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Posted by platinumbride on March 3, 2004, at 10:38:16
In reply to Lithium Orotate, posted by bruce_w6 on March 1, 2004, at 9:47:13
I am soooo sorry that I spoke about Lithium Orotate before I really knew waht I was talking about!
Apparently it is lithium, but not the prescribed kind and allegedly has no toxicity issues. Some say it is just as good as regular old lithium without the toxicity issues, and I THINK it requires no blood monitoring. ( I just talked to my doc about this last night)
D
Posted by Michael Motter on March 3, 2004, at 12:32:28
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate..oops!!!, posted by platinumbride on March 3, 2004, at 10:38:16
I am a psychology doctoral student at JMU. I wrote a paper on Lithium Orotate in my psychopharmacology class. I know some people who use it and was interested in what it was about. Yes it is Lithium but it is carried through your blood on a carrier called orotate. This carrier is suppossed to decrease the amount of lthium that enters your blood so you donot have to get your blood levels checked. However, it is debatable whether enough lithium actually enters the body to have any therapeutic effects. There is little research done Lithium orotate and and it is questionable whether it has any side effects.
If anyone would like a copy of my paper please email mottermx@jmu.edu
Posted by Toph on March 3, 2004, at 15:49:42
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate..oops!!! » platinumbride, posted by Michael Motter on March 3, 2004, at 12:32:28
Michael, does your research indicate how much litium orotate one would have to injest daily to obtain a therapeutic serum Li level of .5-1.5?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 4, 2004, at 1:53:40
In reply to Lithium Orotate, posted by bruce_w6 on March 1, 2004, at 9:47:13
> What is Lithium Orotate? Is it the same as Lithium?
I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding lithium orotate to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20040225/msgs/319995.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by bruce_w6 on March 5, 2004, at 12:22:55
In reply to Lamictal side effects, posted by seamus o'noolan on June 30, 2003, at 17:37:40
Is anyone taking this combo? I am up to 150 mg Lamictal and can't sleep well at night. I take my lamictal in the moring.
Posted by ginger C on March 5, 2004, at 13:01:32
In reply to Lamictal side Seroquel, posted by bruce_w6 on March 5, 2004, at 12:22:55
> Is anyone taking this combo? I am up to 150 mg Lamictal and can't sleep well at night. I take my lamictal in the moring.
I have been taking this combination for about a month now and if anything the seroquel seems to make me drowsy. Maybe the lamictal by itself is not controling completely your manic side of the illness and that is where the insomnia is comming in?
Posted by bruce_w6 on March 5, 2004, at 13:31:34
In reply to Re: Lamictal side Seroquel, posted by ginger C on March 5, 2004, at 13:01:32
Do you take it for sleep at night and how much?
> > Is anyone taking this combo? I am up to 150 mg Lamictal and can't sleep well at night. I take my lamictal in the moring.
>
> I have been taking this combination for about a month now and if anything the seroquel seems to make me drowsy. Maybe the lamictal by itself is not controling completely your manic side of the illness and that is where the insomnia is comming in?
>
Posted by jstrick1 on March 24, 2004, at 11:19:31
In reply to Lamictal side effects, posted by seamus o'noolan on June 30, 2003, at 17:37:40
Folks,
I'm hoping for some insight in how to proceed. I began Lamictal slowly, starting at 25 mg and moving up to 75 mg over the course of 3 weeks, at which time I began having some significant gastric distress: generalized discomfort, bloating, and flatulence. My shrink suggested that this was one reaction common to the class of "mood stabilizers"/anti-convulsants, and though I'd not had the same response to others of this class, it meant that I couldn't tolerate Lamictal because of its impact on the "neural network" of the gastric system. Moreover, it was something that wouldn't get better over time. Anyone else having similar responses? Any suggestions? Does my shrink make sense?
Thanks,
Scott
Posted by ginger C on March 24, 2004, at 11:54:20
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects, posted by jstrick1 on March 24, 2004, at 11:19:31
Your shrink makes perfect sense I had some trouble with my stomach after starting lamictal and still have some very loose stool. However, the lamictal does such a good job of stableizing my moods that my doc and I decided that it was worth putting up with the loose stool.
Posted by katia on March 24, 2004, at 13:07:52
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects, posted by ginger C on March 24, 2004, at 11:54:20
anyone tried this combo? I'm on Trileptal now and just started on Lam. to help w/ my depressions. I cannot tolerate ADs. Anyone had relief from depression and overall general wellness on this combo?
Thanks-
Katia
Posted by bruce_w6 on March 25, 2004, at 21:22:19
In reply to Lamictal side effects, posted by seamus o'noolan on June 30, 2003, at 17:37:40
I am up to 250 mg of Lamictal. I also take Lithium Orotate. My depression is better but I have mind racing, especially when trying to sleep or when I wake up. I take 12.5 mg Seroquel for sleep (works great). Will the mind racing stop when I reach my desired dose of Lamictal?
Posted by katia on March 26, 2004, at 2:13:24
In reply to Lamictal And Mind Racing, posted by bruce_w6 on March 25, 2004, at 21:22:19
Hey Bruce,
Don't know that I can help you with the answer about mind racing. But we're on similar meds. I take about 12.5mg of Seroquel for sleep too. I have done off and on, as needed, since July. I am again starting Lamictal. I'm at 12.5mg of Lam. too. just for a few days then to 25mg. I'm also on Trileptal. Are you on anything else? Maybe an add-on mood stabilizer may help.
Katia
BPII
Posted by bruce_w6 on March 26, 2004, at 8:49:51
In reply to Re: Lamictal And Mind Racing » bruce_w6, posted by katia on March 26, 2004, at 2:13:24
Hi,
I am on some vitamins, fish oils & lithium Orotate. I'm not on any other mood stabelizers. I see the pdoc on Monday and I hope he has some ideas. The mind racing drives me crazy. I can't sleep without 12.5 Seroquil.
> Hey Bruce,
> Don't know that I can help you with the answer about mind racing. But we're on similar meds. I take about 12.5mg of Seroquel for sleep too. I have done off and on, as needed, since July. I am again starting Lamictal. I'm at 12.5mg of Lam. too. just for a few days then to 25mg. I'm also on Trileptal. Are you on anything else? Maybe an add-on mood stabilizer may help.
> Katia
> BPII
Posted by Dalilah on March 26, 2004, at 13:06:24
In reply to Re: Lamictal And Mind Racing, posted by bruce_w6 on March 26, 2004, at 8:49:51
Hey Bruce,
I am on what I think is close to what you are on - 300mg of Lamictal, 900mg regular Lithium, and 50mg Seroquel to sleep (I started at 12.5mg three years ago.) The sad thing is I'm totally depressed AGAIN. I admit it's not as bad as it has been in the past, but it's pretty bad.My doctor has added 40mg of Geodon which makes me feel like I'm crawling out of my skin and I hate the world. I can't decide what I hate more - this disease or everyone in the world. Yep, that's where I'm at.
Has anyone else experienced the joy of Geodon?
-Dalilah
> Hi,
>
> I am on some vitamins, fish oils & lithium Orotate. I'm not on any other mood stabelizers. I see the pdoc on Monday and I hope he has some ideas. The mind racing drives me crazy. I can't sleep without 12.5 Seroquil.
>
> > Hey Bruce,
> > Don't know that I can help you with the answer about mind racing. But we're on similar meds. I take about 12.5mg of Seroquel for sleep too. I have done off and on, as needed, since July. I am again starting Lamictal. I'm at 12.5mg of Lam. too. just for a few days then to 25mg. I'm also on Trileptal. Are you on anything else? Maybe an add-on mood stabilizer may help.
> > Katia
> > BPII
>
>
Posted by skaterdude on March 29, 2004, at 12:36:46
In reply to Re: Lamictal And Mind Racing, posted by Dalilah on March 26, 2004, at 13:06:24
I am SO GLAD to have discovered this board. I have been diagnosed with mild bi-polar, and depression. I was on Luvox for two years, which did nothing except make me sleepy and gain weight.
I'm now on Lamictal, 100mg, and Lexapro 15mg. The Lamictal is making my mind race, I can't sit still, I've lost weight, and I am manic. The Lexapro is supposed to counter act this.
Anyone on here with this combination? Any solutions on how to stop the anxiousness caused by the Lamictal?
Posted by amy_oz on March 29, 2004, at 21:34:46
In reply to Re: Lamictal And Mind Racing, posted by skaterdude on March 29, 2004, at 12:36:46
Hi,
I don't know where your pdoc is coming from but Lexapro will not and cannot stop your mind racing from Lamictal. Lamictal is a antidepressant/mood stabilizer and lots of people need another mood stabilizer to stop going manic. eg lithium, valproate (depakote/epilim) etc.....Lexapro is a straight out antidepressant. it is not a mood stabilizer.
I suggest you go back to your doctor (or get a new one) and try and go on another moodstabilizer.
Lithium + Lamictal works well for many people with mild bipolar/bipolar 2.
Good luck
Amy
Posted by Geoffrey Ruch on April 19, 2004, at 22:43:46
In reply to Re: BP2, FMS, and seroquel here » BarbaraCat, posted by Sabina on September 29, 2003, at 0:45:44
Hello,
Does anyone here understand the biochemical mode of action for Seroquel (as well as for Zyprexa, Risperdal, etc)?
Geoffrey
Posted by katia on April 20, 2004, at 2:18:03
In reply to Re: mode of action of Seroquel (+ other antipsycs) » Sabina, posted by Geoffrey Ruch on April 19, 2004, at 22:43:46
Bon question Geoffrey mon ami!
anyone with anything better to say than me?
Katia
Posted by Keith Talent on April 22, 2004, at 23:48:22
In reply to Re: mode of action of Seroquel (+ other antipsycs) » Geoffrey Ruch, posted by katia on April 20, 2004, at 2:18:03
The old antipsychotics worked by antagonising dopamine 2 receptors. Haloperidol is much cleaner than things like chlorpromazine, which is very dirty, in that it has anticholinergic and antihistaminergic effects as well (and probably others too) which cause bad side effects. The newer antipsychotics block dopamine 2, but also serotonin 2 receptors, which greatly relieves anxiety. It may also be why the newer drugs don't seem to cause movement disorders (tardive dyskinesia) with long-term use. Aripiprazole (Abilify) is, I understand, unique in that it is a dopamine receptor partial agonist - so if there is hardly any dopamine being released into the synapse, the drug will provide a certain amount of stimulation. If there's a lot of dopamine, trying to stimulate the dopamine receptors, the Abilify will kind of put an upper limit to how much the dopamine can bind to, and agonise, the dopamine receptors. This is important because it is believed that in schizophrenia, there are brain regions with too little dopaminergic activity (associated with negative symptoms) and regions with overactivity (associated with positive symptoms). I don't know anything about Seroquel specifically.
Posted by AMD on May 2, 2004, at 18:27:15
In reply to Lamictal And Mind Racing, posted by bruce_w6 on March 25, 2004, at 21:22:19
I have a feeling that started upon beginning a new medication, but I'm not sure what it's called.
This might sound silly to some, but basically I find myself wanting to put my head down, as if I were looking at the ground. Almost as if I get 'relief' by my brain being turned upside down. It's so weird! I don't think it's vertigo because I don't feel dizzy, per se. But then I do feel a little 'off' when my head level, as if I were looking straight ahead. Along with it I feel a bit tired and 'out of it'.
Anyhow... I've noticed this for a few days when I've been at the computer. It's not just drowsiness though ... what IS this!?
Posted by Rachel Terese on May 4, 2004, at 22:52:46
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » Dalilah, posted by Flipsactown on January 16, 2004, at 20:33:04
I'm on 100mg of lamictal for bipolar. I've never felt so depressed in my entire life. I can't stop crying and think things will never get better. I am scared of waking up and feeling this way. Has anyone had this side effect with lamitcal? I can't handle it anymore and feel like nothing will ever be the same. Help!!
Posted by Sad Panda on May 5, 2004, at 13:20:22
In reply to Lamictal and depression, posted by Rachel Terese on May 4, 2004, at 22:52:46
> I'm on 100mg of lamictal for bipolar. I've never felt so depressed in my entire life. I can't stop crying and think things will never get better. I am scared of waking up and feeling this way. Has anyone had this side effect with lamitcal? I can't handle it anymore and feel like nothing will ever be the same. Help!!
>
>Hi Rachel,
Before Lamictal was your mood up & down? Is it now stabilised? It might be time to go back to your doctor & get an antidepressant added, I would certainly visit your doc ASAP & let him know how miserable you feel.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by jstrick1 on May 10, 2004, at 0:15:35
In reply to Lamictal side effects, posted by seamus o'noolan on June 30, 2003, at 17:37:40
I've posted regarding this before, but got no response. Both times I've tried Lamictal, I've developed sever neurological distress in my upper GI and stomach. Once it was at the 75 mg point, and not at the beginning stages. Please, is there anyone out there who has had similar responses? If so, what happened?
Thanks
Posted by T_R_D on May 10, 2004, at 13:28:26
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects, posted by jstrick1 on May 10, 2004, at 0:15:35
>Both times I've tried Lamictal, I've developed a >severe neurological distress in my upper GI and >stomach.
Hi there, I'm not quite sure what you mean by neurological distress in your UGI and stomach. Was it determined that the vagus nerve (or other branches/filaments) was not functioning or not functioning correctly?
I have never heard of any psych med affecting vagus nerve function but I suppose anything is possible since they do act upon our brain/CNS.
If you are simply referring to organ distress I had a bit of an upset stomach when I first began Lamictal but it worked itself out after about a week or two.
Let me know if I'm on the right track here.
Karen
Posted by katia on May 10, 2004, at 13:35:08
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects, posted by jstrick1 on May 10, 2004, at 0:15:35
> I've posted regarding this before, but got no response. Both times I've tried Lamictal, I've developed sever neurological distress in my upper GI and stomach. Once it was at the 75 mg point, and not at the beginning stages. Please, is there anyone out there who has had similar responses? If so, what happened?
>
> Thanks
I did have some stomach/GI problems when taking/starting Lam. I had to stop it after 6 or so weeks due to the irritability. But there were so many other influences - like new diet, buying a house, drinking wine too frequently, that I'm not sure what was what.
Katia
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