Posted by JonW on June 11, 2002, at 5:22:48
In reply to Re: In Defense of Science » JonW, posted by omega man on June 10, 2002, at 23:43:54
> wow that rant was really heated !! perhaps you miss a subtext that goes through most of what I write...that is balance..I actually have quite a balanced view...that is psycho-babble medcation
As you know, we are all a bunch of "loonies" here so when we try to discuss something it often comes out as a heated rant and I am no exception, of course :) Some things could have been taken personally, and I really didn't want that but instead was trying to make a point. I apologize if I've offended you.
>is too balanced in the direction of profit driven remedies and so when this site came along i'm so glad because there are so many truths that would'nt be seen because theres no profit it in them...
That's just it, where's the truth in something like www.prozactruth.com? Where are the large multiple controlled studies? I can certainly understand far fewer studies having been conducted on herbs because they cannot be patented, but that doesn't give someone a free license to make claims about their efficacy.
> I really don't get why you, or how you could belive profit is a good indicator of whats right treatments...its an indicator of what makes profit..with psychobiology being such big and vital research ..there is no place for remedies which can't be patented and controlled...
The drugs we use are in use because they are effective and it is not cheap to develop and get these drugs approved. The drug comapnies need an incentive to develop new and better drugs.
> don't you think thats really worrying ?
Only if these natural remedies were more effective than the ones science develops and there is no data that says that is the case, and in fact, data that says the opposite is true.
Absense of evidence is certainly not evidence of absense, but like I said before, that dosn't give someone the license to make claims of clinical efficacy. While a profit driven system may leave herbs untested, a profit driven system has developed some amazing drugs that do some amazing things. If it weren't profit driven, how do you propose we pay for this research? Last I checked, sales for natural remedies weren't too shaby. So maybe if the natural remedy companies weren't so profit driven themselves they would pay for large controlled studies of their herbs for the benefit of the consumer.
If there weren't a patent for new drugs, why develop them? You may dislike a profit driven system, but unless you dislike new drugs, how do you answer this question?
Jon
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