'm sure I don't get enough)
Kat: I will go out and buy the eye gel tonight or tomorrow, it sounds very hopeful that the eye thing will subside. As for M getting her mind on something else, I don't know. Every time I ask her what we can do, she says "I DONT KNOW", for everything. I ask her what she's substituting the food for, and same reply. It's like talking to a wall, and it's tearing my family apart. My husband is fed up with my being so worried about her, and want's me to stop? Yea, I can do that emediatly, right? I finally took half of one of my Klonipin's for anxiety, and it worked very well. I didn't feel groggy, just less anxious. Maybe I will do that when I feel I need too. I don't like relying on pills, and after what you said about ssri's, it re-enforces my wanting to be off them. Does the topamax help with your moods, and well a migraines and seizures? I'm wondering if that will be enough for M?Have a good evening, enjoy your furry friends! -L
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