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Posted by zinya on November 23, 2003, at 12:28:01
In reply to Re: Day 2 of No Effexor XR - to Samadhi and » Chellie, posted by zinya on November 20, 2003, at 17:49:47
Greetings, all,
(first of all i'm po'd -- i just wrote this whole post and then this website totally swallowed it up, sending me to a screen saying i hadn't entered my name on my post -- something that is *supposed* to be done automatically when you enter a reply post or at least has been done automatically ever since i started here -- so it told me to go back and add my name but when i then back-page to the screen, it was TOTALLY blank, message gone - and even this new usually-annoying extra screen we now get that says it has preserved our unsent message was ALSO blank -- so here i go again - once more with now a po'd feeling atop the one i started off here with 15 min. ago -- So i'm warning you all to make sure you see your name and password in the reply boxes before you start posting or you might be posting in vain as i was -- and SOMEBODY from p-b ought to check out this new glitch!)
okay, so once more with feeling (aaargh):
A friend of mine (who i met via this website) is reading a book -- at the same time she's starting Paxil -- which she's told me enough about that i looked for it on amazon last night ... After getting a bunch of extra info on the book, i decided to try amazon's new (AMAZING) feature where you can search for any word in any book they sell (they've apparently scanned in every page of every book!?!?!!!) ... So i typed in Effexor and got the following ref from pg 178-179 of the book:
1. on Page 178:
"... replete with the above facts and references. I recommend them to you for the sake of your own mental health. Effexor, the newest antidepressant drug, blocks the reuptake of not just serotonin but norepinephine as well. Effexor was described in Psychiatric News, on February 4, 1994, as "Prozac with a Punch" – but Dr. Breggin [author of Talking Back to Prozac] notes that cocaine and amphetamine also block serotonin and norepinephine. In addition, he reminds us that they block the reuptake of domamine, so cocaine and amphetamine could well be marketed simply as "Prozac with a Double Punch!The next page – 179 – goes on to elaborate how to instead take amino acid supplements – either for tryptophan or phenylalinine or tyrosine – and goes on apparently to explain how you can decide which one is linked to your symptoms ...
You can go there for yourself (and this new system allows you to read 5 pages surrounding the word you search for) and it offered some real insights to me about what we're dealing with here regarding Effexor and the brain chemistry it's supposed to "fix") by pasting in the following URL (or by going to the book for yourself there - see below - and then doing the word search for yourself off of the amazon book site):
The book itself (and some of the amazon info about it for those of you who might not be feeling up to the energy to even go to amazon right now):
"Depression-Free, Naturally: 7 Weeks to Eliminating Anxiety, Despair, Fatigue, and Anger from Your Life"
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Editorial ReviewsFrom Publishers Weekly
Larson, author of the bestselling Seven Weeks to Sobriety, believes that many doctors misdiagnose nutritional imbalances as psychological disorders. She argues that most people who are depressed, fatigued or addicted to food, cigarettes or alcohol suffer from a deficiency of vitamins or amino acids that is only exacerbated by drugs like Xanax, Prozac and lithium. Larson provides checklists of symptoms, possible disorders and corrective formulas along with simple but thorough explanations of how the biochemistry works. She plausibly links biochemical emotional problems with the gradual shift in the American diet over the past 60 years toward sugary, carbohydrate-laden and processed foods, which disturb the body's insulin production and deprive the brain of much needed vitamins and nutrients. The author urges readers to seek out doctors to run lab tests in order to identify possible deficiencies, blood-sugar abnormalities and food allergies. Occasionally, Larson's advice gets lost in her sales pitch for her Health Recovery Center in Minnesota ("The nutrients used at Health Recovery Center are the best quality we can find"). Still, anyone who has suffered from mental lapses, mood swings and stress will find plenty to mull over here. Author tour. (Nov.)
Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.From Library Journal
Larson, a nutritionist and director of the Health Recovery Center in Minneapolis, contends that an imbalance of body chemicals often causes emotional problems and that making appropriate dietary changes will restore the brain's equilibrium. In addition to suggesting which foods to avoid or to eat, Larson provides lists of supplements to be taken on a daily basis and numerous questionnaires for detecting deficiencies. The long list of recommended supplements promotes extensive pill-popping, and there are regular reminders that those available from the Health Recovery Center at their 800-number are "the best quality." Larson's advice about the value of nutritional repair for depression and other emotional woes is sound, but with no clarification, her jargon is often confusing, e.g., "Symptoms indicating tyrosine or 1-phenylalanine is needed to increase norespinephine levels." The final chapter on anti-aging hormones seems somewhat out of place. Appropriate for larger public libraries.AIlse Heidmann, San Marcos, TX
Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.Book Description
Many of you who appear to have life under control are simply great actors. Underneath you live with inner tensions, anxiety or panic states, feelings of hopelessness or paranoia, racing thoughts, ongoing anger, bone-weary fatigue. . . . The good news is that all this is fixable.
What is the best treatment for ongoing depression, mood swings, exhaustion, and anxiety? Psychotherapy? Prescription drugs? Or is there a natural way that works better and is safer, faster, and cheaper? There is, and now Joan Mathews Larson, Ph.D., the brilliant nutritionist who founded Minnesota's esteemed Health Recovery Center, offers her revolutionary formulas for healing your emotions--biochemically. Twenty years of working with both addicted and nonaddicted patients has shown Larson that unhealthy and unstable moods are the result of the chemistry of our physical brains and are not psychological in origin. When you feed your imbalanced brain what it craves--the key essential fatty acids (EFAs), natural mind-body hormones, and the right amino acids--most mood swings, depressions, anxiety, and other upsets will disappear, even if they have a genetic basis.
Through proven all-natural formulas, Seven Weeks to Emotional Healing will help you find the emotional stability and well-being you've been missing your entire life. Inside you'll discover how to
- Screen yourself for emotional and behavioral symptoms
- Recognize the mental and physical clues that indicate biochemical imbalances
- Find an open-minded health practitioner
- Eat the right foods for optimal mental fitness
Dr. Larson also provides her unique anti-aging formula that restores sexual function, rejuvenates the immune system, elevates mood and energy levels, reduces stress, and expands your life span!
Seven Weeks to Emotional Healing is both responsible and effective--and gives you the tools you need to find lasting emotional health and contentment for the first time in your life.
--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
About the AuthorJoan Mathews Larson, Ph.D., is the author of the national bestseller Seven Weeks to Sobriety. She holds a doctorate in nutrition and is the founder and executive director of the highly esteemed Health Recovery Center in Minneapolis. It was the loss of her seventeen-year-old son to suicide that fueled her search for more effective solutions to emotional healing. Her clinic has now successfully treated several thousand people over a twenty-year period. She lives in Minneapolis..
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Spotlight Reviews
5 of 5 people found the following review helpful:I'd Buy a Truckload, February 22, 2003
Reviewer: Geri Lennon from Dutch Flat, CA United States My nephew turned me onto this book. He said, "Aunt Geri, if I had the money, I'd buy a truckload of this book, stand on a corner, and give them away." After reading and re reading "Depression Free Naturally", I agree. This book could save many lives. With all the hype for dumbing down feel good prescriptions, what a fabulous alternative. Dr. Mathews-Larson has written an extremely important and helpful book for ANYONE who has ever felt depressed or any of the mood swings that accompany life as it is today. I have given several copies away, and will continue to do so. It is the GIF of a lifetime. AND, it is clearly written and interesting for the non medical person. It has changed my life and how I look at nutrition and moods. Thanks, Dr. Larson!9 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
Mis-Named, August 30, 2002
Reviewer: alice clark from Atlanta, Georgia United States This book offers some excellent nutritional advice in dealing with physical illnesses that mimic the symptoms of depression. It also addresses dietary factors that would lead your body to exibit depressive symptoms.
This book however does not live up to its title. It fails to throughly and accurately take into account the different types and degrees of depression.
This book gives great ideas of things to try and questions to ask you doctor in regards to things that might need to be ruled out however this is not a good resource as to how to manage depression. A book which was more helpful was The Feeling Good Handbook.
All Customer Reviews
Avg. Customer Review: 3-1/2 stars (out of 5)3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
From a depressive's standpoint, useful book., July 23, 2003
Reviewer: A reader from Oakton, VA United States As someone who has suffered from major depression for nearly 20 years, I read the book quickly and was excited and encouraged by the information therein. The author addresses in part the ramifications of long-term poor nutrition and eating habits and provides numerous screening tests for the reader to determine where he/she may be suffering. As I took the screening tests and read the chapters, I found myself identifying with nearly everything I read and could readily accept the fact that years of malnutrition may be at least partly to blame for my current severe state of depression.Yes, the book suggests megadoses of vitamins, minerals and amino acids, and that can be hard to swallow (literally)! And costly. But you have to go through the book and try to determine what might work best for you. The author also suggests some dietary changes based on how quickly you turn food into energy and your blood type, and of course she espouses regular, consistent exercise. After a short time following her guidelines (as best I can) and cutting out sugar, caffeine, and dairy, I feel better than I have in a long time. Am I cured of my depression? Of course not! That's going to take a long time and I have no doubt that in the future I will have to be ever-vigilant against future relapses. But as of today, at least, I feel less sad, hopeless and unfocused and I credit the book (and my therapy sessions and medications) with contributing to that improvement.
6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
May be helpful for mild depression, March 26, 2003
Reviewer: Dave from Washington, DC This book does have the feel of a late night infomercial, filled with statements to pep you up and get you going. I actually don't think that's such a bad attitude for the author to have, especially if the reader is depressed and trying to recover. When you get past the hype, what's left? Well, it does have a good deal of dietary and lifestyle adjustments that will be of use to many people. There is definitely substance here. However, if you suffer from moderate to severe depression or anxiety, I doubt that the suggestions in this book will be enough. Sometimes medication is necessary for complete recovery. Nonetheless, worth a read regardless of the severity of your depression or anxiety. Avery Z. Conner, author of "Fevers of the Mind".2 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
The title tells all..., March 24, 2003
Reviewer: A reader from Oak Ridge, TN United States The pretentiousness and shoddiness of this book are made clear from the title. The very idea that we can become completely free of depression is itself problematic, given that we have so much trouble defining it. The textbook says depression begins when five of nine depressive symptoms are experienced. But what is magic about five from nine? Depression is hard to distinguish, moreover, from grief: persons are prescribed anti-depressants for such grief all the time. "Naturally" suggests another harmful implication of the book: that medications should have the stigma of "artificiality." Naturalness means little. Many things native to nature kill you, and we have the godgiven intelligence to alter the way our brains work. Again, depression cannot be eliminated, nor would we want to submit to the kind of mindless drabness that life would be like without ever feeling a bit of it. This book portends to be a crusade against the mindlessness of drug therapy. Whatever the excesses of anti-depressants may or may not be, this book substitutes a linguistic for a psychological mindlessness. More, it is complicit in the mindlessness of wanting to eliminate pain.
7 of 14 people found the following review helpful:Credibility suffers with style!, December 8, 2001
Reviewer: hkremer from Alexandria, VA USA I bought the book this week but I found that I could not get past all of the exclamation points!!! which made it seem like an infomercial hawking the Center and the book itself. There seems to be plenty of solid advice but the constant insult of exclamation points made it impossible for me to take seriously.19 of 21 people found the following review helpful:
This book has something for EVERYONE!, August 2, 2001
Reviewer: Laura from Phoenix, AZ United States I highly recommend this book! First, it's a book that covers a lot of aspects of common problems (ie. hypoglycemia). It's set up with tests to see if an area is a problem for you. It explained in detail why it's so important to eat healthy (your sanity depends on it). In the last 5 weeks, my depression has improved considerably, I'm not nearly as tired as I was before and I feel better about myself overall. I've recommended it to many of my friends.17 of 17 people found the following review helpful:
This book provides life giving information!, November 4, 2000
Reviewer: katetate524 from debary, florida United States I read this book and followed all the suggestions and it worked for me. It was simple and the book supplies you with a real live clinic and staff to help and get the vitamins to you! I also went to my Physician armed with the book and he took me off the anti-depression medicine and wrote a prescription for L-tryptophan. As the book says L-tryptophan is the only substance known to man that can increase serotonin or I should say replace lost serotonin. Read it and then live it. It really can change your life. I recommend it to many people and so does my Doctor. He is amazed!40 of 40 people found the following review helpful:
Solutions for Restoring Emotional Stability, That Work, November 23, 1999
Reviewer: nancy tremewan from Minneapolis, MN I found it to be a well researched book with scientific, NON-DRUG solutions for depression, and anxiety that are working for me. I like the fact that the author developed and tested all of these formulas at a clinic in real life situations. If you have been disappointed with the effectiveness of drugs in solving your health problems, you will be delighted with the results from this logical approach.11 of 51 people found the following review helpful:
If you're into mega doses of vitamins, several times a day.., November 16, 1999
Reviewer: A reader from Pittsburgh, PA USA I bought this book on Friday, read it over the weekend, andreturned it on Monday. I just can't see tying myself to takingmegadoses of expensive vitamins several times a day - just trying to remember when to take what would be stressful! There were a few goods points, which is why I gave the book one star, but for the most part I was totally unimpressed. Also, some of the recommendations were disturbing - tryptophan is available only by prescription for a reason. Save your money!
Posted by camel on November 23, 2003, at 12:33:42
In reply to Re: Anone having good results from Effexor XR?, posted by Sooty on November 23, 2003, at 10:08:17
UNFORTUNATELY...I LOVE to cook and LOVE food....had a HUGE weight prob when I was younger but lost about 150lbs and have been able to maintain(somewhat!!) that weight until this summer.....I'm not really that heavy...still wearing my size 10's but I can feel it. Gotta keep at it and HOPE we can prevail!!!!
Posted by thelder on November 24, 2003, at 1:17:51
In reply to Re: Anone having good results from Effexor XR?, posted by camel on November 23, 2003, at 12:33:42
My experience has been bad and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
I started Effexor XR due to insomnia and possible depression. I don't think it was real depression, just a few bad events in a row that would get anyone a little down.
I didn't feel any changes, positive or negative, as I went on Effexor so the Dr increased my dosage several times up to 150 with no results other than "sexual side effects". For me, sexual side effects meant I had trouble achieving orgasm and when I did it was weak (I'm male).
Because I had no positive benefits and I was skeptical about the need for Effexor in the first palce, I told the Dr I wanted off it. I went from 150 to 75, 37.5 to taking capsuls apart and pouring out half or more. Every time I have gone below about 16, I started to feel light headed, dizzy, strange sensations in my face and lips, irritation and trouble concentrating. When I started taking Effexor again the symtoms went away.
I've been off of Effexor for 3 days and have felt aweful most of the time. I hoped the symptoms would disappear quickly, but after reading other posts it looks like withdraw may get worse for quite a while before it gets better.
Bottom line - before you start Effexor, read as much as you can about withdraw. Unless you plan to be on it for the rest of your life, you'll eventually have to face whatever problems withdraw causes in your particular case.
Posted by theBlacksword on November 24, 2003, at 10:58:05
In reply to Re: Anone having good results from Effexor XR? NO!, posted by thelder on November 24, 2003, at 1:17:51
I started Effexor XR due to anxiety that was causing insomnia. I had insomnia since I was in high school, its been about 6 years. Now I'm 21 and in university. I've been failing my courses due to fatigue and trouble concentrating because of insomnia.
I didn't feel any changes, positive or negative changes when my dosage was up to 150. But when the dosage was at 225mg, I felt much better but still had trouble sleeping because I think the effect of Effexor had diminish at night because I take the pills in the morning. Now I take Effexor maybe at around 5 p.m. . I still sleep lightly but im trying to improve that by doing a lot of sports, exercises and maybe trying to meditate. I try to clear my mind and not have any expectations in whatsoever.
The good thing is that I don't have any side effects at all even when I increased my dosage to 300. Ive been taking effexor for 1 month and a half.
The doctor never warned me about withdrawal... But im thinking about taking effexor for about another 3 months and stop directly like I did with paxil last year when i took 20 mg for about 2 months(didnt work at all!). The other doctor that gave me paxil said it wasnt addictive at all! haha
Posted by MamaCindy2000 on November 24, 2003, at 11:29:38
In reply to Feeling not like myself, posted by lacey2001 on November 22, 2003, at 12:47:17
I felt the same way. Couldnt sleep at night. Napped daily. Extreme tiredness. I live very close to work. At lunch I would go home to sleep.
It took everything to stay awake durring the day. When I started napping in the bathroom (at work), I should have known it was the wrong med for me. DUH!!!
Best Wishes,
Cindy
Posted by gt7997a on November 24, 2003, at 12:53:18
In reply to Re: Anone having good results from Effexor XR? NO!, posted by theBlacksword on November 24, 2003, at 10:58:05
Back in January, I was put on Effexor XR to try to overcome anxiety, that had just entered my life. I too had horrible insomnia, to the point where I was completely exhausted.
Anyway, I found that the effexor did not initially help. What helped more than anything else, has been a small dosage of Zyprexa. Zyprexa at larger doses is used for schizoprehnia and so is labeled an anti-pyschotic. If this scares you, then you are like me.
I was very nervous about this. But, keep in mind that some docs prescribe this at small doses for obsessing and for sleeping. I would recommend you look into taking this drug until you've caught up on sleep. Essentially, it will slow your brain down at night. Once you fall asleep (which can be the hard part) it will keep you asleep. I first took it with a small dose of ambien to put me asleep.
Anyway, best of luck.
Posted by jayt243 on November 24, 2003, at 16:26:35
In reply to Re: Anone having good results from Effexor XR? NO!, posted by gt7997a on November 24, 2003, at 12:53:18
Has anyone here had success taking effexor for social anxiety disorder? I have had social phobia my whole life, but it got alot worse the past 2 years. this has also caused some depression which is getting worse the past few weeks. i just got a perscription for effexor, but after reading alot of the experiences here i'm a little afraid to take it, especially with the withdrawal symptoms... i don't want to be on this drug forever. i'm really not into taking drugs to fix my problems... i was on wellbutrin 2 times in 1999 and 2001 and it worked the first time but i hated it the 2nd time. i guess i'm just a little wary about trying another drug.
Posted by maxx44 on November 24, 2003, at 17:11:15
In reply to Re: Break Through Panic Attacks?, posted by pekostar on November 21, 2003, at 21:38:04
youe dr. is following the recent track on benzos. wish my 'harvard hot-shot' had that wisdom 10 years ago. it's apparenently still harvard's position that librium is safe, even daily--bs, unless they've changed their mind very recently. a key factor seems duration of use. i think .5 mg xanax=10 of valium. as you don't mention frequency of use, key factor, i would think your dr. is considering the duration. 10 years=long time, and benzos do effect each client both similarly and uniquely---i know some that use .5/month, seems safe---some recovered long-term use people carry a small dose---this seems to help them forestall panic. years before being put on librium i was on .5/day for a year---sudden cessation gave me 5 days of insomnia, but sleep was restored by a few mellaril only, no subsequent use, and panic did not resume for 6 years, under severe stress. for a year i had frequent 'disabling' attacks that left me a 'vibrating' immobile person, sometimes for hours. so i was dxd 'chronic' and put on 50-75mgs librium/day. looking back, i wish i had taken the panic over the cure. i've always had periodic anxiety and when young suffered a hiatal hernia and cardiac (esophogeal?) sphincter trauma from a surfing accident. these seem to make panic more intense. in sum, i think your dr. wise. benzos are so insidious, and drs. so erudite, depending on 'the book' and drug co. hype vs. 'personally experienced' data, she probably just wants to watch you a bit. smart move. you may wish to search dr. heather ashton's sites, her address to the british guv on the benzo problem in britain is very interesting. best wishes
Posted by KimberlyDi on November 24, 2003, at 17:12:03
In reply to effexor for social anxiety disorder?, posted by jayt243 on November 24, 2003, at 16:26:35
Jayt:
I've been shy my entire lifetime. Perhaps an undiagnosed social phobic. I did notice that (while on Effexor) I smiled more at strangers and took an interest in the people around me. I started conversations while waiting in line at stores (unheard of previously) and enjoyed it. I didn't feel isolated in crowds. I actually felt like I belonged to the same species.It was a wonder-drug for me except that it raised my blood pressure. I would still be on it today, if it weren't for that fact.
I would try Paxil or Lexapro before Effexor though. Effexor withdrawal can take some serious planning to keep your work and home-life responsibilities fulfilled.
Good Luck!
KDi in TX> Has anyone here had success taking effexor for social anxiety disorder? I have had social phobia my whole life, but it got alot worse the past 2 years. this has also caused some depression which is getting worse the past few weeks. i just got a perscription for effexor, but after reading alot of the experiences here i'm a little afraid to take it, especially with the withdrawal symptoms... i don't want to be on this drug forever. i'm really not into taking drugs to fix my problems... i was on wellbutrin 2 times in 1999 and 2001 and it worked the first time but i hated it the 2nd time. i guess i'm just a little wary about trying another drug.
Posted by sasha71 on November 24, 2003, at 18:15:33
In reply to ------------------Sleeping in the bathroom at work » lacey2001, posted by MamaCindy2000 on November 24, 2003, at 11:29:38
LOL! OMG! I thought I was the only one who had this experience!
I fell asleep on the toilet and almost fell off the seat!!
I was so embarrassed when I realized I'd been in there for over 20 minutes and this particular bathroom was in a classroom so when i came out, I got all these weird looks for how long I'd been in there.
oh well.
Posted by Lynn O on November 24, 2003, at 23:00:23
In reply to Re: From Wellbutrin for Dep. and ADD to Effexor XR, posted by Sara T. on April 16, 2000, at 12:17:40
Hi,
Wellbutrin will not help the ADD much, and Effexor even less, but Effexor works very well for depression. It just may take away your desire for sex. - They all do that though, except Wellbutrin. I had NO problems coming off of Effexor slowly. Ritalin works better for me than any other meds. I've tried for ADHD-primarily inattentive.
Posted by camel on November 25, 2003, at 7:18:47
In reply to Re: From Wellbutrin for Dep. and ADD to Effexor XR, posted by Lynn O on November 24, 2003, at 23:00:23
I have to say that neither the Paxil nor the Effexor has diminished my desire for sex...actually quite the opposite! I have attributed that to my feeling better about myself...but the sex is great and I can't get enough!!! LOLOL
Posted by relax on November 25, 2003, at 9:00:57
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I have depression and want to go on Effexor. What dosage should I start with? Should I go on the regular or extended release? Is there an on-line pharmacy that offers great prices?
Relax
Posted by camel on November 25, 2003, at 9:05:35
In reply to Effexor - Dosage and Lowest Price, posted by relax on November 25, 2003, at 9:00:57
I started at 75 mg and after three weeks bumped it up to 150mg. This seems to be the perfect does for me. No noticeable side effects and relief of my depression.
Posted by jayt243 on November 25, 2003, at 9:47:18
In reply to Re: Effexor - Dosage and Lowest Price, posted by camel on November 25, 2003, at 9:05:35
and I think it made me feel worse :-( I've been feeling great the past couple days without any drugs but now I have a headache and I'm really tired and irritable and just want to get in bed and cry. Is it the effexor already or is it all psychological because I'm stressing about taking it? Is it ok for me not to want to take it anymore? Or should I just stick with it...
Posted by KimberlyDi on November 25, 2003, at 9:51:14
In reply to Effexor - Dosage and Lowest Price, posted by relax on November 25, 2003, at 9:00:57
The regular should be cheaper than the XR version. Also, the withdrawal problems seem to be mainly with the XR version.
I never had any withdrawal problems with Effexor Regular or (IR) Immediate Release as some folks call it.
KDi in TX
> I have depression and want to go on Effexor. What dosage should I start with? Should I go on the regular or extended release? Is there an on-line pharmacy that offers great prices?
>
> Relax
Posted by Salty_Dog on November 25, 2003, at 12:53:23
In reply to ------------------Sleeping in the bathroom at work » lacey2001, posted by MamaCindy2000 on November 24, 2003, at 11:29:38
> I felt the same way. Couldnt sleep at night. Napped daily. Extreme tiredness. I live very close to work. At lunch I would go home to sleep.
> It took everything to stay awake durring the day. When I started napping in the bathroom (at work), I should have known it was the wrong med for me. DUH!!!
> Best Wishes,
> Cindy
Sorry to hear your extreme tiredness. You could switch the time you take the meds by 12 hours, in step if you wish, then wait a few days and see if it makes a difference. The 'burn' curve for Efexor XR is not as flat as they led you to beleive.Good luck
Posted by Salty_Dog on November 25, 2003, at 13:02:02
In reply to Re: Anone having good results from Effexor XR? NO!, posted by gt7997a on November 24, 2003, at 12:53:18
> Back in January, I was put on Effexor XR to try to overcome anxiety, that had just entered my life. I too had horrible insomnia, to the point where I was completely exhausted.
>
> Anyway, I found that the effexor did not initially help. What helped more than anything else, has been a small dosage of Zyprexa. Zyprexa at larger doses is used for schizoprehnia and so is labeled an anti-pyschotic. If this scares you, then you are like me.
>
> I was very nervous about this. But, keep in mind that some docs prescribe this at small doses for obsessing and for sleeping. I would recommend you look into taking this drug until you've caught up on sleep. Essentially, it will slow your brain down at night. Once you fall asleep (which can be the hard part) it will keep you asleep. I first took it with a small dose of ambien to put me asleep.
>
> Anyway, best of luck.
I take Zyprexa 7.5 mg when needed to stop mania. The drug is also prescribed for Bi-Polar which has depression as a component of the disorder.How much do you take ?
Posted by Zellie on November 25, 2003, at 23:46:02
In reply to took my first effexor this morning..., posted by jayt243 on November 25, 2003, at 9:47:18
It is normal to feel worse at first, until your body adjusts to the medication. Each time your dose is increased until you reach the optimum dosage, you will likely experience a few side-effects. I found that these subsided almost entirely over time. It is helpful if your doc has you titrate up very slowwwwwly (my doc had me go 4 weeks on the lowest dose, then about 5 or 6 weeks on the next level, then about 8 weeks, and so on. I have been at 150 mg for many months now).
You may also experience an increase in depression at certain doses. I found for me that this was true, because the med seemed to work on my anxiety first. I discovered that, once the anxiety was reduced, it no longer was there to prod me through the depression. The anxiety had actually served a purpose previously. Once the Effexor reached 150 mg, I found that the anxiety, depression, and in my case, also the ADHD, were all substantially improved.
Everyone's body and experience is different. Some love Effexor (as I do), others hate it. For me, it is the first time in 42 years that I have been given my life. I am happier, more fun to be with, calmer, contented, not high-strung and rattled, less annoyed or irritable....I am very grateful.
Good luck. P.S. Utilize the net to gather as much info on your meds and on your condition as you can. Read recommended books on the matter. Get yourself as educated as you can. It will help tremendously for you to learn about what to expect. Moreover, be patient with the Effexor. It does not work right away, and may be months before it works optimally. My advice is, if you have no unbearable side-effects, then stick with it.
> and I think it made me feel worse :-( I've been feeling great the past couple days without any drugs but now I have a headache and I'm really tired and irritable and just want to get in bed and cry. Is it the effexor already or is it all psychological because I'm stressing about taking it? Is it ok for me not to want to take it anymore? Or should I just stick with it...
Posted by Zellie on November 26, 2003, at 0:01:53
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin?, posted by mdb1224 on November 20, 2003, at 12:29:58
I have now been on Effexor XR for over 6 months, and now that the doc is satisfied that my anxiety and depression are well controlled, he has taken steps to work more on my ADHD (Effexor helps somewhat with ADHD, but not a whole lot).
We tried Concerta first, but my body didn't like it at all (it is a methylphenidate product...a Ritalin base...and it made me very irritable, anxious and shakey). So I came off that, and he has now started me on Wellbutrin. Although it is not as effective as Ritalin or Dexadrine for ADHD, it does not make me agitated or anxious. It is too low a dose to discern whether it is helping the ADHD yet, but the only side-effects from it so far have been a slight headache and nausea, but only for the first day. It is too early yet to know how it will impact on the sex drive. I still take the Effexor XR (150 mg), which is very, very helpful to me. So far, taking Wellbutrin with it is not a problem.
Kindest regards,
Zellie
> > Has anyone tried this Wellbutrin alone without anything else? Did it help with your sex drive? And did it help with any of the symptoms of depression? What was the cost compared to Effexor XR?
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> > I am still having sleeping problems even with trying some of the ideas posted on here. I will ask my Dr if I should take Trazadone.
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> > I appreciate any input about Wellbutrin.
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> I just started Effexor as stated above and did take Wellbutrian a couple of years ago. I asked the Dr to go back on Wellbutrin and he said to try this.
> I'm not sure about the sex issues with this stuff yet, but I will say that I was on Prozac for a little bit and asked the Dr. for a change, because of sexual dysfunction and Wellbutrin really helped. The only side effect for me was breaking out on my back and shoulders. This, effexor stuff is really weird and I'm not sure what to think of it yet.
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Posted by jayt243 on November 26, 2003, at 14:09:17
In reply to Re: took my first effexor this morning... » jayt243, posted by Zellie on November 25, 2003, at 23:46:02
thanks alot for the reply :) I decided not to take it again this morning because yesterday I could barely get out of bed all day and when I did I just wandered around in a daze feeling really drugged. I've got a really busy few weeks with school right now and I figure it's not a great time to be adjusting to a new medicine... maybe I'll start taking it once the semester is over.
Posted by mdb1224 on November 26, 2003, at 14:28:28
In reply to Re: From Wellbutrin for Dep. and ADD to Effexor XR, posted by camel on November 25, 2003, at 7:18:47
> I have to say that neither the Paxil nor the Effexor has diminished my desire for sex...actually quite the opposite! I have attributed that to my feeling better about myself...but the sex is great and I can't get enough!!! LOLOL
Is Camel Boy or Girl? It seems to me to matter. As far as desire I think it is fine and ok for everyone, but the Big "O" is tougher than before as a male on E xr.
Posted by camel on November 26, 2003, at 14:39:59
In reply to Re: From Wellbutrin for Dep. and ADD to Effexor XR » camel, posted by mdb1224 on November 26, 2003, at 14:28:28
I am a woman.....camel is a play on my initials!LOLOL......I can't speak for a man(who would try to anyway!!!LOLOL) but for me I have had no sexual side effects whatsoever...the BIG "O" is even bigger! I wish it was so for everyone....but these drugs seem to effect each person differently.
Posted by Sooty on November 27, 2003, at 9:21:24
In reply to Re: From Wellbutrin for Dep. and ADD to Effexor XR » camel, posted by mdb1224 on November 26, 2003, at 14:28:28
> > I have to say that neither the Paxil nor the Effexor has diminished my desire for sex...actually quite the opposite! I have attributed that to my feeling better about myself...but the sex is great and I can't get enough!!! LOLOL
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> Is Camel Boy or Girl? It seems to me to matter. As far as desire I think it is fine and ok for everyone, but the Big "O" is tougher than before as a male on E xr.As a female on Effexor XR, I'd have to say that Effexor XR has increased my sexual desire. Formerly, Zoloft decreased it somewhat...but I considered that a good thing at the time because at my age (53) it was good to not be thinking about it so much. Now I am married...and it would still be good to not think about it so much because hubby is older and not as interested. :o)
Posted by barbie2000 on November 29, 2003, at 17:03:07
In reply to Re: starting effexor... keep posting.. success/dosage?, posted by lg on November 7, 1999, at 19:11:05
i started taking effexor 3 days ago. I have been completely out of it since then. I have slept all day everyday and have had zero interests in eating or anything else, including conversations or leaving the house. I don't think I'm going to take another dose - Did anyone else feel this way when they started? If so, when does it go away?
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