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Posted by Janie on March 24, 2001, at 15:00:30
In reply to Re: 7 weeks effexor free, posted by Pamela on March 24, 2001, at 13:41:25
Just a suggestion for all who may be withdrawing from Effexor. If you feel like crap, just take whatever dosage will curtail the side effects, and go down from there. I, personally, cut the dosage by hours...from every 24 to 36 to 48 and so on. My baseline was 37.5 mg. If I got rocky a couple of days without anything, I just popped another pill. BINGO!! The next cycle, it was 3 days later, the next 4 days later....It just ain't necessary to suffer (unless you enjoy it).
Posted by Cam W. on March 24, 2001, at 15:05:41
In reply to Re: Effexor for Life! Cam?, posted by willow on March 24, 2001, at 13:09:14
Willow - Although Effexor has been around less than ten years, I have seen no long term adverse effects while still taking th med. There is a risk of poop-out, but I doubt that it is as common as with the SSRIs.
Hope this helps - Cam
> "This week when I had my prescriptions refilled I enquired how long I would be taking and how long it is safe to take it. My doctor replied for life."
>
> Cam
> The benefits of this drug for myself outweigh any of the side-effects. As a pharmascist do you know of any reason why I couldn't stay on it as long as I'm experiencing a benefit from the medication?
>
> Thanks again for your help!
> Willow
Posted by Janie on March 24, 2001, at 15:46:47
In reply to On a More Constructive Note..., posted by Janie on March 24, 2001, at 15:00:30
> Just a suggestion for all who may be withdrawing from Effexor. If you feel like crap, just take whatever dosage will curtail the side effects, and go down from there. I, personally, cut the dosage by hours...from every 24 to 36 to 48 and so on. My baseline was 37.5 mg. If I got rocky a couple of days without anything, I just popped another pill. BINGO!! The next cycle, it was 3 days later, the next 4 days later....It just ain't necessary to suffer (unless you enjoy it).
P.S. I might also mention (which most of you probably know) that Effexor comes in 25mg tablets that are not time release and are scored. Soooooo, if you have difficulty cutting your XR in half because of the limited dosages available in XR form, you have the option of "embellishing" your XR with a little regular Effexor in 25mg, 12.5mg increments. If you have a REALLY sharp knife..........
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 24, 2001, at 15:50:26
In reply to Re: Real or Mindset - Janie, posted by Janie on March 24, 2001, at 14:25:28
> I am sorry you're so naïve...
> You are the type of person who allows this kind of thing to go on in this society, a little selfish maybe? Open your eyes before it's too late.
> I am angry.
> Do you realize how ridiculous you sound...
> we are angry ad have every right to be.
> You suffer from the medical "God" syndrome...
> And you wonder why you are getting such hostile response, I'll tell you. IGNORANCE!!! Grow up and shed the tunnel vision.
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> I am not interested in your prayers, but Thanks. I also don't post here to win friends, but to influence people.
Friends are sometimes the people best able to influence someone...
> YOU elected to take your drugs, and have the option of discontinuance. WHO promised YOU a Rose Garden in life
> If one reads your rantings, it becomes quite clear who the 3 year old is here. I do believe I've struck a nerve. You're over the edge, dear girl. I suggest the next step for you is Haldol, and lots of it.
> Pop an anti-victim pill and chill.
The idea here is support and education. Please keep negative opinions of others, however justified you feel they may be, to yourself.
You may have every right to be angry, but freedom of choice on these boards is limited. Expressing it may be helpful for you, but destructive for these communities.
If you think you've struck a nerve, better not to keep pushing.
Please be civil here. Otherwise, I'll need to block you from posting. Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups, if any, regarding this should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by Leo on March 24, 2001, at 16:27:24
In reply to Re: Effexor for Life! Cam?, posted by Pamela on March 24, 2001, at 13:31:43
Well………………..this certainly has been a very interesting forum over the last 72 hours. I hope that of us who have been fortunate enough to overcome our depression haven’t relapsed and that those of you that are still struggling with the disease haven’t sunken deeper into the abyss while reading these posts.
I have spent the last twenty years as a freelance investigative research professional. I have researched and prepared documents on an enormous variety of subject matter, under contractual agreements, for various agency’s, organizations, corporations and privately funded “think tanks” from around the world. These assignments have lasted anywhere from 6 hours to 6 years, depending on the subject matter. I have undertaken, on my own, and because of my personal experience as it is related to effexor, some investigative research on the drug. Now, when one investigates a subject, it is broken down into two categories: objective and subjective. The objective category deals strictly with the facts that surround the subject matter. The subjective category deals solely with the emotions and opinions that surround the subject matter. 99.9% of any subject is shrouded in emotion and opinion. Focusing emotions and opinions along with personal attacks on a subject, without a doubt, obscure the facts and are extremely counter-productive. However, no matter how one goes about debating the subject or issue at hand, you CAN NEVER DISPUTE THE FACTS.
I’m sure that Dr. Bob established this website to for people to read shared experiences. This is an excellent therapy practice. Mainly because of the support that it offers all of us in one form or another. People come to this website seeking answers, support and help, not to be attacked. They are coming to this website and the others out there because they, like I was, are FRIGHTENED by what they are experiencing. These people, like I was, are suffering from physical and emotional withdrawal so intense, that they are wondering if they are going to make it through the day without some catastrophic event occurring that is going to harm them. No one, including his or her doctor, has an answer. The med supplements that are supplied with the medication DO NOT address the withdrawal associated with effexor, do not warn if its dependency and vaguely address its side effects. Hence, an extremely FRIGHTENING experience for those, like me, who have never been there before. During the initial shock of withdrawal from this drug and well after its being discontinued, there are hundreds of people that are continuing to report experiences with one or more of the side effects from this drug. Why is it that Wyeth-Ayerst has yet to come forward with ALL the facts associated with this drug? Trust me when I tell you that they are well aware of what we know. There are FACTS in experience. No matter how mild or extreme. Those of us that have gotten off this drug and have related our experiences are Wyeth-Ayersts “post trial” studies. When you eliminate the emotions and opinions in these and the hundreds of other sites on the internet dedicated solely to this drug, you find a huge thread of commonalties that allows one to deal solely with facts. Failure of the developer and manufacturer of this drug to FULLY disclose ALL the facts about effexor only forces them to dig a deeper, darker hole for themselves. One that they may very well end up being buried in. This lack of disclosure is my primary concern. All the facts need to be disclosed to a potential user of the drug so they are not broad-sided by its effects. This so they can make an educated decision before they going forward with using the drug. If they know what to expect, then the fear will be lessoned.
Finally, I think all of us will agree that this is an excellent site that offers information and support. Personal attacks on each other are extremely counter-productive and have no positive outcome. I will continue to post my “post” effexor experiences. I feel that this is important and I think that all of us should. We should all be respectful and civil towards the personal experiences related here and try to stay as objective as we can. We all share commonalities in these experiences. We should be helping and supporting each other through our experiences, good or bad, not attacking. I am here to offer whatever help I can, especially with those of you how are going through the withdrawal from the drug. This site helped me survive an extremely frightening and unexpected experience. Now, go do something that will make you laugh!!! It's good medicine. Thank you Dr. Bob.Regards,
Leo
Posted by Pamela on March 24, 2001, at 18:20:46
In reply to Re: please be civil » Pamela, Janie, posted by Dr. Bob on March 24, 2001, at 15:50:26
> > I am sorry you're so naïve...
>
> > You are the type of person who allows this kind of thing to go on in this society, a little selfish maybe? Open your eyes before it's too late.
>
> > I am angry.
>
> > Do you realize how ridiculous you sound...
>
> > we are angry ad have every right to be.
>
> > You suffer from the medical "God" syndrome...
>
> > And you wonder why you are getting such hostile response, I'll tell you. IGNORANCE!!! Grow up and shed the tunnel vision.
>
> --------
>
> > I am not interested in your prayers, but Thanks. I also don't post here to win friends, but to influence people.
>
> Friends are sometimes the people best able to influence someone...
>
> > YOU elected to take your drugs, and have the option of discontinuance. WHO promised YOU a Rose Garden in life
>
> > If one reads your rantings, it becomes quite clear who the 3 year old is here. I do believe I've struck a nerve. You're over the edge, dear girl. I suggest the next step for you is Haldol, and lots of it.
>
> > Pop an anti-victim pill and chill.
>
> The idea here is support and education. Please keep negative opinions of others, however justified you feel they may be, to yourself.
>
> You may have every right to be angry, but freedom of choice on these boards is limited. Expressing it may be helpful for you, but destructive for these communities.
>
> If you think you've struck a nerve, better not to keep pushing.
>
> Please be civil here. Otherwise, I'll need to block you from posting. Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Follow-ups, if any, regarding this should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.Dear Dr. Bob,
You are absolutely correct and I apologize, once again yet another side effect popping out. ANGER and AGRESSION. I am very grateful for your site
and I will not respond to a Janie or anyone else in this fashion again. It's really my style anyway.
Thanks for the scolding and thanks to Leo as well.
Sincerely,
Pamela
Posted by Janie on March 24, 2001, at 19:29:09
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Pamela on March 24, 2001, at 18:20:46
>
> Dear Dr. Bob,
> You are absolutely correct and I apologize, once again yet another side effect popping out. ANGER and AGRESSION. I am very grateful for your site
> and I will not respond to a Janie or anyone else in this fashion again. It's really my style anyway.
> Thanks for the scolding and thanks to Leo as well.
> Sincerely,
> Pamela
__________With all due respect to Dr. Bob and Pamela,
I also agree that things did get a BIT out of hand. I fell onto this site by accident one day while doing some research on Effexor. It appeared to be an interesting discussion of the drug, and I had the initial impression that posters were not emotionally skewed, either pro or con toward its usage. Some things in life we learn the hard way.I was placed on Effexor in June of 2000 secondary to "hitting the wall' after spending 10 years in one of America's most violent and busy emergency rooms, working behind metal detectors and beside armed security guards. My problem was not depression, but anxiety resulting from day-after-day attempts to care for as many as 120-130 patients simultaneouly with nursing shortages and life and death on the line about every 45 minutes. I do believe I live in the real world; the real world is my problem.
I have made a sincere effort in my posts to clarify my position on Effexor usage and withdrawal, the patient's right to refuse further treatment secondary to adverse side effects, as well as the patient's responsibility to take charge of his/her life. Hopefully, some of my remarks have been useful and informative.
And now for an evening of J.S. Bach...the greatest Elixir of all.
PEACE and Be Well
Janie
Posted by Justineb on March 24, 2001, at 19:57:42
In reply to 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Leo on March 19, 2001, at 18:06:54
I've been on Effexor (75mg) for about a year and until the medication stopped working two months ago, I was very happy with it. I have previously taken Lithium, Paxil, and Zoloft on a daily basis as well as Clonapin and Trazadone on an as needed basis. I have NEVER experienced the horrifying withdrawel symptoms I experienced trying to get off Effexor when I stopped any of the before mentioned drugs (even Paxil, notoriously hard to get off of didn't affect me the way Effexor did).
Blackouts, siezure, brain-buzzing and headache, slurred speech, inability to concentrate. After four days of this my psych put me back on the Effexor at a half dose and I have been weaning down by the incredibly slow method of succesively reducing my intake of the medication by one granule per day. In the mean time, I am so stressed out that I have hives! and am fearful of taking any other medication. I can't believe that some folks are taking up to 300mg. I keep thinking - how in the hell are they going to get off of it?
Posted by Justineb on March 24, 2001, at 20:11:40
In reply to McGuyver - A Breath of Fresh Air, posted by Cam W. on March 23, 2001, at 8:45:15
Dear Friend,
Effexor is awesome while it works. I took 75mg for a year before it lost its effectiveness and it was the best damn year of my life. It's been common for me to have to change anti-d's about every other year or so. I seem to build some kind of tolerance and upping the dose only brings out massive side effects in me (I'm pretty drug-sensitive I guess). There were no complaints from my corner about being on the drug, it was getting off of the drug that was loony. I was (underline, italicize, exclamation) Strung Out! My psych was completely flabbergasted. She had no idea that Effexor could produce withdrawl symptoms that bad. If she had known (ie; if the company that makes this drug had told her) she could have spared me a lot of pain. She would never have taken a patient on benzodiazapenes off of their meds cold turkey. Effexor withdrawl is so similair to benzodiazopene (controlled substance) withdrawl in some people that doctors and patients really need to be informed before they make the decision to take the drug. I know I would have thought twice about it.
Posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Justineb on March 24, 2001, at 19:57:42
I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
Ha
Posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:33:34
In reply to Re: withdrawal, posted by jeanette on April 14, 2000, at 6:58:11
For the past year or so, I have had many of the side effects of Effexxor (withdrawel) while exercising (weight training and cycling). Is this common? What about bleeding sinus problems?
Thanks, and fell free to email me!
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 10:29:16
In reply to Re: Effexor for Life! Cam? » willow, posted by Cam W. on March 24, 2001, at 15:05:41
"There is a risk of poop-out, but I doubt that it is as common as with the SSRIs."
Will upping the dose counter-act this?
Posted by Cam W. on March 25, 2001, at 12:38:49
In reply to Poop-out -Cam?, posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 10:29:16
> "There is a risk of poop-out, but I doubt that it is as common as with the SSRIs."
>
> Will upping the dose counter-act this?Willow - Usually upping the dose can counter Effexor poop-out. You don't see poop-out with Effexor, that often, but because you get more antidepressant effect as you increase the dose of Effexor (unlike SSRIs whose effect eventually plateaus). An increase in dose probably can be done, before a change in med. - Cam
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 12:43:13
In reply to Re: Real or Mindset - Janie, posted by Pamela on March 24, 2001, at 13:22:17
"How can you be psychosomatic if you have no idea what the side effects are."
I'm no doctor but have done some reading on this topic because literally this is my diagnosis. From what you are describing I think it is more along the lines of having hypochondriatic symptoms. eg. Excessive worrying that one may have an illness. What I think some of the people may be having with the withdrawal from effexor are symptoms of somatisation, which is internalising their emotions. Everyone does this. eg. When nervous palms begin to sweat.
"I went to the emergency room thinking I was dying.... the second day off of Effexor."
You were probably experiencing anxiety and often anxiety is an emotion accompanied by physical symptoms. eg. pounding heart and/or nervous stomache As I said earlier, I have a somatisation disorder and the symptoms people are describing match what I have lived with for the past five years.
"I had no idea it was that and had no idea what the "STATED" side effects were."
The physcial symptoms are not imagined but worsened or heightened with emotional stress. And these physcical symptoms that are affected by emotions are the same for all people, thus the stated side effects. You may want to read about "generalized anxiety disorder."
I hope this is understandable.
Whispering Willow
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 12:50:03
In reply to A Very Interesting Forum................, posted by Leo on March 24, 2001, at 16:27:24
Leo
Very well put!
thanks for taking the time ...
Willow
Posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:47:59
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
> I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
>
> HaDear Sammy,
I don't knowh ow youa e doing it going from 150mg to zero. I went from 75 mg to 37.5 then to alf that and half that etc. When I finally went completely off, all of the symtoms you describe (except the sinus) plus dizziness (severe) and pain (incredible). I wish you well and I totally agree, read my Back to the Urgent Care thread if you're interested in our wonderful doctors. If you get too bad I would suggest going at least to 37.5 for awhile, I found keeping at least a little bit in my system for a short period of time, helps. I know i wanted to quit cold turkey too, thinking the weaning was about depression coming back, Yeah I am drepressed allright..... because I feel physically terrile.
Prayers are with you,
Pamela
Posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:48:17
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
> I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
>
> HaDear Sammy,
I don't knowh ow youa e doing it going from 150mg to zero. I went from 75 mg to 37.5 then to alf that and half that etc. When I finally went completely off, all of the symtoms you describe (except the sinus) plus dizziness (severe) and pain (incredible). I wish you well and I totally agree, read my Back to the Urgent Care thread if you're interested in our wonderful doctors. If you get too bad I would suggest going at least to 37.5 for awhile, I found keeping at least a little bit in my system for a short period of time, helps. I know i wanted to quit cold turkey too, thinking the weaning was about depression coming back, Yeah I am drepressed allright..... because I feel physically terrile.
Prayers are with you,
Pamela
Posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:52:13
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Sammy Shuford on March 24, 2001, at 22:17:10
> I am now 1 week free, dropped from 150mg to ZERO. Major headaches, vertigo, sinus type problems, and a little hot headed. All signs that I NEED to be free of this drug. No real depression. My depression stopped after my blood sugar dropped from 300mg/dl to normal 85-90. But the "good" doc insisted that we increase, it s good stuff.
>
> HaDear Sammy,
I don't knowh ow youa e doing it going from 150mg to zero. I went from 75 mg to 37.5 then to alf that and half that etc. When I finally went completely off, all of the symtoms you describe (except the sinus) plus dizziness (severe) and pain (incredible). I wish you well and I totally agree, read my Back to the Urgent Care thread if you're interested in our wonderful doctors. If you get too bad I would suggest going at least to 37.5 for awhile, I found keeping at least a little bit in my system for a short period of time, helps. I know I wanted to quit cold turkey too, thinking the weaning was about depression coming back, Yeah.. I am drepressed allright..... because I feel physically terrible.
Prayers are with you,
Pamela
Posted by Seraphim on March 25, 2001, at 21:20:48
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Pamela,
Please tell me more, and update me on your progress. I've gone from 300mg - 150mg in two weeks. I'm having a very hard time maintaining. I too thank God I found this site. I decided to get the Effexor out of my system after a few nightmare days of unintentional withdrawal. I'm trying to work, continue to be Mom and Wife, and maintain some semblance of normalcy. I've never been so sick and tired, I am living in a constant state of discomfort, nausea and abdominal pain. I know many out there have spoken of taking other medications to help counteract the symptoms of this one, but I'm having a real hard time trying to justify putting more drugs into my system and having to think about the potential side effects and withdrawal symptoms from the new ones. It does help to hear that I'm not alone. No one else in my life understands what I'm going through, and to tell you the truth, I'd rather they not. Probably a little pride speaking there. Anyway, I would like to hear more from you. Thanks.
Seraphim
Posted by willow on March 25, 2001, at 21:22:24
In reply to Re: Poop-out -Cam? » willow, posted by Cam W. on March 25, 2001, at 12:38:49
> > "There is a risk of poop-out, but I doubt that it is as common as with the SSRIs."
> >
> > Will upping the dose counter-act this?
>
> Willow - Usually upping the dose can counter Effexor poop-out. You don't see poop-out with Effexor, that often, but because you get more antidepressant effect as you increase the dose of Effexor (unlike SSRIs whose effect eventually plateaus). An increase in dose probably can be done, before a change in med. - Cam
Posted by kckboxgrl on March 25, 2001, at 23:15:03
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hi everyone! Just starting effexor xr, 37.5 mg. Up to 75 next week. I've read some really horrible things about side effects and withdrawl, has anyone had positive results? Also, since starting the effexor, i've had a headache (of migraine proportions) every morning--does anyone know if this is a side effect?
Thanks for any help!
Lisa
Posted by noodlesinstrudle on March 26, 2001, at 1:50:42
In reply to Re: 7 WEEKS--EFFEXOR FREE, posted by Pamela on March 25, 2001, at 17:52:13
i just stopped effexor after a yr and a half stint with paxil and effexor. my god. i feel like i have lost my mind. its only been three weeks and i am speaking highly about this "comin back to reality", but my iq seems to have been slaughtered. i was premed, but now i have the worst time studying. cant concentrate. but on the flip side i nearly through a party when my bowels were finally consistent for once in a while. aside from that, i get those brain freezes, and i shake out of nowhere. before i quit effexor 300 ml, i would sweat at 72f for no reason. and i thought i was crazy because my doc's (plural) didnt believe me of my symptoms. and then i found this forum. im not alone. its so wonderful to see im not alone. (but all of you i wish never went through this horrible painstaking experience). i cant wait for my brain to be able to do simple division. i predict 10 weeks with added exercise, but who the hell knows.
Posted by vanroni on March 26, 2001, at 7:06:27
In reply to Re: beginning to wean hopefully losing weight » goofy, posted by cjf on March 22, 2001, at 20:47:24
> > The way I was able to do it was as follows: I was on 75.mg for 1 yr. when I decided to quit because of the side effects. I went to 37.5 for 10 days. 18.75 for 5 days, 9.375 for 5 days. 4.68 for 5 days, then i went off the drug. It has been 12 days and I feel great. I opened the capsules and divided the contents as previously suggested by some of these posts. I want to thank you all because IAM NOW EFFEXOR FREE and I did not have to go to another drug to help withdrawl from this horrible drug.
> > goofy
>
> >goofy
> i'm glad to hear how it worked for you- very encouraging.... i've been on 37.5xr for 5 days now & feel soo good.... a few side effects the first couple of days but not too bad... i'm going to try to 18.75 as you had done today & see what happens... i just want it out of me!
V-
Posted by Seraphim on March 26, 2001, at 9:24:29
In reply to effexor side effects/withdrawl, posted by kckboxgrl on March 25, 2001, at 23:15:03
Lisa,
I too had daily headaches, starting the meds and now getting off. I had occasional migraines previous to the medication, though. My doctor prescribed Midrin, which helped a little. Other migraine meds can raise your blood pressure, which I had started having trouble with. The daily headaches went away after a few weeks. Effexor did help me for a while, although I had to keep upping the dose. If you read these postings, then I hope you will be very careful with Effexor. Good luck.
> Hi everyone! Just starting effexor xr, 37.5 mg. Up to 75 next week. I've read some really horrible things about side effects and withdrawl, has anyone had positive results? Also, since starting the effexor, i've had a headache (of migraine proportions) every morning--does anyone know if this is a side effect?
> Thanks for any help!
> Lisa
Posted by Seraphim on March 26, 2001, at 9:39:27
In reply to ihavefoundsanity, posted by noodlesinstrudle on March 26, 2001, at 1:50:42
I'm coming off 300mg, also. The sweating at cool temps. has been terribly embarassing at times. Sweating through a meeting is the worst. I'm down to 150mg and have been experiencing itchiness, which is starting to drive me crazy. Suddenly I will feel itchy all over, and I'll start looking for ants or mosquitoes, but of course it's just me. Itching and sweating is not doing great things for my career. Did you experience this also? I'm praying it will go away soon. My concentration has been shot. Please update me, I'm hoping for the best for you, and all of us.
> i just stopped effexor after a yr and a half stint with paxil and effexor. my god. i feel like i have lost my mind. its only been three weeks and i am speaking highly about this "comin back to reality", but my iq seems to have been slaughtered. i was premed, but now i have the worst time studying. cant concentrate. but on the flip side i nearly through a party when my bowels were finally consistent for once in a while. aside from that, i get those brain freezes, and i shake out of nowhere. before i quit effexor 300 ml, i would sweat at 72f for no reason. and i thought i was crazy because my doc's (plural) didnt believe me of my symptoms. and then i found this forum. im not alone. its so wonderful to see im not alone. (but all of you i wish never went through this horrible painstaking experience). i cant wait for my brain to be able to do simple division. i predict 10 weeks with added exercise, but who the hell knows.
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