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Posted by jlo820 on August 12, 2003, at 19:17:02
In reply to re:Poop-out Syndrome with ADs, posted by Bela on August 12, 2003, at 18:18:26
>> Do you have any suggestions for remedies other than upping the dosage or switching to another AD?
Those are the two main options. Perhaps before switching to something else, a doctor might try an augmentation strategy. For example, if you are on Effexor and it is not working or seems to have quit working, your doctor might trying adding Wellbutrin to see if it would help.
Posted by Doug in PA on August 12, 2003, at 19:48:45
In reply to Re: » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 10, 2003, at 12:54:31
I stopped in Vitamin world today and CVS and could not find, nor had they heard of methylcobalamin. They had Cyanocobalamin but not the above. Anyone got a brand name or vitamin source store for methylcobalamin???
Doug in PA
Posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:32:56
In reply to Re:B12 methylcobalamin where to buy???, posted by Doug in PA on August 12, 2003, at 19:48:45
I use the NOW brand. Do a search for it and see what comes up. There's tons of vendors you can order from online, but it might be worth it to talk through some of your questions with a health food store clerk. I thought you were going to try GNC, any luck there? How bout local herbal stores, any in your area?
Posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:36:52
In reply to Re:B12 methylcobalamin where to buy??? » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:32:56
I know this has been an adjunct treatment for Huntington's (and of course for bodybuilders) for a while now, but now it looks like it might have wider applications...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3145223.stm
Creatine 'boosts brain power'
The supplement is favoured by some athletes
The dietary supplement creatine - known to improve athletic performance - can also boost memory and intelligence, researchers claim.
Creatine is a natural compound found in muscle tissue, and has been popular with athletes looking for ways to increase fitness.However, experts say that it has a role in maintaining energy levels to the brain, and have the theory that taking more creatine might actually improve mental performance.
Researchers from the University of Sydney and Macquarie University, also in Australia, tested this by giving creatine supplements to 45 young adult volunteers.
Vegetarians were used for the tests, mainly because meat in the diet is in itself a source of creatine, and it would be difficult to gauge exactly how much an individual had consumed.
Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power
Dr Caroline Rae, University of Sydney
The volunteers were split up and given either creatine or a "dummy" pill for periods of six weeks.Their ability to repeat back from memory long sequences of numbers was tested, and a general IQ test also given to the volunteers.
The researchers, led by Dr Caroline Rae found that the creatine supplements - at least in the short term - seemed to suggest a positive effect.
She said: "Both of these tests require fast brain power and the IQ test was conducted under time pressure.
"The results were clear with both our experimental groups and in both test scenarios.
"Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power."
The researchers found that subjects' ability to remember long numbers improved from a number length of approximately seven digits, to an average of 8.5.
Dr Rae believes that the creatine increases the amount of energy available to the brain for computational tasks, improving general mental ability.
Health risks?
Little is known about the long-term effects of taking creatine - there are reports of effects on blood sugar balance.
The supplement is also notorious for creating an unpleasant odour in the vicinity of the taker.
There is no evidence that the mental boost would continue over time, even if the patient carried on taking creatine for months rather than weeks.
Dr Rae said: "Creatine supplementation may be of use to those requiring boosted mental performance in the short term - for example university students."
The study was published in the Royal Society journal Proceedings B.
Posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:43:26
In reply to News - Creatine boosts brain power, posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:36:52
I should have mentioned that as with everything, there can be a down side to too much creatine supplementation. For one, it might make you a little irritable -- something we're all prone to to begin with:
"Long term supplementation with creatine has yet to be declared truly safe as there have been reported effects on glucose homeostasis (the regulation of blood sugar levels) and potential subjects with a medical history of diabetes were excluded from the experiment. In addition taking the supplement can have some antisocial effects. "To be frank taking the supplement can make you a considerably less 'fragrant' person," says Dr. Rae. "However creatine supplementation may be of use to those requiring boosted mental performance in the short term - for example university students."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030813070944.htm
> I know this has been an adjunct treatment for Huntington's (and of course for bodybuilders) for a while now, but now it looks like it might have wider applications...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3145223.stm
>
> Creatine 'boosts brain power'
>
> The supplement is favoured by some athletes
> The dietary supplement creatine - known to improve athletic performance - can also boost memory and intelligence, researchers claim.
> Creatine is a natural compound found in muscle tissue, and has been popular with athletes looking for ways to increase fitness.
>
> However, experts say that it has a role in maintaining energy levels to the brain, and have the theory that taking more creatine might actually improve mental performance.
>
> Researchers from the University of Sydney and Macquarie University, also in Australia, tested this by giving creatine supplements to 45 young adult volunteers.
>
> Vegetarians were used for the tests, mainly because meat in the diet is in itself a source of creatine, and it would be difficult to gauge exactly how much an individual had consumed.
>
> Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power
>
> Dr Caroline Rae, University of Sydney
> The volunteers were split up and given either creatine or a "dummy" pill for periods of six weeks.
>
> Their ability to repeat back from memory long sequences of numbers was tested, and a general IQ test also given to the volunteers.
>
> The researchers, led by Dr Caroline Rae found that the creatine supplements - at least in the short term - seemed to suggest a positive effect.
>
> She said: "Both of these tests require fast brain power and the IQ test was conducted under time pressure.
>
> "The results were clear with both our experimental groups and in both test scenarios.
>
> "Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power."
>
> The researchers found that subjects' ability to remember long numbers improved from a number length of approximately seven digits, to an average of 8.5.
>
> Dr Rae believes that the creatine increases the amount of energy available to the brain for computational tasks, improving general mental ability.
>
> Health risks?
>
> Little is known about the long-term effects of taking creatine - there are reports of effects on blood sugar balance.
>
> The supplement is also notorious for creating an unpleasant odour in the vicinity of the taker.
>
> There is no evidence that the mental boost would continue over time, even if the patient carried on taking creatine for months rather than weeks.
>
> Dr Rae said: "Creatine supplementation may be of use to those requiring boosted mental performance in the short term - for example university students."
>
> The study was published in the Royal Society journal Proceedings B.
>
>
>
Posted by mph-speedy on August 13, 2003, at 12:45:35
In reply to re: lexapro's sexual and anxiety side effects, posted by JCServant7 on August 12, 2003, at 18:08:32
> Hey Steve -
Hang in there..my first day was almost the same. Liquid bowel movements and dizziness..I called the Forest Labs hotline to see if the diarhea would resolve. It was gone the next day. By the third day I laughed out loud for the first time in months, and now about 6 weeks later, I have no side effects other than thirst, and my mood has steadily improved. It's been a lifesaver for me, however, now that I'm feeling relatively sane, I'm considering some kind of "talk therapy" to get at the bottom of some of my issues.Take care.
Speedy
Hi all -
>
> Just started Lexapro 10 mg today, and it was weird to say the least! I got this terrible headache, my face felt flushed, I ran to the bathroom three times due to diarrhea, I was yawning all day and slept for three hours in the afternoon, I got his raging hardon that wouldn't go away for a few hours. Geez! I will stick it out for at least a week and see if some of this stuff resolves. I won't hand in the towel just yet. I am being weaned off Remeron after being on it for 6 years. I'm at 30 mg now and in a month will be dropped to 15 mg and then a month later, be done with it.
>
> Thanks for any responses in advance!
>
> Steve
Posted by JCServant7 on August 13, 2003, at 15:17:18
In reply to re: lexapro's sexual and anxiety side effects, posted by mph-speedy on August 13, 2003, at 12:45:35
> > Hey Steve -
>
>
> Hang in there..my first day was almost the same. Liquid bowel movements and dizziness..I called the Forest Labs hotline to see if the diarhea would resolve. It was gone the next day. By the third day I laughed out loud for the first time in months, and now about 6 weeks later, I have no side effects other than thirst, and my mood has steadily improved. It's been a lifesaver for me, however, now that I'm feeling relatively sane, I'm considering some kind of "talk therapy" to get at the bottom of some of my issues.
>
> Take care.
>
> Speedy
>Speedy -
Thanks so much for responding.
Well, the effects are a little different today: I haven't had the massive bowel movements today like I had yesterday, and the sexual stuff seems to have passed. However, I still feel very tired and have to lie down in the afternoon. I feel somewhat light-headed, even now after about 7 hours after the dose. I lose my balance easier now, as well. I don't notice feeling any better as far as the depression is concerned, but that could be because of the Remeron still being onboard.
I will hang in there for awhile and give this Lexapro a reasonable chance. I guess we'll see what happens from here. Thanks again Speedy for your 'speedy' reply. Sorry for the pun. :-)
Steve
Posted by Oak on August 13, 2003, at 18:19:12
In reply to re: Lexapro sexual side effects » Mike Oxsbig, posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 16:27:25
Posted by Jota on August 13, 2003, at 22:26:17
In reply to re:Poop-out Syndrome with ADs, posted by Bela on August 12, 2003, at 18:18:26
A top researcher at NIMH suggested the following regimen to prevent what he terms depression "breakthrough": Folate 2mg per day; T3 (Cytomel) 25ug per day. I'm also taking Lamictal, but this was both to achieve remission as well as to maintain it. Finally, I've added fish oil to get 1000mg of EPA (I can see no down side to taking this).
Jordan
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 23:00:42
In reply to re:Poop-out Syndrome with ADs, posted by Jota on August 13, 2003, at 22:26:17
hi Jordan,> A top researcher at NIMH suggested the following regimen to prevent what he terms depression "breakthrough": Folate 2mg per day; T3 (Cytomel) 25ug per day. I'm also taking Lamictal, but this was both to achieve remission as well as to maintain it. Finally, I've added fish oil to get 1000mg of EPA (I can see no down side to taking this).
>
> Jordan
thanks for such an informative post!
any details about the researcher, resources for this research?
no mention of DHA?
appreciate your contribution!
thanks!
~ jim
Posted by trucker on August 13, 2003, at 23:04:13
In reply to Re: ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION INFO, posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 22:52:17
> > Hey, that first link reminded me of that old question: "How can you tell a boy chromosome from a girl chromosome?"
> >
> > answer: "Easy, look in its genes!"
>
> My My the lexapro must have been very very good to you. But Im sure that all jokes should be redirected the psycho babble comedy link if there is one. Im sure JIM would know!!! HA!! TAKE CARE!!!
> WAYNE
>
>///////////////////////////////////////////////
they should have a comedy line here! that way folks like me don't get in troble!!
trucker
Posted by trucker on August 13, 2003, at 23:08:08
In reply to melatonin questions - jrbecker, posted by BekkaH on July 30, 2003, at 0:00:04
i am under the impression that melatonin is the same stuff as zoloft just not a garenteed dosage. that you shouldn't mix with out doc's knowledge.
some heath foods are dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.
trucker
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 23:29:20
In reply to Re: ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION INFO, posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 22:52:17
hey Wayne!
hi Vandy !
hi trucker, good to see you back!> > Hey, that first link reminded me of that old question: "How can you tell a boy chromosome from a girl chromosome?"
> >
> > answer: "Easy, look in its genes!"
>
> My My the lexapro must have been very very good to you. But Im sure that all jokes should be redirected the psycho babble comedy link if there is one. Im sure JIM would know!!! HA!! TAKE CARE!!!
> WAYNE
>
>... this right here is the closest to a
"psycho Comedy Babble"
as there is in pBabble land ...... and if there's any more laughs out there ... let us have them ... PLEASE? ... ... us depressed folks can always use them!
any Lexapro jokes ?"laughter is the best medicine ... ... "
so ... ...
LAUGH 'EM UP!!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 0:31:50
In reply to re:Poop-out Syndrome with ADs, posted by Jota on August 13, 2003, at 22:26:17
see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read itthanks,
~ jim
Posted by Bela on August 14, 2003, at 9:03:52
In reply to re:Poop-out Syndrome with ADs » Jota, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 23:00:42
>
> hi Jordan,
>
> > A top researcher at NIMH suggested the following regimen to prevent what he terms depression "breakthrough": Folate 2mg per day; T3 (Cytomel) 25ug per day. I'm also taking Lamictal, but this was both to achieve remission as well as to maintain it. Finally, I've added fish oil to get 1000mg of EPA (I can see no down side to taking this).
> >
> > Jordan
>
>
> thanks for such an informative post!
> any details about the researcher, resources for this research?
> no mention of DHA?
> appreciate your contribution!
> thanks!
> ~ jim
>Jordan,
I, too, would like to add my thanks for your useful information. I am currently on my 4th AD, Lexapro,which is working (at least for now) but Celexa, Serzone, and Remeron have all pooped-out for me after several months of use for each of them. Currently, I am weaning myself from Remeron VERY slowly and still am having fairly significant withdrawal. I will try your suggestions with the Lexapro and see how it goes.
Bela
Posted by mph-speedy on August 14, 2003, at 10:04:32
In reply to Scientific American article, posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 0:31:50
> see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
>
> my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
> i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read it
>
> thanks,
> ~ jimVery good and enlightening article.
Speedy
Posted by Neens on August 14, 2003, at 12:14:19
In reply to re Psycho Comedy Babble » BLKVETTES, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 23:29:20
I HATE LEXAPRO
(sung to the tune of "I Love Rock n' Roll" by J. Hooker/A. Merrill)She saw it there in the insurance book
One of three meds covered by the HMO crooks
She said give it a try
The latest SSRI
An' I couldn't tell you why
But it had me, yeah me, cryin'I hate Lexapro
So call another scrip to the drugstore, baby
I hate Lexapro
So come an' write another scrip for meThe first time I took it I slept all day
That don't matter, she said
Side effects go awaySaid take it again, so I did an' then
Next I was breaking down
It wasn't me, not me
Next I was breaking down
And now it's me, yeah me, singin'I hate Lexapro
So call another scrip to the drugstore, baby
I hate Lexapro
So come an' write another scrip for meCan I please have a different pill, this one's keepin' me ill
Gotta be movin' on
Cause I hate this same old song
Yeah me, cryin'I hate Lexapro
So call another scrip to the drugstore, baby
I hate Lexapro
So come an' write another scrip for me
Posted by Bela on August 14, 2003, at 15:12:55
In reply to Re: Scientific American article, posted by mph-speedy on August 14, 2003, at 10:04:32
> > see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
> >
> > my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
> > i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read it
> >
> > thanks,
> > ~ jim
>
> Very good and enlightening article.
>
> SpeedyIf you really enjoyed the Scientific American article, you may want to take a look at the author, Robert Sapolsky's great book of a few years ago about stress, entitled, *Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers*.
Posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 17:14:43
In reply to Re: Scientific American article, posted by Bela on August 14, 2003, at 15:12:55
hi Bela!
> > > see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
> > >
> > > my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
> > > i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read it
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > ~ jim
> >
> > Very good and enlightening article.
> >
> > Speedy
>
> If you really enjoyed the Scientific American article, you may want to take a look at the author, Robert Sapolsky's great book of a few years ago about stress, entitled, *Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers*.
>it is never a bad thing, but we may expect out good Dr. Bob to come along about now to encourage us to consider using the ol' "double double" quotation marks feature ... just so we will know ...
... i'll try it now here
... ... "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers"
(and now having written dual quotes with the title i should see amazon.com link options when i go to post this ...)~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 17:17:35
In reply to re: Scientific American article » Bela, posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 17:14:43
> hi Bela!
>
> > > > see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
> > > >
> > > > my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
> > > > i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read it
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > ~ jim
> > >
> > > Very good and enlightening article.
> > >
> > > Speedy
> >
> > If you really enjoyed the Scientific American article, you may want to take a look at the author, Robert Sapolsky's great book of a few years ago about stress, entitled, *Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers*.
> >
>
> it is never a bad thing, but we may expect out good Dr. Bob to come along about now to encourage us to consider using the ol' "double double" quotation marks feature ... just so we will know ...
>
> ... i'll try it now here
> ... ... "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers"
> (and now having written dual quotes with the title i should see amazon.com link options when i go to post this ...)
>
> ~ jim
>
>and sure enough it works like magic ... ... amazon even offered this newer edition too ...
thanks for the book title suggestion and positive contribution(s) !!!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 17:21:29
In reply to re: Scientific American article, posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 17:17:35
hi Bela! .... me again!
> >
> > > > > see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
> > > > >
> > > > > my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
> > > > > i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read it
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > ~ jim
> > > >
> > > > Very good and enlightening article.
> > > >
> > > > Speedy
> > >
> > > If you really enjoyed the Scientific American article, you may want to take a look at the author, Robert Sapolsky's great book of a few years ago about stress, entitled, *Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers*.
> > >
> >
> > it is never a bad thing, but we may expect out good Dr. Bob to come along about now to encourage us to consider using the ol' "double double" quotation marks feature ... just so we will know ...
> >
> > ... i'll try it now here
> > ... ... "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers"
> > (and now having written dual quotes with the title i should see amazon.com link options when i go to post this ...)
> >
> > ~ jim
> >
> >
>
> and sure enough it works like magic ... ... amazon even offered this newer edition too ...
>
> thanks for the book title suggestion and positive contribution(s) !!!
> ~ jimand we have learned that we need to "re-dual" our quotation marks or the posting machine won't be able to re-do the amazon links ... so i'm going back up to the title to try that ... now
TAKE CARE !!!
~ jim
Posted by jennifer frick on August 14, 2003, at 18:37:25
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
> [Posted by ggrrl on June 11, 2002, at 1:19:51]
>
> > Seems like there are a lot of people on here who have talked about Lexapro's improved side-effects, specifically that it has less tiredness and sexual side effects than Celexa. Some have said that it has the same side effects as Celexa. However most people are quoting from press releases - does anyone here know from experience (theirs or others')?
>
>
Hi, my name is Jennifer, my husband has been on lexapro off and on for about 6 months, when he takes it, he gets diarreaha really bad at first, then he gets nauseated and about an hour later he is fine
Posted by trucker on August 14, 2003, at 22:48:40
In reply to re: Back at ya!, posted by arrianna on July 28, 2003, at 14:09:51
> Hey Trucker-
> This isn't "med" related, so I hope I don't get in trouble. But, I just saw that you were leaving for Minnesota tonight, and I'm from Minnesota: Twin Cities area. Where are you from? Anyways, it's a great day to be in Minnesota today: a beautiful, sunny, and warm summer day here! Enjoy your trip! Arrianna////////////////////////////////////////////////
ohio originally now i live in upstate ny
Posted by trucker on August 15, 2003, at 0:46:59
In reply to re: Scientific American article » lil' jimi, posted by lil' jimi on August 14, 2003, at 17:21:29
> hi Bela! .... me again!
> > >
> > > > > > see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00083A00-318C-1F30-9AD380A84189F2D7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > my thanks to JrBecker who posted this elsewhere ...
> > > > > > i'm repeating the link here for those who might miss it and i would appreciate hearing from folks who read it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > ~ jim
> > > > >
> > > > > Very good and enlightening article.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speedy
> > > >
> > > > If you really enjoyed the Scientific American article, you may want to take a look at the author, Robert Sapolsky's great book of a few years ago about stress, entitled, *Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers*.
> > > >
> > >
> > > it is never a bad thing, but we may expect out good Dr. Bob to come along about now to encourage us to consider using the ol' "double double" quotation marks feature ... just so we will know ...
> > >
> > > ... i'll try it now here
> > > ... ... "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers"
> > > (and now having written dual quotes with the title i should see amazon.com link options when i go to post this ...)
> > >
> > > ~ jim
> > >
> > >
> >
> > and sure enough it works like magic ... ... amazon even offered this newer edition too ...
> >
> > thanks for the book title suggestion and positive contribution(s) !!!
> > ~ jim
>
>
>
> and we have learned that we need to "re-dual" our quotation marks or the posting machine won't be able to re-do the amazon links ... so i'm going back up to the title to try that ... now
>
> TAKE CARE !!!
> ~ jim
>
>/////////////////////////////////////////////////
hello folks! i'm back! just in time for the worst blackout in history! we been with out pretty close to eleven hours ( i am refering to electric) talk about stressing ones meds to the limit. i need a boost!
trucker
Posted by lil' jimi on August 15, 2003, at 1:54:02
In reply to re: Scientific American article » lil' jimi, posted by trucker on August 15, 2003, at 0:46:59
hi trucker!!! . .. ... welcome home!
>
> /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> hello folks! i'm back! just in time for the worst blackout in history! we been with out pretty close to eleven hours ( i am refering to electric) talk about stressing ones meds to the limit. i need a boost!
> trucker
>hope they can get your juice back on!
sending you the good vibes kind of internal energy ... .. ... hope it can help you keep going, er, truckin' ... !TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
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