Posted by ace on December 11, 2010, at 0:31:18
In reply to Re: Anyone with nardil questions?, posted by lifelover on December 7, 2010, at 2:38:42
> > > Hey ace, watsup
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> > Hello!
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> > ive been reading ur posts for a long time, with great enthusiasm.
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> > very glad to hear.
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> > I too have had great success with nardil, it totally got rid of my depression and sa. However 6 or so months ago i was hospitalized by my parents for "acting crazy."
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> > OK- tell me exactly what you did to have your parents state your "acting crazy". What prompted your parents to hospitalize you?
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> > Truth was I was taking 120mg of Nardil, when I was only perscribed 90mg.
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> > If 90mg was working, i would have stayed at that dose.
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> > I was also under the influence of weed and pcp(I know its bad I shouldnt have been smoking, I was unaware that the weed was laced with pcp until i had my drug test at the hospital.)
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> > I cannot espouse the use of any illicit substance.
> > Generally illicit substances are illicit for a very good reason.
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> > Anyways in the hospital the doctors blamed the nardil and took me off it.
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> > Really?! That sounds convenient! How did the Nardil cause it? they knew about your other drugs too?
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> > My depression and sa have returned as a result.
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> > Absolutely no surprise at all.
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> > > Life has been hell these past 6 months, but with much hard work I have finally got my doctor to perscribe nardil again.
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> > GOOD! (about the part of prescribing Nardil again- not the hell part!)
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> > But she wants to do a low dose i think she is scared to go back to 90mg(hopefully I can convince her to up the dosage).
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> > what sort of dose are we exactly talking about here? Ask her how many px's she has treated with nardil.
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> > > Anyways just thought I shed a little light on situation for u ace, but here are my questions.
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> > > How do i go about convincing my doctor to put me back on 90mg?
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> > I can't offer any advise until you answer my previous and following qstns. Also, are you using any recreational drugs?
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> > > Also I have been taking lithium since I was hospitalized does lithium potentiate nardil in any way? I remember when they weened me down to one nardil pill a day, they put me on lithium and the not long after i toook the lithium with the nardil I felt really good like I had taken 120mg of nardil. Anyways these are my question ace hoping to hear from u soon.
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> > You are currently taking Lithium now? At what dose?
> > It's best I know more details before I reply with any advise.
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> > Cheers
> > Ace
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> Ok ace what I meant by acting crazy was like the police called my parents because the cvs in the town over said I looked suspicious while walking through the store.ANYONE can be deemed to be looking suspicious walking through a store. People in suits and ties, people in casual attire etc etc
But you perhaps may have been wobbling, or looked drugged?Also when I left my parents house that day I accidentally hit the garage door with my car which didnt look rite to my mother.
I do clumsy stuff like this myself all the time!
A lot of people are clumsy in little ways.
But, are you generally a little clumsy? Was it a HUGE shock to you that you did this? Did you think "Something weird is happening to me" when you did this?
My mom also said I was talking to myself but it was when I was asleep.Once again, certain people, physically and mentally well, do this. Actually we all talk to ourselves all the time. Some people talk aloud to themselves (when they know they are not being witnessed by anyone)- that's by no means 'crazy' behavior.
The nardil for watever reason makes me talk in my sleep as observed by my girlfriend.
If the Nardil makes you do this, I still maintain that this, and your aforementioned sx, do not constitute being called 'crazy'. You have showed NO signs of psychosis from all I have read so far.
So I dont think I was crazy.
I agree.
But ya they put me in the hospital for those reasons.
I personally do not think that your hospitalization was justified. It may have done with good intentions, but FROM WHAT I HAVE READ HERE, it was not warranted.
The one thing I encountered at 120 mg's was extreme insomnia. Like I would stay up for days straight and then sleep for like 14 hours.
Your dosage should have been dropped as soon as this was noted.
> Once I was in the hospital I remember being perfectly normal except for one instant where I looked out my window and thought I saw some kids throwing frisbies. I think if anything it was the pcp and the lack of sleep(maybe even the weed) that cause me to hallucinate.THAT, I feel, IS a psychotic symptom (assuming their was no kids throwing frisbies in reality), and I know that PCP and sleep deprivation could cause. And Nardil, at such a high dose, COULD have contributed. I advise you to stay clear of all illicit drugs. And to discipline yourself to a healthy sleep cycle. Even if this necessitates the use of hypnotics (for as short as possible duration) etc
They said I was extremly irritable but in my eyes I remember being so angry with them because they took away my nardil( the only med that has ever helped me) I couldnt help but yell at them. They took this as me being crazy as well. Its just all so frustrating ace.I here you. But you have to see where the doctors are coming from too. Most doctors know VERY little about Nardil. Most stay clear of it, due to the nonsense stated about it being an extremely dangerous drug.
But the situation was made worse when you used these illicit drugs, and the sleep, etc
And to top it off, shouting at doctors usually doesn't sit well with most!
> I am currently not using any drugs.Good. However I would like to see you on Nardil, given its therapeutic response for you.
I am willing to sacrafice it all for nardil and a better life.
That's good.
As far as of why they blamed the nardil, they said it is a bad drug and they dont know why my pdoc put me on it.
'It's a bad drug'??!! That is a very very stupid thing to say. I would have thought your pdoc could overrule them in this case anyhow?
They also said the reason why they rulled out the pcp and weed as the prime culprit was because of the duration of my "craziness"(hallucinations, hostilaty, and irritability) which they said lasted almost a week.
What? because the duration of your 'craziness' lasted almost a week? Explain that to me again. I can't understand that.
They also said they gave me drugs so I wouldnt remember any of it which is why I dont I guess.
What drugs? That's unethical. You have every right to know what drugs (with what s/effects) are being administered to you.
At any point did you speak of thoughts of suicide or homicide or any violence to them?The weird thing is all my memories of me being in the hospital are completly normal, even going into the hospital I felt completely normal. I can be pretty intimidating when I am angry and I do have a very short fuse.
Well you have to learn to control this short fuse. I do too sometimes. It is not good for the greater part.
Does it mean Im insane to the point where I have to be hospitalized.
NO.
Not in my eyes but in their eyes it was different. Again ace its all very frustrating.
Listen, you now have no association with these hospital doctors right?
> As far as the lithium goes they put me on it in the hospital and highly recommended I stay on it.
What was the exact reason they stated for putting you on the L.?
I dont notice any changes positive or negative and have been on it for 6 months.I am currently on 900mg but my doctor wants to go up to 1200mg before I start the nardil.
Which doctor is this? I personally would not agree with that at all.
In the hospital I did notice a very strong synergy between the lithium and the nardil.This can happen, yes. But if Nardil is working well alone, don't add anything. Nothing.
My ocd was gone(the nardil bu itself got rid of it by about 60-70 percent but when combined with lithium it seemed to be completly squashed) , I was extremly creative,confident and talkative, and I had only take one 15mg nardil pill that day(they were weening me off it) I believe the lithium was a time release tablet (maybe 600mg not sure) but ya unfortunatly the next day they took me off the nardil completly.
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> As for the dosage my doctor hasnt mentioned anything yet Im guessing anywhere from 15mg-45mg. Hopefully if I tolerate a lower dosage well shell consider going higher. That is when the depression and sa are in complete remmission.
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> You must understand Ace this is all very hard on me. I have struggled with sa and depression since I was 17(Im 24 now).Yes, I can empathise.
The nardil for me was a life saver.
I know the feeling. MANY people know the feeling.
For the first time in my life I felt connected to myself and the people around me. I could talk to people effortlessly, and spark up conversation with anyone, even strangers. I was truely happy for the first time since my early childhood. Then this bs happened. I honestly think my parents overreacted as they do about everything.And why the nardil was blamed when there was pcp and weed involved I do not know. Have you ever heard of nardil cause this type of thing I experienced?
No. I believe that the primary cause was the pcp and sleep deprivation. Certainly not Nardil.
But Nardil possibly could have compounded the problem caused by the other agents.
But yah I Hope Ive answered your questions enough for you to be able to repond. Thankyou ace for hearing me out.
Please answer my other questions here.
Sorry for any delays.I'll help you best as I can, given the obvious restrictions of the net.
I do believe that you should be on Nardil, but this is quite a confusing situation.
Cheers
Ace
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