Posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 5:10:49
In reply to Re: At a dead end- stop meds or switch. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on May 26, 2013, at 22:39:38
> > First, the drugs you are taking are both central nervous system depressants.
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> 1. Effexor is not a CNS depressant. The cautions issued in some literature and package labeling offer nothing more than speculation regarding the interaction of this drug with CNS depressants.
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> "It is not known how venlafaxine will interact with alcohol and other central nervous system (CNS) depressants"
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> http://www.drugs.com/cons/effexor-xr.html
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> 2. Although Trileptal is sometimes listed as a CNS depressant, I believe this become a risk only in overdose. I would need to research this more, though.
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> > When they are combined they magnify the individual effects and in your case could cause death by cardiac or respiratory failure.
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> 3. What are the individual effects of Trileptal and Effexor that when combined yield the sequalae that you claim occur?
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> 4. What citations can you provide that prove these sequalae to be cause and effect? The cautions issued in some literature and package labeling offer nothing more than speculation regarding the interaction between Effexor and CNS depressants.
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> "It is not known how venlafaxine will interact with alcohol and other central nervous system (CNS) depressants"
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> http://www.drugs.com/cons/effexor-xr.html
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> > But stopping drugs like this can also put you in a mind-altered state
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> 5. I imagine that this can happen, but what is the nature of this mind-altered state, and how does it affect mood and behavior? Withdrawal can be very difficult to manage, especially when it produces depression and agitation.
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> > to compel you to want to kill yourself and/or others
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> 6. What studies or anecdotes can you provide that demonstrate these compulsions, and what are the statistics regarding their rates occurrence?
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> > even commit mass-murder.
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> 7. What studies or anecdotes can you provide that demonstrate examples of this phenomenon?
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> 8. If you cannot provide evidence to support your statement, then I would characterize it as being a gross exaggeration. That sort of thing is frowned upon by this website.
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> - ScottFriends,
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Now it is written here by Scott,[...Effexor is not a CNS depressant..].
Here is a site that tells the category of drugs. Notice that Effexor is in the category of a central nervous system depressant. Also is Trileptal. The names as oxcarbazepine and venlafaxine are used in alphabetical order in the following list. But it is much more than that.
You see, the core chemical structures of the drugs show what these drugs are and they are not new drugs but knock-offs of old drugs, chemically altered slightly, and the addiction potential of Effexor is part of all of this here in discussion. My friends, I am prevented by the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung to show you the full facts behind the development of Effexor, and prevented in responding fully to Scott's statements here.
But be it as it may be, let us look at this list.
Lou
http://www.decp.org/experts/DrugChart.pdf
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