Posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2007, at 9:20:24
In reply to Sigismund's reply to » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on December 6, 2007, at 22:35:12
> Hello Lou
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> >Sigismund,
> You wrote,[...if there is a God who...in response to...I do not...He needs...]
> If you could clarify the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A.Is the subject here the God of the bible?
>
> No Lou, not necessarily.
> The God I am referring to is the God in the first post.
> OTOH I cannot tell you much about this God
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> >B.If so, are you aware that there is a list of things in the bible that condemns someone to the Lake of Fire?
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> Maybe. The Bible is a big book.
> Jesus said the only sin that could not be forgiven was the sin against the Holy Spirit.
> I'm sure you could find all sorts of things in (say) Leviticus.
> While we're on this Lou, are you aware of an injunction in the Bible relating to Gryphons (sp?)?
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> >D. Do you think that the Lake of Fire mentioned in the bibile is the same as Hell?
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> The concept of hell has changed over time. The Greek and Jewish ideas were quite different.
> It seems to have been left to Christians to develop the vengeful version.
> I've always felt it was a metaphor for mental states that got into the wrong hands.
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> OTOH, I can appreciate these lines from Little Gidding.
> They come close to saying that the God of love is also the God who fires up the lake, but I like them anyway.
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> The dove descending breaks the air
> With flame of incandescent terror
> Of which the tongues declare
> The one discharge from sin and error.
> The only hope, or else despair
> Lies in the choice of pyre of pyre—
> To be redeemed from fire by fire.
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> Who then devised the torment? Love.
> Love is the unfamiliar Name
> Behind the hands that wove
> The intolerable shirt of flame
> Which human power cannot remove.
> We only live, only suspire
> Consumed by either fire or fire.
>
> Sigismund,
You wrote,[...said that the only sin that can not be forgiven...].
The bible writes about how sins are forgiven. There are things mentioned that one can do to have sins forgiven. In relation to the topic here concerning suicide in relation to what the bible says, or doesn't say, could you comment on the following? If so, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Can only people that are alive have their sins forgiven?
B. If so, what could they do to have their sins forgiven?
C. After death, could one have their sins forgiven? If so, how could that be done?
D. Is there faith after death?
Lou
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