Posted by ace on December 7, 2010, at 0:16:47
In reply to Re: Thoughts please.... Nardil + Xanax + more, posted by bleauberry on December 6, 2010, at 19:18:05
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> > I truly want to be self-sufficient. By using Nardil I am using an external agent, and negating my own POSSIBLE capacity to overcome these afflictions. We all know here that their is NO evidence of a biological basis of depression.
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> Ace, I hear ya loud and clear. We all want to overcome.
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> The above statement however, I absolutely do not accept the premise. There is a ton of evidence of biological depression.But their is no conclusive evidence. But please don't get me wrong- I do not think, by any means, that bona-fide psychopathology- i.e. schizophrenia, TRD, etc etc- is due to only external factors. It has to have a biological underpinning in some way, by perforce.
For someone to say to a chronically depressed person i.e. "there is nothing wrong with you, just get yourself together", I feel is not only invalid, but cruel.
It's just that the causes of it are varied,
Agreed.
and it is not within the norm of our medical system to be detectives at finding what is wrong.
Can you elaborate on that statement?
If it is cancer, sure. Depression, no.
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> Sad because it could be something as simple as a methylation issue, or a genetic defect that a couple supplements would bridge, an unsuspected chronic infection, a gut problem, a hormonal problem, a flawed detox problem.
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> I could go on for pages and pages sharing with you treatment resistant folks who completely remitted and got their lives back when the biological problem was fixed.I know. And I have seen this with my eyes. People it catatonic states, get a medication, and bang! They are a new person. I am certain that it does psychopathology does have a biological underpinning. But I believe that very biological underpinning is wholly unique to that individual.
That's why this business with SSRI's- 'you have a serotonin problem like everyone who has depression'- is ludicrous.
Give me 10 px with TRD and I can give you 10 different biological causes. There may be similarities in the pathogenesis, but, their illness cannot have the exact same pathogenesis.
But virtue of the very fact that we are individuals.
The barrier that we all face however is that most of these biological problems are not the ones the psychiatrists or general practitioners vigilantly look for. It takes a creative MD with true passion for winning.Agreed. But their is such pressure, time-limitations involved, and a necessity to conform to current models, that this is hard.
Why are the pharmaceutical companies having ANYTHING to do with a MD's training?It takes out-of-the-ordinary testing. The cure is usually not a psychiatric drug, but something else that would completely take the rest of us by surprise.
Give me an example.
> But the psychological part plays into it as well. Psychological factors do shape brain function.Agreed. They must.
The biological and the psychological can both feed each other for the worse or the better, depending on how we attack the entire thing.
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> I don't know. Unless you are determined to do some deep detective work, spend some money, and try some challenge tests and try stuff just to see, and perhaps some counseling to deal with any psychological issues you are suspect of, it might be better to enjoy what you get with Nardil and go forward with it. To come off it with the plans of taking control yourself requires a well planned comprehensive strategy that covers a lot of bases.
What you say is very true. It's very convoluted and, like you said, it does involve so many different factors.
At the end of the day, I just say to myself "Just keep on keeping on!"Cheers for the post:)
Ace
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