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Posted by Cam W. on March 25, 2001, at 12:38:49
In reply to Poop-out -Cam?, posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 10:29:16
> "There is a risk of poop-out, but I doubt that it is as common as with the SSRIs."
>
> Will upping the dose counter-act this?Willow - Usually upping the dose can counter Effexor poop-out. You don't see poop-out with Effexor, that often, but because you get more antidepressant effect as you increase the dose of Effexor (unlike SSRIs whose effect eventually plateaus). An increase in dose probably can be done, before a change in med. - Cam
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 12:43:13
In reply to Re: Real or Mindset - Janie, posted by Pamela on March 24, 2001, at 13:22:17
"How can you be psychosomatic if you have no idea what the side effects are."
I'm no doctor but have done some reading on this topic because literally this is my diagnosis. From what you are describing I think it is more along the lines of having hypochondriatic symptoms. eg. Excessive worrying that one may have an illness. What I think some of the people may be having with the withdrawal from effexor are symptoms of somatisation, which is internalising their emotions. Everyone does this. eg. When nervous palms begin to sweat.
"I went to the emergency room thinking I was dying.... the second day off of Effexor."
You were probably experiencing anxiety and often anxiety is an emotion accompanied by physical symptoms. eg. pounding heart and/or nervous stomache As I said earlier, I have a somatisation disorder and the symptoms people are describing match what I have lived with for the past five years.
"I had no idea it was that and had no idea what the "STATED" side effects were."
The physcial symptoms are not imagined but worsened or heightened with emotional stress. And these physcical symptoms that are affected by emotions are the same for all people, thus the stated side effects. You may want to read about "generalized anxiety disorder."
I hope this is understandable.
Whispering Willow
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 12:50:03
In reply to A Very Interesting Forum................, posted by Leo on March 24, 2001, at 16:27:24
Leo
Very well put!
thanks for taking the time ...
Willow
Posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:47:59
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
> I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
>
> HaDear Sammy,
I don't knowh ow youa e doing it going from 150mg to zero. I went from 75 mg to 37.5 then to alf that and half that etc. When I finally went completely off, all of the symtoms you describe (except the sinus) plus dizziness (severe) and pain (incredible). I wish you well and I totally agree, read my Back to the Urgent Care thread if you're interested in our wonderful doctors. If you get too bad I would suggest going at least to 37.5 for awhile, I found keeping at least a little bit in my system for a short period of time, helps. I know i wanted to quit cold turkey too, thinking the weaning was about depression coming back, Yeah I am drepressed allright..... because I feel physically terrile.
Prayers are with you,
Pamela
Posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:48:17
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
> I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
>
> HaDear Sammy,
I don't knowh ow youa e doing it going from 150mg to zero. I went from 75 mg to 37.5 then to alf that and half that etc. When I finally went completely off, all of the symtoms you describe (except the sinus) plus dizziness (severe) and pain (incredible). I wish you well and I totally agree, read my Back to the Urgent Care thread if you're interested in our wonderful doctors. If you get too bad I would suggest going at least to 37.5 for awhile, I found keeping at least a little bit in my system for a short period of time, helps. I know i wanted to quit cold turkey too, thinking the weaning was about depression coming back, Yeah I am drepressed allright..... because I feel physically terrile.
Prayers are with you,
Pamela
Posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:52:13
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
> I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
>
> HaDear Sammy,
I don't knowh ow youa e doing it going from 150mg to zero. I went from 75 mg to 37.5 then to alf that and half that etc. When I finally went completely off, all of the symtoms you describe (except the sinus) plus dizziness (severe) and pain (incredible). I wish you well and I totally agree, read my Back to the Urgent Care thread if you're interested in our wonderful doctors. If you get too bad I would suggest going at least to 37.5 for awhile, I found keeping at least a little bit in my system for a short period of time, helps. I know I wanted to quit cold turkey too, thinking the weaning was about depression coming back, Yeah.. I am drepressed allright..... because I feel physically terrible.
Prayers are with you,
Pamela
Posted by Seraphim on March 25, 2001, at 21:20:48
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Pamela,
Please tell me more, and update me on your progress. I've gone from 300mg - 150mg in two weeks. I'm having a very hard time maintaining. I too thank God I found this site. I decided to get the Effexor out of my system after a few nightmare days of unintentional withdrawal. I'm trying to work, continue to be Mom and Wife, and maintain some semblance of normalcy. I've never been so sick and tired, I am living in a constant state of discomfort, nausea and abdominal pain. I know many out there have spoken of taking other medications to help counteract the symptoms of this one, but I'm having a real hard time trying to justify putting more drugs into my system and having to think about the potential side effects and withdrawal symptoms from the new ones. It does help to hear that I'm not alone. No one else in my life understands what I'm going through, and to tell you the truth, I'd rather they not. Probably a little pride speaking there. Anyway, I would like to hear more from you. Thanks.
Seraphim
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 21:22:24
In reply to Re: Poop-out -Cam? » willow, posted by Cam W. on March 25, 2001, at 12:38:49
> > "There is a risk of poop-out, but I doubt that it is as common as with the SSRIs."
> >
> > Will upping the dose counter-act this?
>
> Willow - Usually upping the dose can counter Effexor poop-out. You don't see poop-out with Effexor, that often, but because you get more antidepressant effect as you increase the dose of Effexor (unlike SSRIs whose effect eventually plateaus). An increase in dose probably can be done, before a change in med. - Cam
Posted by kckboxgrl on March 25, 2001, at 23:15:03
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hi everyone! Just starting effexor xr, 37.5 mg. Up to 75 next week. I've read some really horrible things about side effects and withdrawl, has anyone had positive results? Also, since starting the effexor, i've had a headache (of migraine proportions) every morning--does anyone know if this is a side effect?
Thanks for any help!
Lisa
Posted by noodlesinstrudle on March 26, 2001, at 1:50:42
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:52:13
i just stopped effexor after a yr and a half stint with paxil and effexor. my god. i feel like i have lost my mind. its only been three weeks and i am speaking highly about this "comin back to reality", but my iq seems to have been slaughtered. i was premed, but now i have the worst time studying. cant concentrate. but on the flip side i nearly through a party when my bowels were finally consistent for once in a while. aside from that, i get those brain freezes, and i shake out of nowhere. before i quit effexor 300 ml, i would sweat at 72f for no reason. and i thought i was crazy because my doc's (plural) didnt believe me of my symptoms. and then i found this forum. im not alone. its so wonderful to see im not alone. (but all of you i wish never went through this horrible painstaking experience). i cant wait for my brain to be able to do simple division. i predict 10 weeks with added exercise, but who the hell knows.
Posted by vanroni on March 26, 2001, at 7:06:27
In reply to Re: beginning to wean hopefully losing weight » goofy, posted by cjf on March 22, 2001, at 20:47:24
> > The way I was able to do it was as follows: I was on 75.mg for 1 yr. when I decided to quit because of the side effects. I went to 37.5 for 10 days. 18.75 for 5 days, 9.375 for 5 days. 4.68 for 5 days, then i went off the drug. It has been 12 days and I feel great. I opened the capsules and divided the contents as previously suggested by some of these posts. I want to thank you all because IAM NOW EFFEXOR FREE and I did not have to go to another drug to help withdrawl from this horrible drug.
> > goofy
>
> >goofy
> i'm glad to hear how it worked for you- very encouraging.... i've been on 37.5xr for 5 days now & feel soo good.... a few side effects the first couple of days but not too bad... i'm going to try to 18.75 as you had done today & see what happens... i just want it out of me!
V-
Posted by Seraphim on March 26, 2001, at 9:24:29
In reply to effexor side effects/withdrawl, posted by kckboxgrl on March 25, 2001, at 23:15:03
Lisa,
I too had daily headaches, starting the meds and now getting off. I had occasional migraines previous to the medication, though. My doctor prescribed Midrin, which helped a little. Other migraine meds can raise your blood pressure, which I had started having trouble with. The daily headaches went away after a few weeks. Effexor did help me for a while, although I had to keep upping the dose. If you read these postings, then I hope you will be very careful with Effexor. Good luck.
> Hi everyone! Just starting effexor xr, 37.5 mg. Up to 75 next week. I've read some really horrible things about side effects and withdrawl, has anyone had positive results? Also, since starting the effexor, i've had a headache (of migraine proportions) every morning--does anyone know if this is a side effect?
> Thanks for any help!
> Lisa
Posted by Seraphim on March 26, 2001, at 9:39:27
In reply to ihavefoundsanity, posted by noodlesinstrudle on March 26, 2001, at 1:50:42
I'm coming off 300mg, also. The sweating at cool temps. has been terribly embarassing at times. Sweating through a meeting is the worst. I'm down to 150mg and have been experiencing itchiness, which is starting to drive me crazy. Suddenly I will feel itchy all over, and I'll start looking for ants or mosquitoes, but of course it's just me. Itching and sweating is not doing great things for my career. Did you experience this also? I'm praying it will go away soon. My concentration has been shot. Please update me, I'm hoping for the best for you, and all of us.
> i just stopped effexor after a yr and a half stint with paxil and effexor. my god. i feel like i have lost my mind. its only been three weeks and i am speaking highly about this "comin back to reality", but my iq seems to have been slaughtered. i was premed, but now i have the worst time studying. cant concentrate. but on the flip side i nearly through a party when my bowels were finally consistent for once in a while. aside from that, i get those brain freezes, and i shake out of nowhere. before i quit effexor 300 ml, i would sweat at 72f for no reason. and i thought i was crazy because my doc's (plural) didnt believe me of my symptoms. and then i found this forum. im not alone. its so wonderful to see im not alone. (but all of you i wish never went through this horrible painstaking experience). i cant wait for my brain to be able to do simple division. i predict 10 weeks with added exercise, but who the hell knows.
Posted by Seraphim on March 26, 2001, at 10:00:30
In reply to A Very Interesting Forum................, posted by Leo on March 24, 2001, at 16:27:24
Leo,
Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly.
I am hoping I can somehow get the information you have compiled. Things just keep getting worse and the wear and tear is really starting to show. I'd like to present the information I have come across, my horrid experiences, and the material you have gathered to my doctors and also to my husband. He has only the vaguest notion of what I have been going through. The worst of all of this is having those closest to me, and my doctors (family physician and psychiatrist) pretty much dismiss the symptoms and ailments I have been presenting. My family physician kept telling me I must have some recurring, resistant flu-like virus. My psychiatrist just nods his head, takes notes and sends me on my way. I'm not a hypochondriac and never have been. I used to be the picture of health. I look at pictures from three years ago and cry for the person I have lost. I'm hoping if I can present proof of some type, it will help. Anything would be appreciated at this point. Thanks.
Posted by Pamela on March 26, 2001, at 11:54:22
In reply to Re: Effexor Free--Pamela, posted by Seraphim on March 25, 2001, at 21:20:48
> Pamela,
>
> Please tell me more, and update me on your progress. I've gone from 300mg - 150mg in two weeks. I'm having a very hard time maintaining. I too thank God I found this site. I decided to get the Effexor out of my system after a few nightmare days of unintentional withdrawal. I'm trying to work, continue to be Mom and Wife, and maintain some semblance of normalcy. I've never been so sick and tired, I am living in a constant state of discomfort, nausea and abdominal pain. I know many out there have spoken of taking other medications to help counteract the symptoms of this one, but I'm having a real hard time trying to justify putting more drugs into my system and having to think about the potential side effects and withdrawal symptoms from the new ones. It does help to hear that I'm not alone. No one else in my life understands what I'm going through, and to tell you the truth, I'd rather they not. Probably a little pride speaking there. Anyway, I would like to hear more from you. Thanks.
>
> SeraphimHi Seraphim,
Well I ended up in ER yesrerday morning again, day six. they kept me for 3 1/2 hours, ran every test in the world and then said I had an inner ear infection. YEAH RIGHT!!! Oh and the pain, headaches abdominal pain, shortness of breath is a virus.
It just happend to start the day after I stopped taking the Effexor. I haven't been sick in years. I have always been a health nut until the depression. Though it was circumstantial and did not last long, I am afraid it might come back along with the withdrawals. I hate this!
I would give anything for "doctors" to come into the new age of people knowing alot more about their bodies than in the old days. Let go of their God complex and listen to the patient.
I left the ER telling the doctor that I am absolutely convinced it is the Effexor. I then said what if I still have these symptoms in a week, He said you won't, it will all be out of your body by then. Boy would I love to believe that, so I will for now. Positive thinking !
I will keep you posted and plese don't hesitate to e-mail me if you need to talk. PGTOOSWEET@aol.com
God Bless, I'll keep you in my prayers.
Pamela
Posted by McGuyver on March 26, 2001, at 11:54:40
In reply to effexor side effects/withdrawl, posted by kckboxgrl on March 25, 2001, at 23:15:03
Ignore all the horrible stories and make up your own mind. I wish you luck. Check out some of these posts but as I said, take it with a grain of salt. I wrote one about the side effects I first had, and the use of caffine a while ago. P/L check it out, it could be your use of it. Yes, I did have side effects, not as bad as it seems. Again, I wish you luck. And to whomsever else, (Blazer, Noddie, etc..), how do we start a new post for people like us?
McGuyver
> Hi everyone! Just starting effexor xr, 37.5 mg. Up to 75 next week. I've read some really horrible things about side effects and withdrawl, has anyone had positive results? Also, since starting the effexor, i've had a headache (of migraine proportions) every morning--does anyone know if this is a side effect?
> Thanks for any help!
> Lisa
Posted by Leo on March 26, 2001, at 12:02:46
In reply to Re: A Very Interesting Forum................ » Leo, posted by Seraphim on March 26, 2001, at 10:00:30
I will post all that I have compiled up to this point when I get a chance. I think we will all find it very interesting as well as enlightening.
Be reassured that you are not going crazy. Try not to deal with the past. Going back only keeps you from going forward. Assess where you are now and focus on getting better. Eat right and start getting some exercise. Excercising is going to be the tough part. I printed out quite a few of the posts, as they related to me, and let those around me that didn't understand why I was "acting" the way I was, read them. It helped them to understand what I was experincing. In the meantime, drink at least 8 glasses of water a day. This will help you to void the drug from your body. When the withdrawal becomes incapacitating, lay down if you can. This is the hard part, but laying as still as you can helps to lesson the effects of the withdrawal. You will get through this. Not overnight, but it will subside. I am now eight weeks away from this horrific drug and its effects. I am still dealing with the fatigue issue. Moderate to severe. My thinking is extremely clear and my mental state is beyond fantastic. None of the depression or anxiety that I was experincing while on the drug now exists. I had an incident yesterday where I experinced what I would classify as a severe "flashback" of the withdrawal symptoms. I called my doctor, who is a good friend of mine. I described what was going on and he had me meet him at the hospital. I asked him why and he said that it sounded like I was having a stroke only without the numbness. I had to have my daughter do the driving because I couldn't. (She was lovin life, she just got here license)When we got there, I was examined and he immediately sent me up for a CT. I hate CT's.
To make a long story short.....there was no evidence that I had had a stroke. While at the hospital, I was still experienced extreme dizziness, light headedness and slurred speech. Nobody at the hospital could give me a medical answer as to why this was occuring. The "falshback" lasted for about 7 hours and then subsided. Today, I feel like I have the flu. Especially the aching muscles. Otherwise, I feel fine.Hang in there. You'll get through this. Start working on a plan to rehab your physical body. That will make a difference. It will help improve your state of mind. Be aware of what's going on through the withdrawal process so you can identify the longterm effects that seem to be rearing their ugly heads with a large number of ex-effexor users.
Posted by goofy on March 26, 2001, at 13:15:19
In reply to Re: beginning to wean hopefully losing weight, posted by vanroni on March 26, 2001, at 7:06:27
> > > The way I was able to do it was as follows: I was on 75.mg for 1 yr. when I decided to quit because of the side effects. I went to 37.5 for 10 days. 18.75 for 5 days, 9.375 for 5 days. 4.68 for 5 days, then i went off the drug. It has been 12 days and I feel great. I opened the capsules and divided the contents as previously suggested by some of these posts. I want to thank you all because IAM NOW EFFEXOR FREE and I did not have to go to another drug to help withdrawl from this horrible drug.
> > > goofy
> >
> > >goofy
> > i'm glad to hear how it worked for you- very encouraging.... i've been on 37.5xr for 5 days now & feel soo good.... a few side effects the first couple of days but not too bad... i'm going to try to 18.75 as you had done today & see what happens... i just want it out of me!
> V-
V
Iam glad you are doing well. I also had a few side effects for a couple of days after I decreased my dose. Thankfully they were tolerable. I still feel a little fuzzy and have not lost any of the weight but hopefully this will change. It amazes me how a drug that seemed to work fine in the begining could all of a sudden have all of these wiered side effects. I am glad the effexor is working fine for other people on this site but iam glad to be off with the side effects of just feeling a little fuzzy and fat.goofy
Posted by kckboxgrl on March 26, 2001, at 15:31:34
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
McGuyver,
Thanks for you message, I appreciate not being deluged in positive or negative information. Although I respect everyone's opinions, I know I need to figure out how it will work for me, specifically, and I suppose with that comes the responsibility of dealing with both the wanted and possible unwanted effects. The headaches are gone now, but I was exhausted today. I'm still not sure if it's b/c i took it in the am or b/c my sleep has been disturbed for a few days since starting the effexor. I plan to stick with it at least a few months, at which time we'll see if the negatives outweigh the positives. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks again!
-Lisa
Posted by vanroni on March 26, 2001, at 17:02:39
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by kckboxgrl on March 26, 2001, at 15:31:34
Lisa,
the best thing to do is stick it out.... i didn't have any negative effects until about 1 month ago -- after being on the med for 8 mons....
it was great for me until then... i don't know if the effects are from the med or it's just time for me to "go it alone"... anyway, definately hang in there & read the posts w/ an open mind....
V-
Posted by Marlane on March 26, 2001, at 21:53:21
In reply to Re: Real or Mindset McGuyver, posted by blazer on March 23, 2001, at 8:08:20
> > As we wrote in other post's... read them. Try some MDMA, that will really get the seritonine going... In my opinion, anybody can go to any doctor, and be "diagnosed" with almost any illness. I know for a fact I'm depressed, but the crap is working for me. Check the other posts, every-one is different. Anyone with intellegence, other than spelling, can pretty musch research and fake anything. My one guy that helped me years ago get off illegal drugs, faked appendicitus, to get morphie. It worked, but after the doctor knew. He's got his organ in a jar as the last reminderr. Point being, anyone can fake it. My sisters father/sister in law, whom ar pharmisists, one with PHd, both say nothing but positives of the drug. That's cause it works for a LOT of people. Sorry, I wasn't going to write again. Good-Bye all, and I do wish you luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > > You know, I had a wonderful post but wasn't registered and apparently lost it in that process. I am very upset by that because it was good and took a very long time for all the process. Suffice it to say that I have many side effects of this EffexorXR, and it has only been the last 2 days that I have figured out those side effects are from this drug! It is not a mindset. I thought there were other reasons, but the skin rash finally made me look for other answers. I am a mess because of this drug, I am weaning myself off of it! I don't deny that it got me out of my deep depression last Dec., but I had to raise the dose to 300mg.to have it work. Now the myoclonus, weight gain,sleep disturbances, joint and muscle pain, including TOS,plus more have been answered for me, for many here have had these and more problems. I will use other means for serotonin support, I know of a couple things that will work. Write me if you wish!
>
> What other alternatives do you have in mind once you get off this??> >I have no idea what MDMA is. Would somebody please tell me??? Also, regarding alternatives to these man made chemicals, there are natural alternatives that are better than some. I happen to know that because I am with a company that manufactures standardized herbals and nutritionals. The particular one I am thinking about is to stop food cravings by satisfying the brain with neuronutrients to support proper brain chemistry. The scientist who developed this calls it the "reward cascade". It is patented, and it works to help a person not crave carbohydrates or food in general. I don't know if it would work to help me get off of the effexor, or if I can take it in place of eff. I need to contact the biochemist at the company to see if this is something I can do first. I hope to be able to and will let you know if it would be a viable alternative.
Their herbal blend for depression has a proprietary set of ingredients, it isn't just St. John's Wort. I do know that it helps my son who is 22 and has Down Syndrome. We tried him on Zoloft and inside of 2 weeks he was grinding his teeth!! I researched and found that to be a side effect, and we tried it for the 1 month only, slowly weaning him off. I am so glad that I didn't continue him on any other ssri's. He surely doesn't need to end up like his mother at this point! Hurting all the time and no motivation whatsoever...
Did you see that Serafem is really Prozac re-named?? Now they want women w/PMS to take Prozac!! I guess their patent ran out, and they are remarketing this drug in another vein to gain another umpteen-million more users. And Time magazine is doing a HUGE right-up on Paxil. I started w/that and dr. switched me to effexor cuz she thought I would lose weight on it. I gained steadily, and have never weighed this much in my life! I hate drug companies! All they seem to care about is the almighty dollar!
Posted by Canuck on March 27, 2001, at 0:55:08
In reply to Effexor and pregnancy, posted by ChristinaG on October 23, 2000, at 16:10:39
Just a quick note to say that I have had great results with Effexor XR. I did have a few side effects in the first three days. I had nausea for the first few hours after taking the drug. I also had a hard time sleeping for the first few nights, but I was having a hard time sleeping before the med anyway. And then there was the constant yawning that I could not control. (That could be guite comical depending on where I was.) But I am happy to say that all of that has ended now and I am feeling great. I am feeling more and more like my old self every day. I don't pretend to think that this drug will have the same effect on everyone, but it has done wonders for me. I do wonder, however; if the reason that there are far more unhappy people than happy ones posting on this web sight is because the happy ones aren't looking for a forum to sing Effexor XR's praises. If you are taking the medication and are having good results, why would you bother looking for a sight on the internet? I only found this sight purely by chance one night when I first started taking the med. Let me say, had I read many of the postings before I started taking the drug, I would not have taken it. This would have done me a great disservice. I have always just checked in on this sight and read the postings, but today I feel compelled to share my "good" Effexor XR story. Thank you for your time.
Canuck
Posted by pat123 on March 27, 2001, at 1:16:04
In reply to Another satisfied customer!, posted by Canuck on March 27, 2001, at 0:55:08
I don't pretend to think that this drug will have the same effect on everyone, but it has done wonders for me. I do wonder, however; if the reason that there are far more unhappy people than happy ones posting on this web sight is because the happy ones aren't looking for a forum to sing Effexor XR's praises. If you are taking the medication and are having good results, why would you bother looking for a sight on the internet? I only found this sight purely by chance one night when I first started taking the med. Let me say, had I read many of the postings before I started taking the drug, I would not have taken it. This would have done me a great disservice.
James here....
Points well taken; we need to be reminded of this often. This board in no way represents a true sample of people and how they do on meds. I do well on meds and have for 2 decades. It did take a while to find the right ones, though.
James
Posted by annj on March 27, 2001, at 1:50:27
In reply to Re: Another satisfied customer!, posted by pat123 on March 27, 2001, at 1:16:04
I know that some people have to be on the drugs to be ok. I think drugs including effexor are a miracle for some people. I also know that many people, when or if they get off the drugs have terrible physical withdrawls which is what upsets me. We received no warning of what we would go through trying to get off these drugs. And worse yet, many of our doctors don't believe us, when we tell them what is going on. I am not totally anti. I think drugs can be helpful in controlling mood. But some of them are terrible to get off of.
> I don't pretend to think that this drug will have the same effect on everyone, but it has done wonders for me. I do wonder, however; if the reason that there are far more unhappy people than happy ones posting on this web sight is because the happy ones aren't looking for a forum to sing Effexor XR's praises. If you are taking the medication and are having good results, why would you bother looking for a sight on the internet? I only found this sight purely by chance one night when I first started taking the med. Let me say, had I read many of the postings before I started taking the drug, I would not have taken it. This would have done me a great disservice.
>
> James here....
>
> Points well taken; we need to be reminded of this often. This board in no way represents a true sample of people and how they do on meds. I do well on meds and have for 2 decades. It did take a while to find the right ones, though.
>
> James
Posted by McGuyver on March 27, 2001, at 9:16:32
In reply to Re: Real or Mindset McGuyver to blazer, posted by Marlane on March 26, 2001, at 21:53:21
You hate drug companies huh? Funny. FYI MDMA=Extacy, the street, club/Rave drug you might have been hearing about.
> > > As we wrote in other post's... read them. Try some MDMA, that will really get the seritonine going... In my opinion, anybody can go to any doctor, and be "diagnosed" with almost any illness. I know for a fact I'm depressed, but the crap is working for me. Check the other posts, every-one is different. Anyone with intellegence, other than spelling, can pretty musch research and fake anything. My one guy that helped me years ago get off illegal drugs, faked appendicitus, to get morphie. It worked, but after the doctor knew. He's got his organ in a jar as the last reminderr. Point being, anyone can fake it. My sisters father/sister in law, whom ar pharmisists, one with PHd, both say nothing but positives of the drug. That's cause it works for a LOT of people. Sorry, I wasn't going to write again. Good-Bye all, and I do wish you luck.
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> > > > You know, I had a wonderful post but wasn't registered and apparently lost it in that process. I am very upset by that because it was good and took a very long time for all the process. Suffice it to say that I have many side effects of this EffexorXR, and it has only been the last 2 days that I have figured out those side effects are from this drug! It is not a mindset. I thought there were other reasons, but the skin rash finally made me look for other answers. I am a mess because of this drug, I am weaning myself off of it! I don't deny that it got me out of my deep depression last Dec., but I had to raise the dose to 300mg.to have it work. Now the myoclonus, weight gain,sleep disturbances, joint and muscle pain, including TOS,plus more have been answered for me, for many here have had these and more problems. I will use other means for serotonin support, I know of a couple things that will work. Write me if you wish!
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> > >I have no idea what MDMA is. Would somebody please tell me??? Also, regarding alternatives to these man made chemicals, there are natural alternatives that are better than some. I happen to know that because I am with a company that manufactures standardized herbals and nutritionals. The particular one I am thinking about is to stop food cravings by satisfying the brain with neuronutrients to support proper brain chemistry. The scientist who developed this calls it the "reward cascade". It is patented, and it works to help a person not crave carbohydrates or food in general. I don't know if it would work to help me get off of the effexor, or if I can take it in place of eff. I need to contact the biochemist at the company to see if this is something I can do first. I hope to be able to and will let you know if it would be a viable alternative.
> Their herbal blend for depression has a proprietary set of ingredients, it isn't just St. John's Wort. I do know that it helps my son who is 22 and has Down Syndrome. We tried him on Zoloft and inside of 2 weeks he was grinding his teeth!! I researched and found that to be a side effect, and we tried it for the 1 month only, slowly weaning him off. I am so glad that I didn't continue him on any other ssri's. He surely doesn't need to end up like his mother at this point! Hurting all the time and no motivation whatsoever...
> Did you see that Serafem is really Prozac re-named?? Now they want women w/PMS to take Prozac!! I guess their patent ran out, and they are remarketing this drug in another vein to gain another umpteen-million more users. And Time magazine is doing a HUGE right-up on Paxil. I started w/that and dr. switched me to effexor cuz she thought I would lose weight on it. I gained steadily, and have never weighed this much in my life! I hate drug companies! All they seem to care about is the almighty dollar!
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