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Posted by clb149 on November 1, 2003, at 23:17:40
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by Harley66 on November 1, 2003, at 22:37:14
I believe the medical community is ignorant to the fundamental causes of eating disorders. Also there is a callous attitude that the person with the weight/eating problem should "just" exercise and eat less and that will solve the problem. Inability to comply demonstrates weakness and obstinence on the part of the patient.
I "fired" my last psychiatrist because I went there for help with an eating disorder and then gained 40 pounds. I got tired and frustrated of trying to explain my "symptoms" to someone (slender) who was preconceivably dead set with blaming it on some etherial unrelated behavior abnormality.
I don't see any of them volunteering to wear a 100 lb sack of sand around for a week just to sample the suffering of their patients during the low impact exercise of walking (or standing, or getting out of a chair).
Being heavy is depressing. That in turn causes one to eat to experience some form of pleasure. The pleasure connection and its ensuing biochemistry are one key element (that is not understood) in solving this dilema. Of course the pleasure causes guilt and weight gain which in turn causes you to feel bad and round and round it goes.
I wish I had the answer as I stare at my little pile of hershey kiss wrappers wishing now that I never consumed them and relieved that, at this moment I don't crave eating them.
Effexor was just another expensive failed experiment. One that I questioned from the outset but was rammed down the preverbial pharmaceutical pipeline. I have quit taking it outright for 2 days after weaning myself for the past two weeks. I was experiencing the brain and body "shocks" on my regular dosage and to miss a day was hell. Now, the shocks are here somewhat continually but they are lessening in intensity and frequency. It will pass. And eventually so will I, probably "prematurly" from the "side effects" of obesity. At least the cravings and related physical ailments will be gone. I am not going to rush it by mechanical means (ie suicide) though, in reality, that is precicely what I am doing, with food.
Sorry, I am not the harbinger of good cheer or hope. Best of fortune in your search.
Posted by Harley66 on November 2, 2003, at 12:06:52
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » Harley66, posted by clb149 on November 1, 2003, at 23:17:40
I also have problems with acid reflux where they have to stretch my esphogus. So I don't eat alot ..maybe once a day and don't have a sweet tooth. I don't go to a phych..my internist put me on the effexor.I have tried to go to a phych and they tell me I have my head on my shoulders. Problem is I don't...or just get so depressed. I am only 5'1 235lbs and beg my doc to help me get this weight off and the meds keep putting more on. She says"get your health under control first" Well damn I can barely get my socks on as is..and it's embarrassing so I get more depressed! I want to lose weight and get off the anti depressant but the second I try I get real low. Scares me to be off it.
Posted by yawnbob on November 2, 2003, at 20:22:56
In reply to Re: effexor and alcohol , posted by crazy canadian on October 28, 2003, at 20:20:52
I was drinking a six pack a day before I started Effexor just to "take the edge off". After I started I found the edge wasn't there anymore and I nearly stopped drinking altogether. I have to push myself to have a beer with my inlaws. I look at the bottles of bourbon and vodka in my kitchen and wonder when I'll ever finish them off.
Posted by Sadgurl on November 2, 2003, at 20:59:48
In reply to Re: effexor xr seems to have stopped working, posted by day8602 on October 24, 2003, at 22:37:33
I have been on Effexor XR for 3 years and a bit. I think it has stopped working but it is hard to tell because I am so used to feeling crappy. I tried to come off at the end of the summer and crashed hard. I went back on to my usual dose of 150mg and could function, but not feel particularly great or anything. I have been on 225mg for a week now and feel the same, but with the added bonus of anxiety. I don't know what to do. My doctor suggested the possibility of adding Welbutrin perhaps later on. I was wondering if anyone else has had it stop working, if this is common or what. Also, if anyone has also combined it with Welbutrin.
Thanks,
Lara
Posted by crazy canadian on November 3, 2003, at 0:42:48
In reply to Re: effexor and alcohol , posted by yawnbob on November 2, 2003, at 20:22:56
> I look at the bottles of bourbon and vodka in my kitchen and wonder when I'll ever finish them off.
>Guest dropped by over the weekend and brought wine and Vodka. I had one glass of wine and told them to take the vodka back home with them. I told them polielty that they can drink all they want and that I was trying to stop drinking.
I feel good... First weekend in a while I did not get in a fight with the wife.
Crazy...
Posted by HS on November 3, 2003, at 7:50:25
In reply to Re: effexor and alcohol , posted by crazy canadian on November 3, 2003, at 0:42:48
My psychiatrist put me on Effexor which made me EXTREMELY unwell (increased anxiety, manic episodes, insomnia, weight gain, constipation, etc) at 150 mg, then tried to tell me I was bipolar and wanted to put me on litium.
Finally went to see a really nice psycologist who immediately sent me to a neurologist - turns out I have temporal lobe epilepsy, which gives many of the same symptoms as GAD and tends to lead to depression. Turns out the Effexor had been making it worse, as all anti-depressents lower your seizure threshold.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am all in favour of antidepressants and certainly do not belong to the "sue them" fraternity we've been seeing here lately. The problem for me was a psychiatrist who didn't listen properly.
I am now on Topomax, which is an antiepileptic, but also works as a mood stabiliser. I am finding it extremely hard to cut out the last 9 mg of Effexor (I have to cut the tablets into quarters), but then I found Seroxat difficult as well. With Seroxat, I had to go on taking a miniscule dose for a couple of months before I could stop completely.
Obviously, I'm over the moon about a correct diagnosis after 33 years. And one of Topomax's side-effects is weight LOSS.
During this and previous depressions (all associated with traumatic events) I really needed medication, but I would have been totally lost without a good psyclogist.
Anyway, don't just allow the psychiatrist to put you down - you are the expert on you!
HS
Posted by Zellie on November 3, 2003, at 8:22:47
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by Harley66 on November 2, 2003, at 12:06:52
Wellbutrin does not have the side-effect of weight gain.
Also, anyone coming off Effexor must wean down extremely slowly to prevent nasty side-effects.
Effexor can be extremely helpful for some. For others, it's Wellbutrin that does it.
When titrating up in dose with an AD, it is common to feel worse at certain stages. Hang with it until the optimum dosage is reached. Many come off too soon because they think it's not working or they are getting worse. Keep with it, and at a higher dosage it may work wonders.
Once you are feeling well, you need not necessarily ever come off it. Too many physicians have a goal of getting their patients off the AD as soon as possible. For some, it ought to be a life-long regime, especially if the Depression has been ongoing, and if the initial onset was early in life (i.e. not necessarily circumstance-related depression). The Mayo Clinic on Depression is a book that may be a good resource.
Posted by Bryan_Smith on November 3, 2003, at 14:41:43
In reply to High Cholesterol and Effexor???, posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 20, 2003, at 14:41:22
My triglycerides are also extremely high, and I have suspected that it might be related to my use of Effexor. I would be interested in hearing whether anyone has any information about this.
Posted by Salty_Dog on November 3, 2003, at 22:49:43
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » Harley66, posted by clb149 on November 1, 2003, at 23:17:40
I thank you for sharing.
I believe Effexor XR messes with the Thyroid in some manner causing un-explainable problems with our weight. In some causes it allows weight gain even if we eat the same amount of food. In other cases it drops weight even while trying to eat the same.In my case it has resulted in 30 lbs weight gain, but I crave sugar/carbo's. It has slowed down and I no longer go out of my way to eat carbo's. For about three weeks I would eat a full quart of 'Rainbow Sherbet' evey night. Now, the same quart has been sitting in the freezer for a full week.
The big change for me, was getting a job. For some reason, I have lost my lust for sugar, if anything, I am under eating.
I am currently at 600 mg Effexor XR. I will be dropping to 450 mg for a week and then 300 mg for another week. After that I will drop in 75 mg increments, once again a week at a time.If it messes with my job I will revert to 600 mg as I have no room for that kind of behavour at work.
Please, wish me luck.
Good luck to you in your adventures, remember, the next miracle could be just around the corner.
I am/was a serious scuba diver and I remember a story which tells it all.
A cave diver had lost his way and was running out of air (gas), so he decided that he would write a note to his loved ones as his last act.
The cave diver was found by the search party 30 feet from the opening to the cave where he had placed emergency air (gas) tanks.Don't give up.
Posted by Salty_Dog on November 3, 2003, at 23:00:25
In reply to Re: High Cholesterol and Effexor??? » Sufferfromeffexor, posted by Bryan_Smith on November 3, 2003, at 14:41:43
> My triglycerides are also extremely high, and I have suspected that it might be related to my use of Effexor. I would be interested in hearing whether anyone has any information about this.
I hope you don't drink alcohol becaus that would be one of fastest ways to elevate triglycerides while taking Effexor.
Posted by music on November 4, 2003, at 17:32:47
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hey, how's your new job going? I am down to 75mg per day now of Effexor XR and now my Psydoc has me taking 100mg of Wellbutrin SR in the morning and 100mg in the afternoon. I will be eventually be taken off of Effexor XR totally. Do you know anything about Amitriptopylline (spelling is off big time) it helps with depression and chronic pain. I have chronic back pain and major depression. Well, I need to go. Post me soon. Sorry that it has taken so long to check the website, it has been crazy times at work and in my personal life. Have a great evening......
Music
P.S. If anyone knows anything about the above medicine Amitripoylline (spelling is off) please post me back.
Posted by Salty_Dog on November 4, 2003, at 18:33:29
In reply to For Salty_dog, posted by music on November 4, 2003, at 17:32:47
> Hey, how's your new job going? I am down to 75mg per day now of Effexor XR and now my Psydoc has me taking 100mg of Wellbutrin SR in the morning and 100mg in the afternoon. I will be eventually be taken off of Effexor XR totally. Do you know anything about Amitriptopylline (spelling is off big time) it helps with depression and chronic pain. I have chronic back pain and major depression. Well, I need to go. Post me soon. Sorry that it has taken so long to check the website, it has been crazy times at work and in my personal life. Have a great evening......
>
> Music
>
> P.S. If anyone knows anything about the above medicine Amitripoylline (spelling is off) please post me back.Hello Music,
I have been thinking of you. I took a look for the correct spelling and indications for use.
Amitriptyline (Elavil) is just as you mentioned, indicated for use in severe depression and in lower dosage, acts to control chronic pain. I will keep it in mind, but at this time, I want to reduce the number of pills I have to take, starting with Effexor XR followed by Neurotin. I am currently off of all pain meds and feel ok with it.My job is warming up each passing day. I am, once again, feeling more fullfilled. All things considered, I hate to disapoint the Psychologist's out there, work is still one of many ways we define ourselves. If you don't believe me, try being unemployed for a long time (we call it shelf life in my industry). My belief is a depressive personality being alone is a depressive personality being in 'bad company'. Being bi-polar just adds a new twist to the 'bad company' thing.
I think it is a different thing when you are retired, at least you can plan things out.How are you doing, Music ?
How is every one doing ?
Posted by camel on November 5, 2003, at 7:58:00
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I started Effexor about 2 months ago....seems to be working...much less "side effects" than Paxil which I was on for 2 years. Still using the "samples" as Dr. has not yet decided on the prescription....but all in all.....I'd say I'm pleased with it.
Posted by music on November 5, 2003, at 10:19:33
In reply to Re: For Salty_dog » music, posted by Salty_Dog on November 4, 2003, at 18:33:29
Salty_dog,
I went to physical therapy this morning before coming to work. It was early.... I am not a morning person at all. So I made my husband go with me. I am still getting headaches coming off of the Effexor XR but I am still on Effexor XR 75 mg only compared where I used to be on 300mg per day. I hope and wish it will go away. I know the sex is better now, at least I can have the big "O" again. I'll be glad to finally go off Effexor XR for good. It actually has helped me, but the SE's for sex and headaches stink. Anyway, I think I am going to maybe start taking that med I told you about yesterday (amitrip....) Thanks for posting me.....:) Have a wonderful day!
Music
Posted by MelissaDQ on November 5, 2003, at 13:22:29
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hi. About 5 months ago I started using oral contraceptives and had an adverse chemical reaction resulting in severe depression and anxiety. I went off the BC and tried a different prescription, with the same reaction but double the intensity. Before this I was completely healthy, very positive and never had anything near depression. I had to see a psychologist who prescribed 37.5 mg Effexor which I've been on for about 3 months now. It has totally cured my depression and anxiety, but now I am tired ALL the time - no matter how much sleep I get, I'm always tired. In the beginning of taking Effexor, I was incredibly energized - would wake up early in the morning and be anxious to get up just to be awake and living! But now my sleepiness has gotten so bad I fall asleep in class and go to bed at 9:30 instead of my usual 11:30 or 12. I did experience sleepiness before I went on effexor, while I was depressed, and not before then.
My dad is on Effexor 75 mg and doing well - has had lots of experience w/ side effects though, and I was thrilled to notice I didn't have any - until this sleepiness.
Has anyone had a similar experience? What did you do about it? I will definately be talking to my doc but am wondering if I'll have to switch prescriptions or what??
Posted by Mercedes on November 5, 2003, at 14:02:34
In reply to Electric Shocks, posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 6, 2003, at 1:27:07
ZAPs - I have them too. I describe them as having swallowed a whole porqupine and with every movement I make, the needles shoot thoughout my body. I stopped taking Effexor due to side effects that were hazardes to my heath. Although for a couple of months on Effex. I was an undepressed, happy, energyless, unemotional, couch blob, but an un-depressed blob. I even lost weight...woweeeee!
I had to quit Effexor due to High Blood Pressure, migranes, pounding heart, vision problems, memory loss, loss in IQ, word finding problems, amoung other things I can't "remember!" Oh, halucinations!!!! (i've never taken illegal drugs) so this was so new to me. I was on Effex. 37.5 mgs for one year, then this past year was upped gradually to 300mgs. So two yrs total.
10/14/03 I took my last Effexor. I titrated down from 300mgs, 225,etc. weekly, even gave the 75 mgs two weeks...till I was down to 37.5 However my Pdoc gave me Paxil, 25mgs to help with withdrawals from Effex which I started taking 10/8 along w/Effex. 37.5 mgs.
Now on Paxil 37.5 mgs. I start having horrendous gastrol esophigitis, dizzyness, worst ever blurred vision and don't know what is causing it. (I also take xanex, HBP med, thank to Effex, Cholesteral med, and had started taking Green Tea capsuls, which my MD said was fine.
No "ZAP" side effects yet, just rage/anger, suicidal thoughts, stupid ones, like putting my finger to my head as if I had a gun and POW!, other's like while driving, looking for a perfect tree to wrap my car around etc. but not my new car, I'll take the old car...who cares! I was going to be dead!On 10/20 my neuro gave me Topamax for my migranes (which were Effexor SE's). I was particularly sensitive to sun, bright lights, still having blurred vision especially after using computer. Sharp pains in my left eye too. Well, Topamax is for seizures also. I've been tested for siezures-negative. Read side effects of topamax, adema, vision problems....blindness, did I say this already? Oh, I tend to repeat myself cause I forget what I say. I stopped taking the topamax cause was having the above side effects, including bloody stool (sorry). Ok, Adema can cause Congestive Heart Failure. I wasn't having any migranes anymore.
I started the "real" withdrawals from Effex, Paxkill,Topamax. with dizzyness, uncoordination, the shooting porqupine needles thoughout my body. Every step i'd take, shooting pricks, even a key stroke at the keyboard sent shooting pins & needles thru my body.
Then my heart, "ice pick" stabbing feelings in my heart. This was last Sat. didn't go to doc., Then again this past Monday 11/3 worst pains, dizzy, feeling faint. I called my brother to take me to the Doctor. In 10 days from withdrawing from these meds, my BP went to 167/97, was given nitro two times then an EKG. Thank God, the EKG was fine after 2 nitro tabs. Dr. said yes, the withdrawal can make my BP fluctuate, blood test were taken now to see if I have an enlarged heart? I find out today. I NEVER HAD HEART PROBLEMS BEFORE!
Withdrawals...YES! I know them quite well and they are ok one day and 2 or 3 days later they feel WORSE than the first days. Pdoc, said the tingly sensations esp. around face & lips, (I call them porqupine) ARE Paxil withdrawals and that I'm still going through Effex. withdrawals. He suggested I take 1/2 of the paxil (paxkill) to help with the withdrawals and as much as I didn't want to, I did yesterday and it helped. He said the witdrawals will last a cple more weeks.
Final Note: Now I'm on Nitroglycerin for my heart. Ha Ha, It's killing me! "Final? note". Gosh I hope not.
I say, let the Pdocs/Docs take the AD's first, go through the withdrawals, then tell us "this will help you".
I'm done with AD's. I'd rather die of natural causes than from anti-depressant(s). I will not contribute to these co's. profits. $2.6 billion? and I'm f'n broke, paying my own insurance, can't work, cant think, can't comprehend AND MY DOCTORS TELL ME I'M NOT SICK!
I'm not any better than I was before the AD's and I'm very happy I quit. W/b happier when the zaps go away.
Sorry this is long...but read EVERYONE'S input slowly, due to blurred vision (Effexor SE). Just had to put my 14 cents worth in (inflation).
For those that are doing fine on Effexor, stay with it. Like I said, I was doing fine until my blood pressure forced me to stop.
My sincere understanding, hugs.... and hang in there kiddo's.
yea, I'm frustrated too,
Mercedes***************************************
> Does anyone know what exactly CAUSES these shocks that are associated with the withdrawal of Effexor? I can't seem to find any information about them, just that they exist. Also, is the time span for them to go away really as large as 1-7 weeks? I have just gone through my first week and I really REALLY don't want to do 2 but the funny thing is, today my shocks are as bad as the first couple days. My third day without the Effexor was my worst so far (nausiated, sensitive to light, tired etc.) and today it felt like day one all over again. I don't get it. Shouldn't something that is out of your body start to get better and not progress?? If anyone knows more about these shocks I would love to hear what you have learned. God Speed to everyone and may there come a day of comfort for you!
Posted by camel on November 5, 2003, at 14:14:11
In reply to Re: Effex, then Paxil, Topamx now Nitroglycerin-HA » Sufferfromeffexor, posted by Mercedes on November 5, 2003, at 14:02:34
The Paxil side effects/witdrawl were the worst.....after about 2 weeks the severe zaps tapered off but still had them if I moved my eyes too fast. I tried to stay off the AD's but after a month my family was ready to tie me up in the yard! The effexor seems to be working and I haven't noticed any side effects yet...but it's only been about a month!
Posted by alwaystired on November 6, 2003, at 3:19:11
In reply to Depression from BirthControl, Effexor Sleepiness, posted by MelissaDQ on November 5, 2003, at 13:22:29
I have been on effexor xr 150 for almost a year and the sleepiness never went away, at least not until this week. Now I'm not sleeping much at all. I have only slept one night in the past week. Feeling depressed again too, I want to sleep but it just doesn't happen. Does anyone have any ideas?
Posted by MamaB on November 6, 2003, at 7:09:47
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I was on Effexor XR 150mgmx2 daily for two years. The biggest problem I had was the gain of 50lbs. I had no trouble coming off the medication, however I was on Celexa and Seroquel at the time. Would I take it again? NO! Would I recommend it to someone else? NO! Even though I had no trouble "withdrawing from it, I know too many folks who have. My husband who is a physician (internal medicine/cardiology)absolutely would not prescribe it.
Posted by camel on November 6, 2003, at 7:12:12
In reply to Re: Depression from BirthControl, Effexor Sleepiness, posted by alwaystired on November 6, 2003, at 3:19:11
I really haven't experienced any more sleeping problems than I had on Paxil...Some nights I can't stay awake and others I can't go to sleep...on weekends I try taking an afternoon nap..and that seems to help with the sleepiness but I have learned to just go with what my body tells me. I purchased a few "nature sounds" cd's and on the nights I can't sleep I put in the ocean cd and just try to put myself on the beach..it usually works.
Posted by music on November 6, 2003, at 10:53:33
In reply to Re: Depression from BirthControl, Effexor Sleepiness, posted by camel on November 6, 2003, at 7:12:12
Has anyone had headaches coming off Effexor xr, I am still on 75mg per day along with 200mg per day of Wellbutrin SR. But I was on 300mg per day of Effexor xr, psydoc is switching me to Wellbutrin SR because I could not have a "O" with the Effexor Xr, but my depression is back now. Last night was really bad, I started having dark thoughts again. I don't think I would actually kill myself, but just thinking about it scares the hell out of me. Any suggestions for the medication would be helpful. I liked the Effexor XR because I felt it helped me with the depression, but sexual SE's was hurting my marriage. I don't know what to do. I don't care if I ever have sex, but my husband does care. Help, from anyone....
Music
Posted by KimberlyDi on November 6, 2003, at 12:44:42
In reply to Re: For Salty_dog, posted by music on November 5, 2003, at 10:19:33
Music,
Anyway, I think I am going to maybe start taking that med I told you about yesterday (amitrip....)
Imipramine?
That's what I just started. It's either helping with the Effexor withdrawal, or I've adjusted to a lower dosage of 150mg, instead of 300mg.
KDi in TX
Posted by KimberlyDi on November 6, 2003, at 12:54:23
In reply to Re: Effex, then Paxil, Topamx now Nitroglycerin-HA » Sufferfromeffexor, posted by Mercedes on November 5, 2003, at 14:02:34
Mercedes:
oh heck, your post almost made me cry. I'm so sorry you went through all this, and I'm sorry I did too. I have to lower/taper/quit Effexor because of high blood pressure (my highest I tested was 151/96 before I threw in the towel). And I loved Effexor. I HATE these withdrawals, feeling sick and wondering if I can make it through work. Today I'm better. Tomorrow could be worse.
God bless and good luck.
KDi in TX
Posted by Mercedes on November 7, 2003, at 3:25:56
In reply to Re: For Music » music, posted by KimberlyDi on November 6, 2003, at 12:44:42
Just a note here guys, when I dropped from my 300, I felt the same SE's as when I was going on it, sweating, pounding heart, joint pain... all in reverse of when I titrated up. I too loved Effexor as the wonder drug for depression. But no more :(
KDi, and anyone suffering from high blood pressure. Monitor it closely. I think i have to go out and get one of those BP monitors, expecially now being on nitroglycerine. Monday my BP was 168/94, yesterday. Wed 120/60. I'm fluctuating to much. Also did ya'll know that high blood pressure causes migranes/headaches?
Lastly, regarding Elavil/Imiprimine. From WebMD, "you should tell your doctor if you have high blood pressure before taking this med.." Good thing is it doesn't interfere with OOOOOOO's and it appears the only warning on having a cocktail every now and then is that it may cause drowsiness. This may be a plus if you've suffered insomnia like I did with Effexor. At least we'd get a good night's sleep finally.
Mercedes
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> Music,
>
> Anyway, I think I am going to maybe start taking that med I told you about yesterday (amitrip....)
>
> Imipramine?
>
> That's what I just started. It's either helping with the Effexor withdrawal, or I've adjusted to a lower dosage of 150mg, instead of 300mg.
>
> KDi in TX
>
Posted by Aphid 1 on November 8, 2003, at 16:40:28
In reply to Re: Effex, then Paxil, Topamx now Nitroglycerin-HA » Mercedes, posted by KimberlyDi on November 6, 2003, at 12:54:23
Just want to know of the persons who've expierenced mood swings with effexor xr what seemed to help , ( incereasing dosage, or taking another med, etc?). i have been on effexor for almost 4 months and the past 3 weeks my attitude has gone to hell. most of the time i generally feel better, but i seem to get mad easily over stupid things, and have ALOT of dark, scary thoughts i don't like. my doc perscribed that i take Alesse ( a birth control pill, with low levels of estrogen and progestern), but i am hesitant to start this as for one i don't need birth control as my tubes are tied, and two i do not want to bleed for no months then only to bleed continously for ??? ever when i stop the Alesse,(as i heard is a common side effect with birth control pills). i do want something to control my anger and mood swings and am also perscribed Lorazepam, but am not sure if this is going to make me go down to a low which in turn would create an opposite high of mood. i just want a stabilizing "normal" range of functioning, whatever that is...
any comments, suggestions, help, ??
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