Posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2010, at 15:58:47
In reply to Lou's request-sgtphriedhy, posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2010, at 15:17:56
> > > > If the side effects are the problem, every one of us has side effects for almost every drug we take. Talk about that and stop trying to scare people off nortriptyline by talking about BBB effects that only happen at toxic levels anyway. At least by talking about the real side effects, people can look at them and say they do/don't have them, could/could not tolerate and do/do not believe that they would be worth it to feel better re depression. You have the luxury of using drugs to make you better from time to time when you feel down. There are some of us whose lives are not worth living without these drugs. I know that some of my drugs and especially the combinations of some of my drugs are making me decidedly less healthy but I also know that I either wouldn't be alive or would wish I weren't if I stopped taking them, so I don't have the same luxury you do of only taking what makes me feel "healthy." Just remember that the people that you may be scaring off trying drugs with posts like this may or may not truly *need* that drug for basic quality of life.
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> > >
> > > You know, I really feel that there should be another site on here for posters to talk toxic tantrum crap to each other. You know, my great grandmother didn't have the luxury of medication and she died in a mental institution. My mother never got to know her. It's very sad. I am so thankful for medication to be able to FUNCTION normally in daily life and not live in a vegetated state.
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> > > I have patients that have been on tricyclics since they were on the market that don't have any ADVERSE side effects. I took Imipramine for years before Effexor came on the market.
> > >
> > > And to Inanimate Peanut, kudos to your response, I'm right there with ya.
> >
> > pb206,
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. Ifyou could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. In,[...I have patients..]
> > 1a. Are you someone that has the authority to prescribe drugs by law?
> > 2a. If so, what is yur title?
> > B. In,[...been on tricyclics (for 50 years?)and do not have any ADVERSE side effects..]
> > 1b. redacted by respondent
> > 2b. is there a journal report of these people that you could post a link to here?
> > C.In, [...I took (a tricyclic) for years...]
> > 1c. Assuming that you are not one of the paitients that you refer to as taking these drugs for (50?) years without adverse effects, but you could be a patient of another prescriber of psychotropic drugs, are you included or not included in those that {don't have any AVERSE side effects?
> > D. In,[...before Effexor came on the market...]
> > 1d. If you are substituting Effexor for the tricyclic,what was the primary reason you discontinued the tricyclic, if you did so?
> > 2d. If I find out the reason, if any, then I could ask if you advise others to substitute Effexor for a tricyclic, if you did so. If so, what could be the reason for that advice and if not, what was your reason for the substitution if there was one?
> > E. In,[...for posters to talk xxxx yyyyyy zzzz...]
> > e1. My research shows that about 36,000 people die yearly from psychotropic drugs in one way or another. This statistic is unkniwn to me if it is or is not just in the U.S. If not, then interpolation could mean that about 500,000 people die each year from psychotropic drugs. If that is so, then milllions of people will die fromn psychotropic drugs in the future.
> > e1. Could you post your rationale here for stateing that you want another site for those that you consider to be xxxxx yyyyy zzzz?
> > e2. there is now a warning about the possibility of many psychotropic drugs to induce a mind-alterd state that could cause the one taking the drug to want to kill thenmselves.
> > (redacted by respondent) If one was posting here about that, would that content be (redacted by respondent)
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or paralle thead, I would like for you to look at the video here to discuss facts.
> Lou
> You can view this video by:
> A. bring up google
> B. Key in
> [youtube, fatal overdose with effexor]
> you will see a woman with a red dress onFriends,
There are facts concerning taking psychoactive chemicals. Here is a video that is from a doctor thatI would like for you to view so that we could incorporate any facts into this discussion.
Lou
You could view this video by:
A. bring up google
B. key in:
[youtube, Dr. Gary Kohls, SSRI Drugs are]
if you see a picture of Dr. Kohles, it could be the first one. He will be talking about what could happen to a person that takes those drugs from a doctors perspective.
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:955512
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100720/msgs/955749.html